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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Alcoholic_Author said:
To be honest with you I love that space in between, right in the chaos, If you watch carefully you see Tommy Tards and Labour Libs alike short circuit at meta politics. Both Tory and Labour, almost to a man support Ukraine, like how can none of them see it man.
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I don't like it obv. But, I think the answer is they are more concerned about other things. The UK foreign office is where you send politicians to die - until Boris rose from the ashes.
 

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I see that and raise you:
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I don't have strong feeling either way on Crimea, that's for Russia, Ukraine and the Crimean people to resolve. Much like Israel/Palestine, half the people talking don't know what they're talking about and have been propagandised to believe whatever is in their interests to believe.
 
r@mside said:
I don't like it obv. But, I think the answer is they are more concerned about other things. The UK foreign office is where you send politicians to die - until Boris rose from the ashes.
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That's one of the big problems with modern politics I think, too much small time thinking, I mean of course I would agree that there is a obvious importance in dealing with the hear and now at home, but we should expect more of our politicians, these are supposed to be our most competent.
 
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woodlebert said:
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Something that might be worth considering this time.

Putin said he wanted to retake Crimea prior to the invasion and the Russian media was awash with reports and narratives to justify the proposal.

Putin says he doesn't want to invade Ukraine and there has been relatively little media coverage of it in Russia. That may have changed in the last week or so due the scale of international coverage and whacky analysis, but there doesn't seem to be a propaganda campaign behind the idea of invading.
 
r@mside said:
Something that might be worth considering this time.

Putin said he wanted to retake Crimea prior to the invasion and the Russian media was awash with reports and narratives to justify the proposal.

Putin says he doesn't want to invade Ukraine and there has been relatively little media coverage of it in Russia. That may have changed in the last week or so due the scale of international coverage and whacky analysis, but there doesn't seem to be a propaganda campaign behind the idea of invading.
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To add on here: from the Russian perspective they see the rise in Ukrainian nationalism, which is inherently anti-Russian (rightly or wrongly), backed indirectly by the US, EU, NATO etc and are worried for the millions of ethnic Russians who live in Ukraine. The whole thing stinks of the things we saw in WW2 to be honest, but too few can smell it.
 
Scotty said:
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on-air talent of Russia Today

is he an impartial commentator?
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If you're aware of who he is, I'd say yes, he is basically hired by RT because he is the polar opposite of how people think RT is, imagine if the Guardian hired a right wing writer for balance, or the Daily Mail a leftist, he essentially has that role.

You're free to dismiss him like, each to their own.
 
Alcoholic_Author said:
If you're aware of who he is, I'd say yes, he is basically hired by RT because he is the polar opposite of how people think RT is, imagine if the Guardian hired a right wing writer for balance, or the Daily Mail a leftist, he essentially has that role.

You're free to dismiss him like, each to their own.
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i dont have a clue who he was - so i googled him

if you knew he was an employee of RT why did'nt you mention it, you know, for impartialitys sake
 
Alcoholic_Author said:
To add on here: from the Russian perspective they see the rise in Ukrainian nationalism, which is inherently anti-Russian (rightly or wrongly), backed indirectly by the US, EU, NATO etc and are worried for the millions of ethnic Russians who live in Ukraine. The whole thing stinks of the things we saw in WW2 to be honest, but too few can smell it.
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Yes I agree to a large extent.

The break up of the Soviet Empire created similar issues to the break up of the Ottoman Empire in that a lot of ethnic peoples with a fair degree of autonomy were bundled into 'un-natural' nation states with age-old adversaries and/or elites taking away power they once had.

I think 30% of the Ukraine population is ethnic Russian and speak it as their first language.
 
r@mside said:
Yes I agree to a large extent.

The break up of the Soviet Empire created similar issues to the break up of the Ottoman Empire in that a lot of ethnic peoples with a fair degree of autonomy were bundled into 'un-natural' nation states with age-old adversaries and/or elites taking away power they once had.

I think 30% of the Ukraine population is ethnic Russian and speak it as their first language.
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17%

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r@mside said:
Greece, Portugal, Ireland and Cyprus too. There was huge balance of payments crisis that had the EU in turmoil.
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I know what you are talking about but you are using Daily Telegraph anti EU hyperbole words such as "turmoil " etc. The actual situation was a problem for those member states accessing funds for a period during the financial crisis and dealing with their current deficit funding. So not a fundamental EU or Euro issue.

Maybe give this agenda a rest now that you guys are so happily out of the dastardly EU?
 
r@mside said:
Yes I agree to a large extent.

The break up of the Soviet Empire created similar issues to the break up of the Ottoman Empire in that a lot of ethnic peoples with a fair degree of autonomy were bundled into 'un-natural' nation states with age-old adversaries and/or elites taking away power they once had.

I think 30% of the Ukraine population is ethnic Russian and speak it as their first language.
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You might see it as a bit of a trope, but when the USSR was having wobbles they did help shift ethnic Russians around into its fringes in order to dilute separatist sentiment. I think the Ottomans did this also for different reasons, apparently the average height in the Balkans is quite tall due to tall warrior types being shifted en masse to its outposts.
 
r@mside said:
It's 29% Russian language according to the CIA fact book and where the confusion came from.

It's still a hell of a lot of people given the population.
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99% of folk in Eire speak English as their first language
I doubt that places their loyalty to England before Eire

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If the Ukranian people, as a whole, decide democratically to move further West facing what can be done to stop them?
 
Salem-Hillbilly said:
Just wants to derail another thread to feed his obsession with the EU.
trolling at it's worst.
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And what reference point do you use to define trolling?
Horatio Pugwash said:
99% of folk in Eire speak English as their first language
I doubt that places their loyalty to England before Eire

;)


If the Ukranian people, as a whole, decide democratically to move further West facing what can be done to stop them?
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You cannot bomb peoples will...a few have tried on here, but I miraculously remain injury free :D
 
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