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Is KLD just a farce?

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martin_s_buckley said:
I think if it comes out that the previous owners still have a significant stake in the club then a lot of fans will walk away. The longer this non-disclosure goes on, the more suspicious folk become.

Perhaps a shareholding disclosure will come once the renewal packs are sent out, paid for and your hard-earned money is trousered by the chancers banked.
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I agree, but this becomes more of a focus, if we go on a bad run - while we're winning games, people generally care less about all the other stuff.

However, to win sufficient games to get us promoted, it's obvious we need to bring players in, so over to you KLD.
 
rey mysterio said:
Trying to get promoted on the cheap

Four years now. It does not work
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It worked for every team who got promoted over last four years ..nobody buys their way out of this league as you don't have to! Over the last few years our squad was good enough for promotion and it was the managers and owners who fekked it up.
 
oddbod said:
This x a googol Honesty is always the best policy when it comes to safc fans.At a minimum we need to know who owns what. Then probably a honest discussion about our finances ant the plan moving forward. We get vague talk of sustainability and then nowt further..

We know KLD is a trust fund billionaire and we can guess he cannot drum up funds at a whim without a business plan to the trustees ... The rest is all surrounded in secrecy and that leads to speculation about motives..

My guess and its just a guess is that the target is the money of the premiership and the plan is to get there is slow steps by maximizing recruitment of good young players creating a team to move us forward ..then selling a couple of payers to pay he bills and hoping there are a new batch of players to fill the gaps.

The problem with this model is twofold .. lots of clubs are trying to do this model and there is a finite number of players to recruit on the cheap and it takes money to fund the model.

In truth safc is a business and we have no divine right to know the business plan or their motives....However football ownership is not like any other business they (the owners)have to keep the fans on board or lose revenue......

At the moment I think we are at a tipping point and if the owners fail to get good players in January and waffle about the share ownership we will lose thousands of fans if we don't go up this season .

Time will tell and i cannot wait to see what sort of owner KLD is!
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Yes. If we fail again this season Stewart, Neil, Pritchard and anyone else fancied by a team from the leagues above will be gone. Firmly back to square one, couple that with Del Boy, Rodney and Sartori still owning a significant stake (no evidence forthcoming to suggest it's not actually a controlling stake when combined) then all of the goodwill engendered back in the summer will evaporate. Season Card sales will inevitably take a hit.
 
garyswc said:
Yes. If we fail again this season Stewart, Neil, Pritchard and anyone else fancied by a team from the leagues above will be gone. Firmly back to square one, couple that with Del Boy, Rodney and Sartori still owning a significant stake (no evidence forthcoming to suggest it's not actually a controlling stake when combined) then all of the goodwill engendered back in the summer will evaporate. Season Card sales will inevitably take a hit.
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Your right all those players will be gone if we don't go up and we will have to reset ..but that will be the same for all the teams in the playoff places who didnt go up..your best players get poached and you start again.

The secrecy around the ownership group is bizarre and the rationale for it is bewildering. I dont think its true that KLD doesn't have a controlling stake but we dont know for sure .....but he makeup of the board suggests he has.

If it turns out he hasn't I don't think the fans will forgive him and they will depart in droves .I really cannot think of any explanation for the secrecy other than its second nature for donald to impose nda's on everything he does.

NDA's never last forever so the truth will come out eventually especially if we win promotion as i think that will trigger something from the original kld deal.
 
cowan86 said:
Sounding more suspicious by the moment. Looks like Donald and co still hold the power. We need investment Wigan are going out and buying players. Yes we have gone youth policy and will take a few years to take off but we need to get out of this division. Go and get what the fans deserve, just need maybes 3 quality acquisition’s. Strong dominant defender, ball winning midfielder and forward. Can’t stand another season down in this league.
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Youth policies work in the background, not as the main policy. I have seen this since the days of Alan Brown and yes, we brought in some good kids but it was not until we bought some good proven players that we started to challenge. It took seven years to gain promotion. The other problem is that kids with real talent are snapped up cheaply by bigger clubs and they will go. ayouth policy is a never ending circle and will not get far on the pitch but put money in the owners pockets while the gullible rave on about progress before we start another season in the same division with more super kids having to learn the same hard lessons before rinse and repeat. We are being conned.
 
