Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

[r@mside]

I know what you are talking about but you are using Daily Telegraph anti EU hyperbole words such as "turmoil " etc. The actual situation was a problem for those member states accessing funds for a period during the financial crisis and dealing with their current deficit funding. So not a fundamental EU or Euro issue.

Maybe give this agenda a rest now that you guys are so happily out of the dastardly EU?

You're coming across as a bit of a whopper pal, you're assumptions are certainly way off the mark.

It was a reference to a period of time using a term most people would recognise as it was widely used to describe it. I'll have to take your word the Telegraph used it too, not being a reader I wouldn't know.

And for your info, I voted remain and am generally supportive of the EU, although not to the point I wouldn't criticise it.

 

[Alcoholic_Author]

If the Ukranian people, as a whole, decide democratically to move further West facing what can be done to stop them?

I think this is a misunderstanding of the actual politics of the region.

If Ukraine was to join the EU and I imagine many people in Ukraine would like to, they would be much more akin to Hungary or Poland, for that reason I actually quite like the idea.

When you understand that right/left is a fake dichotomy, it's much easier to see this stuff, people use pivot points all the time. Trump, Biden, Russia, Israel, China, England to the Scots, England to the Irish, the USA to many countries. By rejecting something, it does not mean you align with what is perceived as its antithesis.

 

[Horatio Pugwash]

I think this is a misunderstanding of the actual politics of the region.

If Ukraine was to join the EU and I imagine many people in Ukraine would like to, they would be much more akin to Hungary or Poland, for that reason I actually quite like the idea.

When you understand that right/left is a fake dichotomy, it's much easier to see this stuff, people use pivot points all the time. Trump, Biden, Russia, Israel, China, England to the Scots, England to the Irish, the USA to many countries. By rejecting something, it does not mean you align with what is perceived as its antithesis.

I'm not that sure it's got to the point where they are "about" to join the EU. I think it's more of a case that they are increasingly looking westward and this is a slap in the face to Russia considering what a substantial element of the former soviet states they had once been.

 

[Alcoholic_Author]

I'm not that sure it's got to the point where they are "about" to join the EU. I think it's more of a case that they are increasingly looking westward and this is a slap in the face to Russia considering what a substantial element of the former soviet states they had once been.

Yes, I suppose my overarching point was that, whilst flirting with the west, Ukraine routinely look over at Russia to see how much it is fvcking with them. Part of the motivating factor here is the tensions between the countries, not purely some organic political alignment.

 

[Ember]

You're coming across as a bit of a whopper pal, you're assumptions are certainly way off the mark.

It was a reference to a period of time using a term most people would recognise as it was widely used to describe it. I'll have to take your word the Telegraph used it too, not being a reader I wouldn't know.

And for your info, I voted remain and am generally supportive of the EU, although not to the point I wouldn't criticise it.

No, you are parotting the English right wing trope about the EU or the Euro being in turmoil or in crisis with every single difficulty it encounters. So clean up your use of language, pal.

 

[Alcoholic_Author]

No, you are parotting the English right wing trope about the EU or the Euro being in turmoil or in crisis with every single difficulty it encounters. So clean up your use of language, pal.

I think you've got the wrong guy, he's a lefty, just one that is not willing to be overtly partisan about the EU. If more people could be like him, who knows, maybe all this culture war shite would actually undo itself?

 

[Ember]

I think you've got the wrong guy, he's a lefty, just one that is not willing to be overtly partisan about the EU. If more people could be like him, who knows, maybe all this culture war shite would actually undo itself?

I'm raising the issue of the constant use of hyperbolic language by British peope in relation to every issue the EU and Euro has ever had. And its doubly annoying if left wing people have lazily bought into this use if language.

I think you'd be annoyed if other fans were constantly referring to Sunderland being in "turmoil" due to problems such as the pitch being in bad shape, or the lifts not working or the Grigg signing not working out etc.

 

[Alcoholic_Author]

I'm raising the issue of the constant use of hyperbolic language by British peope in relation to every issue the EU and Euro has ever had. And its doubly annoying if left wing people have lazily bought into this use if language.

I think you'd be annoyed if other fans were constantly referring to Sunderland being in "turmoil" due to problems such as the pitch being in bad shape, or the lifts not working or the Grigg signing not working out etc.

Here's your problem, you shouldn't view politics as your team.

 

[r@mside]

No, you are parotting the English right wing trope about the EU or the Euro being in turmoil or in crisis with every single difficulty it encounters. So clean up your use of language, pal.

If it's good enough for the BBC, Francois Hollande and Yanis Varoufakis, those bastions of the right, then it's good enough for me.

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Fvcking whopper. Does that work for you?

 

[Alcoholic_Author]

Re authoritarianism, I totally get your point and can't argue that authority, whether it's a simple as following the know-it-all down the pub or CEO of a major corporation shaping government policy, imposes itself on us at all times. I can live with most of it as long as it can be peacefully challenged and succeeded by people with new or different ideas. I was thinking more in terms of the authoritarian government that pulls the rug on democratic institutions and separation of power.

I actually replied to this but it seems to have disappeared.

I think what we are currently living through is authoritarian, it just pretends it isn't, it is authoritarian in that the potential outcomes are already approved, with the exception of Trump and Corbyn, who are both very modern phenomenons and occurred in a time when their guards were down, all options have been through a sort of screening, formed by the institutions of power, you can think and believe certain things and these can deviate somewhat, but there are absolutely off-limits politics and both Trump and Corbyn held some of those opinions and were trashed from pillar to post for it.

