Put a flat earthier into space

Nukehasslefan said:
You're not offering anything against what I'm saying.
You're contradicting yourself.

That depends on what you want to start claiming.
To you I'm an idiot no nothing so anything I say should be taken as knowing nothing, to you and the others who offer that similar process.
I don't even know why you're arguing it and trying to offer your expertise to an idiot for.

I certainly wouldn't if I thought I was arguing with an idiot who knows nothing.
Or is it you're offering stuff you are not expert at but the reading up in it offers you some kind of argument for truth?


Ok then go with that.


You only have to convince yourself of that.

Of course. Like I said before. Anything that goes against mainstream ideals comes into this category.

It does make me smile how all of a sudden everyone comes out as an expert on stuff that's being argued. I have to smile.

No need to correct you on anything. Your mind is made up and I'm happy for you to go with whatever you feel.

And yet it's not happening. The IF is relevant and will always be relevant until the IF becomes a proof.
Up to now we have experts offering their perused ideals and expecting me to accept it based on that.
It's not happening until proof is offered.

Absolutely. And the same goes for what is on offer against me.
The issue is in proving it.

And this becomes and issue for some.

There's a lot of arrogance and it isn't just coming from me.
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How have I contradicted myself?

I think it is fair to say I am an expert in data communications having been a network engineer for 25 years, doing this daily. Why do you seem to doubt this?

The issues of proof relates to your inherent distrust of everything that is not from your own invented fantasy. In amongst the word salad in the above, seems to be a claim that the round trip time on my longer optic fibre runs is far longer, in line with the speed of light. The strength of the light sent is the same.

That is it, it is a fact. Either I’m right, mistaken or telling lies. I have no reason to tell lies, and I’d be really shit at my job if I were mistaken.

Are you in a position of knowledge the challenge any of the above?

Light has speed, that is just a fact.
 


Nukehasslefan said:
I like the forum and the posters.
I don't hate Sunderland football club so I have no agenda.
It's a forum that is much better than many. That's it. It's just forum interaction.

I'm not on here telling anyone how great Newcastle United is. I'll occasionally jump into a Newcastle thread and I also jump into Sunderland threads to actually offer positive input mainly, and rarely negative.

IF I'm not wanted by those who have the ability to shut me down then that's their choice.
If I'm not wanted by random posters who do not have that ability then I seriously suggest they ignore me.
Not really much else I can say to be honest.

That so called vacuum chamber is nonsense.
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Fair answer. It's the most I've ever commented on anything so I suppose I should thank you for the interest (can't believe I just said that!)
 
Nukehasslefan said:
I like the forum and the posters.
I don't hate Sunderland football club so I have no agenda.
It's a forum that is much better than many. That's it. It's just forum interaction.

I'm not on here telling anyone how great Newcastle United is. I'll occasionally jump into a Newcastle thread and I also jump into Sunderland threads to actually offer positive input mainly, and rarely negative.

IF I'm not wanted by those who have the ability to shut me down then that's their choice.
If I'm not wanted by random posters who do not have that ability then I seriously suggest they ignore me.
Not really much else I can say to be honest.

That so called vacuum chamber is nonsense.
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So what is it then if it’s not a vacuum chamber and how do you explain the video🤷‍♂️
 
payne said:
there ya go @DaveH he does in fact think you're lying.
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It is part of the total paranoia. Everyone is part of a conspiracy and tells lies to cover up the fact the earth is not a globe. He has lots of science only he has discovered that supports his musings. Anyone who says something against it, like practical real world examples, must also be in on the lie.

Now network engineers have joined the ever growing list of people in on it.

The quivering paranoia and mistrust is a worrying issue.
 
DaveH said:
How have I contradicted myself?

I think it is fair to say I am an expert in data communications having been a network engineer for 25 years, doing this daily. Why do you seem to doubt this?

The issues of proof relates to your inherent distrust of everything that is not from your own invented fantasy. In amongst the word salad in the above, seems to be a claim that the round trip time on my longer optic fibre runs is far longer, in line with the speed of light. The strength of the light sent is the same.

That is it, it is a fact. Either I’m right, mistaken or telling lies. I have no reason to tell lies, and I’d be really shit at my job if I were mistaken.

Are you in a position of knowledge the challenge any of the above?

Light has speed, that is just a fact.
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This is what I find most staggering and insulting to be honest.

It’s one thing having a “musing” or imagining the world is completely different but to then to say to people they are wrong in their chosen professions and are basically too stupid to know this is where he crosses the line.

My opinion of course and not stated as fact, but it is 🥴
 
TheDataGuy said:
But it would in a vacuum like is seen in the video. Why would the items not float if there is no atmosphere in the box? It is a vacuum so no pressure from air pushing it down. Why does it fall?