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oddbod said:
Your right all those players will be gone if we don't go up and we will have to reset ..but that will be the same for all the teams in the playoff places who didnt go up..your best players get poached and you start again.

The secrecy around the ownership group is bizarre and the rationale for it is bewildering. I dont think its true that KLD doesn't have a controlling stake but we dont know for sure .....but he makeup of the board suggests he has.

If it turns out he hasn't I don't think the fans will forgive him and they will depart in droves .I really cannot think of any explanation for the secrecy other than its second nature for donald to impose nda's on everything he does.

NDA's never last forever so the truth will come out eventually especially if we win promotion as i think that will trigger something from the original kld deal.
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Yes, and it’s taking the p*ss out of the fans. If we ever had a team full of local lads they wouldn’t be very good.
 
I tuned into the match yesterday just in time to hear that Ross Stewart had been involved in a clash of heads and was needing treatment. I thought “ Oh No we will be in a right mess if he’s injured”.
We need to get another decent striker now.
 
Eggman said:
We’d be better off with the hardcore being 15,000 - all buying in to what appears to be a successful formula.

The other half piss themselves if we aren’t 3 up at half time.

This problem was created by ‘the yank’ in about 2 seasons of disenchantment but will take a lot longer to put right. Hence my belief, stay up at all costs because it’s better to be 4th bottom than being 4th top in a lower division
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We are in the old Third Division Notth. Not setting thr place on fire either, revise 15,000 down to 5,000. They are taking the water out of you.
 
There was talk from some "ITKs" of new investment coming in around now. And that was part of the reason why the share ownership is such a secret but all would be clarified soon enough. I wonder how that's going.

I'm supportive of the strategy in principle and building a sustainable base. However, the plan is fucked if we don't go up this season. We lose the likes of Neil, Pritchard and Stewart. Big shoes to fill and you inevitably fill them with worse players. Then if you do eventually go up you have to spend big to get those kind of players in.

Or you could supplement the plan with a bit of investment now. If you have the majority of shares and you have some coin.
 
AB22 Easy Tiger said:
GIve over FFS
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Said it back before the RAWA meeting, until the ownership issue is disclosed as to who has what shares and what amount of say, this question will never go away. Just be honest with the supporters! I know that's asking a lot but suspicion that the two chancers are still heavily involved will remain.
 
cowan86 said:
Sounding more suspicious by the moment. Looks like Donald and co still hold the power. We need investment Wigan are going out and buying players. Yes we have gone youth policy and will take a few years to take off but we need to get out of this division. Go and get what the fans deserve, just need maybes 3 quality acquisition’s. Strong dominant defender, ball winning midfielder and forward. Can’t stand another season down in this league.
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I said at the time of the KLD takeover thst this was just a way of taking the limelight away from donald and Co. Still believe that. KLS and Donald are very good mates prior to the takeover and still are.
 
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Steeeeed said:
There was talk from some "ITKs" of new investment coming in around now. And that was part of the reason why the share ownership is such a secret but all would be clarified soon enough. I wonder how that's going.

I'm supportive of the strategy in principle and building a sustainable base. However, the plan is fucked if we don't go up this season. We lose the likes of Neil, Pritchard and Stewart. Big shoes to fill and you inevitably fill them with worse players. Then if you do eventually go up you have to spend big to get those kind of players in.

Or you could supplement the plan with a bit of investment now. If you have the majority of shares and you have some coin.
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The one solace is that they might be worse and cheaper players, but that can sometimes mean a better drilled and harder working team. Money itself rarely works in L1 and L2 as overpaid players just don’t battle as hard as well set up and well drilled players at the smaller clubs.
 
UpTheDuff said:
The one solace is that they might be worse and cheaper players, but that can sometimes mean a better drilled and harder working team. Money itself rarely works in L1 and L2 as overpaid players just don’t battle as hard as well set up and well drilled players at the smaller clubs.
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That's an extremely optimistic way of looking at it!
 
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