Authoritarianism is simply the state enacting power to preserve itself or achieve its goals, the state itself can be very simple or very complex in how it presents itself to its citizens, it can be overtly authoritarian and wear the moniker proudly, or lie to the populous and use coercive and propagandic measures. You decide which of those is better.

 

[Ember]

Here's your problem, you shouldn't view politics as your team.

I'm a citizen of a member state of the EU, so yeah, I do identify with my political "club" ( but not blindly I might add). The same way you identify with the UK, I assume, and wouldn't like to it being referred to as being in turmoil over every problem it has

 

[Alcoholic_Author]

I'm a citizen of a member state of the EU, so yeah, I do identify with my political "club" ( but not blindly I might add). The same way you identify with the UK, I assume, and wouldn't like to it being referred to as being in turmoil over every problem it has

But we are in turmoil, we are an utter madhouse.

 

[Ember]

If it's good enough for the BBC, Francois Hollande and Yanis Varoufakis, those bastions of the right, then it's good enough for me.

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Fvcking whopper. Does that work for you?

Not a Euro crisis and I wouldn't open a link referring to that Greek proper whopper.

But we are in turmoil, we are an utter madhouse.

Oh I think the UK will survive!

 

[tynerider3]

No, you are parotting the English right wing trope about the EU or the Euro being in turmoil or in crisis with every single difficulty it encounters. So clean up your use of language, pal.

Parotting the Left wing trope about the UK or the Pound being in turmoil or in crisis with every single difficulty it encounters.

Standard procedure today, depending on what side your on.

 

[Gelan]

I'm a citizen of a member state of the EU, so yeah, I do identify with my political "club" ( but not blindly I might add). The same way you identify with the UK, I assume, and wouldn't like to it being referred to as being in turmoil over every problem it has

The word identify is maybe a blindfold, and can cloud overall judgement of a miriad of problems. You may think me odd when I say I do not identify with my country, but for me it is but a lump of rock stuated in the North Atlantic. I am not proud or ashamed of this piece of rock, or the principles and morals of it's mongrel population. I am a human animal who lives on a planet with man made borders, that create physical and spiritual division.

If I wish to be part of a club, I'll join one of my choice. If there are only two clubs and they are both shit, I'll make the most of my own one man club, and remain unworried as to what I'm told my group ethics should be.

 

[Alcoholic_Author]

The word identify is maybe a blindfold, and can cloud overall judgement of a miriad of problems. You may think me odd when I say I do not identify with my country, but for me it is but a lump of rock stuated in the North Atlantic. I am not proud or ashamed of this piece of rock, or the principles and morals of it's mongrel population. I am a human animal who lives on a planet with man made borders, that create physical and spiritual division.

If I wish to be part of a club, I'll join one of my choice. If there are only two clubs and they are both shit, I'll make the most of my own one man club, and remain unworried as to what I'm told my group ethics should be.

This is a dreadful way to view the world if you don't mind me saying Gelan, seems like you have simply checked out. Things matter, things matter deeply and are worth fighting and even dying for, we are not just floating matter in the ether, believing that is what drives people into all the bad things we see today. If people continue to think the world is unimportant and random, they will continue to indulge in meaningless endeavours and devalue nature.

 

[Gelan]

This is a dreadful way to view the world if you don't mind me saying Gelan, seems like you have simply checked out. Things matter, things matter deeply and are worth fighting and even dying for, we are not just floating matter in the ether, believing that is what drives people into all the bad things we see today. If people continue to think the world is unimportant and random, they will continue to indulge in meaningless endeavours and devalue nature.

Who do I harm by not seeing differences in a single species. Lot's of advantages.

1. No problem with race.
2. No problem with cultures.
3. No problem with people's politics.
4. No problem with other football clubs.
5. No constant adjustments to fit in.

The less you worry about differences, the more pure the soul, the more healthy the mind and body. I have a patent for a generator, had some help from central Government as in legal assistance, so should I keep it in the family, as in the UK, or should I give it to the world?

I'm not a UK socialist, I am just a socialist

ps. I'm surprised that you don't think I work for the greater good considering what you know about me.

 

[Alcoholic_Author]

Who do I harm by not seeing differences in a single species. Lot's of advantages.

1. No problem with race.
2. No problem with cultures.
3. No problem with people's politics.
4. No problem with other football clubs.
5. No constant adjustments to fit in.

The less you worry about differences, the more pure the soul, the more healthy the mind and body. I have a patent for a generator, had some help from central Government as in legal assistance, so should I keep it in the family, as in the UK, or should I give it to the world?

I'm not a UK socialist, I am just a socialist

Ask yourself, as time has progressed do more and more people adhere to your message here? Is the world getting better? Children want to eat sweets for every meal but we inflict unto them great harm by forcing them to eat their vegetables. The world is not an endless vinegar stroke until death.

 

[Harry Angstrom]

I know what you are talking about but you are using Daily Telegraph anti EU hyperbole words such as "turmoil " etc. The actual situation was a problem for those member states accessing funds for a period during the financial crisis and dealing with their current deficit funding. So not a fundamental EU or Euro issue.

Maybe give this agenda a rest now that you guys are so happily out of the dastardly EU?

It was an existential crisis for the Euro project. It was a fundamental problem that was manufactured by the flaws in the single currency and the draconian measures brought in by the Troika to avert collapse.

 

[Jgrainger]

This seems to have been “imminently” kicking off for a few weeks now…