Is this a large enough scale? They seem to be moving at the same speed, pity they don't show it at full speed.
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Love his programs
 
DaveH said:
How have I contradicted myself?

I think it is fair to say I am an expert in data communications having been a network engineer for 25 years, doing this daily. Why do you seem to doubt this?

The issues of proof relates to your inherent distrust of everything that is not from your own invented fantasy. In amongst the word salad in the above, seems to be a claim that the round trip time on my longer optic fibre runs is far longer, in line with the speed of light. The strength of the light sent is the same.

That is it, it is a fact. Either I’m right, mistaken or telling lies. I have no reason to tell lies, and I’d be really shit at my job if I were mistaken.

Are you in a position of knowledge the challenge any of the above?

Light has speed, that is just a fact.
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Light has no speed.
There's nothing to show it has any speed.
The energy required to make light as a pressure wave and frequency. It can be accepted as having a speed to target by sheer timing.
Light in itself is nothing more than reflection as is, not as was.

We're offered a 186,000 miles per second light speed.
The Earth is told to us to be just over 24,000 miles in circumference.
We're told that light will take approximately 1 second go around the Earth 8 times.

Now you can go ahead and believe this.
You can also go ahead and believe you see the sun light as it was 8 minutes ago.
You can also believe you see the light from any star you want, from however many hundreds, thousands, millions or so, years ago and that star may not exist but you'd never find out because your life span is at best give or take 100 years.

The list of silliness that's offered to us is off the scale and it seems people just want to believe because the fantasy offers something of mystery.
I agree it does and I have no qualms about people wanting to believe all that.
But to argue for it as a truth requires proof. To simply argue for it as a hmmmm or a maybe...etc, requires nothing more than offerings that also offer alternates.

This is where we're at whether you want to accept that or not.

By all means offer whatever expertise you can muster but I'll only bow to it when you offer proof for what you're arguing for against what my alternates are.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
If you think my debate stance is arrogance then by all means go with that. Just don't forget the stance of the many, including yourself.
I'm more than happy with whatever you throw at me in any term you find may suit you.

My advice would be to look into a mirror as you type in the words.... and think.
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Your problem it seems to me is that you spend your entire time looking in the mirror. When contradicted by for example daveH who claims specific knowledge of fibre optic cables a normal person would consider the possibility they are incorrect and then perhaps do a Web search to check. You on the other hand confer with yourself to confirm your infallibility.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Light has no speed.
There's nothing to show it has any speed.
The energy required to make light as a pressure wave and frequency. It can be accepted as having a speed to target by sheer timing.
Light in itself is nothing more than reflection as is, not as was.

We're offered a 186,000 miles per second light speed.
The Earth is told to us to be just over 24,000 miles in circumference.
We're told that light will take approximately 1 second go around the Earth 8 times.

Now you can go ahead and believe this.
You can also go ahead and believe you see the sun light as it was 8 minutes ago.
You can also believe you see the light from any star you want, from however many hundreds, thousands, millions or so, years ago and that star may not exist but you'd never find out because your life span is at best give or take 100 years.

The list of silliness that's offered to us is off the scale and it seems people just want to believe because the fantasy offers something of mystery.
I agree it does and I have no qualms about people wanting to believe all that.
But to argue for it as a truth requires proof. To simply argue for it as a hmmmm or a maybe...etc, requires nothing more than offerings that also offer alternates.

This is where we're at whether you want to accept that or not.

By all means offer whatever expertise you can muster but I'll only bow to it when you offer proof for what you're arguing for against what my alternates are.
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And you offer a gid big hole in the centre of the earth with magic crystals in it🤷‍♂️

And can offer zero, absolutely nothing to back this up🤔

Have a word with yourself fella
 
DPTT said:
So what is it then if it’s not a vacuum chamber and how do you explain the video🤷‍♂️
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The small chamber is simply a chamber that can hold back pressure externally and ve evacuated of pressure internally via a strong enough pump to allow the expansion of atmosphere within it.

Nothing is sucked out of the container. There's no such thing as such in terms of what is happening with matter.
We attach that word to give us a meaning for what we see/perceive, not for a reality.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Light has no speed.
There's nothing to show it has any speed.
The energy required to make light as a pressure wave and frequency. It can be accepted as having a speed to target by sheer timing.
Light in itself is nothing more than reflection as is, not as was.

We're offered a 186,000 miles per second light speed.
The Earth is told to us to be just over 24,000 miles in circumference.
We're told that light will take approximately 1 second go around the Earth 8 times.

Now you can go ahead and believe this.
You can also go ahead and believe you see the sun light as it was 8 minutes ago.
You can also believe you see the light from any star you want, from however many hundreds, thousands, millions or so, years ago and that star may not exist but you'd never find out because your life span is at best give or take 100 years.

The list of silliness that's offered to us is off the scale and it seems people just want to believe because the fantasy offers something of mystery.
I agree it does and I have no qualms about people wanting to believe all that.
But to argue for it as a truth requires proof. To simply argue for it as a hmmmm or a maybe...etc, requires nothing more than offerings that also offer alternates.

This is where we're at whether you want to accept that or not.

By all means offer whatever expertise you can muster but I'll only bow to it when you offer proof for what you're arguing for against what my alternates are.
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He really doesn't want to actually type the word, but yes, he's calling you a liar Dave.
RollingStone said:
Your problem it seems to me is that you spend your entire time looking in the mirror. When contradicted by for example daveH who claims specific knowledge of fibre optic cables a normal person would consider the possibility they are incorrect and then perhaps do a Web search to check. You on the other hand confer with yourself to confirm your infallibility.
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A normal person would go with the consensus view of the experts in a specific field. Newcastle Fan believes he's smarter than every person to have ever lived so, 'so called experts', as he puts it, are just either actors or not as smart as him.
 
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DaveH said:
It is part of the total paranoia. Everyone is part of a conspiracy and tells lies to cover up the fact the earth is not a globe. He has lots of science only he has discovered that supports his musings. Anyone who says something against it, like practical real world examples, must also be in on the lie.

Now network engineers have joined the ever growing list of people in on it.

The quivering paranoia and mistrust is a worrying issue.
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A simple few questions for you. This applies to all who see it.

Do you trust everything you're told?
Do you trust government in everything?
Do you trust all philosophers?
Do you trust all theories to be correct?

None of these questions need to be answered on here.
Answer them to yourselves, without bias.

If you cannot offer a total adherence to a belief for all then it means you doubt some of it.
If you doubt some of it it stands to reason that there may be much more than that.

Seriously nobody needs to answer to this on here.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
The small chamber is simply a chamber that can hold back pressure externally and ve evacuated of pressure internally via a strong enough pump to allow the expansion of atmosphere within it.

Nothing is sucked out of the container. There's no such thing as such in terms of what is happening with matter.
We attach that word to give us a meaning for what we see/perceive, not for a reality.
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Ok didn’t understand a word of that sorry😳

So what’s happening in the video then🤷‍♂️
 
Nukehasslefan said:
A simple few questions for you. This applies to all who see it.

Do you trust everything you're told?
Do you trust government in everything?
Do you trust all philosophers?
Do you trust all theories to be correct?

None of these questions need to be answered on here.
Answer them to yourselves, without bias.

If you cannot offer a total adherence to a belief for all then it means you doubt some of it.
If you doubt some of it it stands to reason that there may be much more than that.

Seriously nobody needs to answer to this on here.
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This nonsense again. It's some of the most stupid reasoning to ever be presented.
 
DPTT said:
This is what I find most staggering and insulting to be honest.

It’s one thing having a “musing” or imagining the world is completely different but to then to say to people they are wrong in their chosen professions and are basically too stupid to know this is where he crosses the line.
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I'm not saying anyone is wrong in their chosen professions.
Does a person that makes the moulding for a computer know the entire make up of a computer?
What about a person that makes the resistors for the PCB?
And so on.




 
Nukehasslefan said:
A simple few questions for you. This applies to all who see it.

Do you trust everything you're told?
Do you trust government in everything?
Do you trust all philosophers?
Do you trust all theories to be correct?

None of these questions need to be answered on here.
Answer them to yourselves, without bias.

If you cannot offer a total adherence to a belief for all then it means you doubt some of it.
If you doubt some of it it stands to reason that there may be much more than that.

Seriously nobody needs to answer to this on here.
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You don't have to trust everything you're told, I certainly don't but when someone deals with light every day of the week and tells you the energy output is the same then why would he lie about something so basic.
You're an insulting bellend sometimes Nukey
 
RollingStone said:
Your problem it seems to me is that you spend your entire time looking in the mirror.
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Very little. I'm nothing to look at. ;)
RollingStone said:
When contradicted by for example daveH who claims specific knowledge of fibre optic cables a normal person would consider the possibility they are incorrect and then perhaps do a Web search to check.
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Dave can claim what he wishes.
He's offering no proof what what's being argued.

RollingStone said:
You on the other hand confer with yourself to confirm your infallibility.
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I simply ask for proof. If people want to argue anything and everything then fine. If they end up offering no proof then that's all they are and can offer as is.
Let's see what can be offered as proof as time goes on.
 

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