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County cricket to blame???

wayne entwhistle no9 said:
The biggest problem with county cricket not just now but over the decades is that it produces cricketers to be effective county cricketers . That means they have to be durable and slog it out for 6 months playing up to 18 championship matches in a summer and one day cricket in top.
As a result young quick bowlers very quickly revert to bowling medium pace and because of the amount of cricket played the "bits and pieces" all rounders who can play all forms of the game are invaluable.
Having said all that the ECB have made a Horlicks of the schedule and the counties have sadly gone along with it all for a few quid in the coffers.
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You’re right and the bottom portion of your post is the reason for the bit you said in the first three quarters of it.

The Championship has largely been pushed into the margins of the season - which means poor pitches, difficult conditions and ultimately substandard cricket.
 

Not sure if it's County Crickets fault but who's the best batsman that England have produced since Joe Root. Ollie Pope?

That's a long time not to produce a single batsman that can be secure in their position in the test team.

Don't think it's just County Crickets fault. Coaching, U19's etc, Lions, Pitches ,White ball focus and the weather probably all play a part.

The ECB need to take a serious look at what's the cause of this. It's not just red ball, the white ball team looks like it's getting older without replacements lining up.
 
I think it’s too easy to blame

Half the system is massively producing white ball players

In this BBL every time I watch English players keep winning man of the match

We shouldn’t lose sight of the fact of that
 
Hettonlass said:
No, Root is too blame, pure and simple
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Embarrassing
harmy said:
Well that’s another embarrassing series defeat from the Aussies.

Time to look at the foundation of the county game.

Playing against 70/80 mph green top bowlers in the county championship is just not good enough preparation to play away series against top class fast bowling. Playing county cricket in April may and September will never get us competing against quick bowling.

Need to forget all this one day stuff 100,t20 stuff and focus on the basic game again.
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If country cricket was used correctly it would be the cause of our successes not to blame
brandon said:
FTECB are to blame.

They make the decisions as to how the county game operates and it is they who have fucked the domestic game. Prioritising white ball cricket and chasing the coin is the reason county red ball cricket has regressed.
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Prioritising white ball cricket is I suppose their perogative (whether we agree or not) ... It's quite another to do so, win the world cup in that format and then relegate it to also ran to then prioritise a format that isn't even played internationally.

You could not make it up and internationally England deserve everything they're getting. The players and the fans deserve better than this embarrassing situation
 
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ManBearPig82 said:
Not sure if it's County Crickets fault but who's the best batsman that England have produced since Joe Root. Ollie Pope?

That's a long time not to produce a single batsman that can be secure in their position in the test team.

Don't think it's just County Crickets fault. Coaching, U19's etc, Lions, Pitches ,White ball focus and the weather probably all play a part.

The ECB need to take a serious look at what's the cause of this. It's not just red ball, the white ball team looks like it's getting older without replacements lining up.
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It’s mental how many of the U19’s don’t end up making it at County level. Our record in the U19WC is rotten too.
 
I’m getting bit annoyed my players from the past who got stuffed my Australia just criticising

They say well we never lost this bad etc

Yeah but you also got absolutely hammered at home. Australia haven’t won in England for over 20 years. Since you lot retired.

They need to make changes to get better but it annoys me that the wins at home don’t seem to count and only away victories now seem to count
 
Well there is plenty of opportunities for English qualified cricketers
The Rat said:
I’m getting bit annoyed my players from the past who got stuffed my Australia just criticising

They say well we never lost this bad etc

Yeah but you also got absolutely hammered at home. Australia haven’t won in England for over 20 years. Since you lot retired.

They need to make changes to get better but it annoys me that the wins at home don’t seem to count and only away victories now seem to count
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Yeah there is one or two ex captains in the media who looked as lost as Root during their captaincy when England where in one of their slumps and getting humped.
 
JL1985 said:
Ponting said it’s the worst international team to ever tour Australia.
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Probably correct.

But I can't be the only person to be disgusted by their perennial lack of class. England came to a country with anally retentive lockdown rules, at the height of a pandemic and had no warm up games. A good team would struggle in those circumstances, let alone a bad one. Tl;dr: shove it up your Gary Pratt with your pisstaking Ponting you bald midget.
The Rat said:
They say well we never lost this bad etc
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Which players are we talking about?

If Gower he can f***ing do one. Responsible for the worst Ashes home defeat in living memory.
 
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smoker said:
Probably correct.

But I can't be the only person to be disgusted by their perennial lack of class. England came to a country with anally retentive lockdown rules, at the height of a pandemic and had no warm up games. A good team would struggle in those circumstances, let alone a bad one. Tl;dr: shove it up your Gary Pratt with your pisstaking Ponting you bald midget.

Which players are we talking about?

If Gower he can f***ing do one. Responsible for the worst Ashes home defeat in living memory.
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I remember Pakistan sent a woeful squad across there a few years ago. Its definitely the worst England team I can remember though.
 
smoker said:
Probably correct.

But I can't be the only person to be disgusted by their perennial lack of class. England came to a country with anally retentive lockdown rules, at the height of a pandemic and had no warm up games. A good team would struggle in those circumstances, let alone a bad one. Tl;dr: shove it up your Gary Pratt with your pisstaking Ponting you bald midget.

Which players are we talking about?

If Gower he can f***ing do one. Responsible for the worst Ashes home defeat in living memory.
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Butcher nasser etc

I like them btw

But they were awful in the ashes

They hide behind McGrath n warne
 
The Rat said:
Butcher nasser etc

I like them btw

But they were awful in the ashes

They hide behind McGrath n warne
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Ignoring the fact this is shoot the messenger fallacy, they were way better than this shower.

Nasser averaged 38.56 against Australia, 41.5 in Australia. Butcher wasn't as good but still averaged 33.00 against Australia, 28.56 in Australia. They were instrumental in winning the fifth test against Waugh's team at SCG in 2003.
 
Is the quality of the championship too diluted?
Would we benefit from having 3 smaller divisions? Having the best players playing against each other more regularly might create better environments for players to play in high pressure games. Would also allow them to play the championship games from June to August.
 
smoker said:
Ignoring the fact this is shoot the messenger fallacy, they were way better than this shower.

Nasser averaged 38.56 against Australia, 41.5 in Australia. Butcher wasn't as good but still averaged 33.00 against Australia, 28.56 in Australia. They were instrumental in winning the fifth test against Waugh's team at SCG in 2003.
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It’s still shite

England haven’t lost a home ashes since I was at primary school

Nasser was my cricket hero growing up

But they have no authority to speak

Root has won 2 ashes series and drew 1

They lost every single one they played

Butcher was extremely average like. Having a better record than Ollie pope doesn’t qualify him IMO
 
The Rat said:
But they have no authority to speak
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Of course they do. Using that same logic, you've never played in an Ashes and therefore can't express an opinion on this series.

I was an adult when I watched these two play and, while never being outstanding players like Cook, Pietersen or Root, they were resilient with good technique.
 
smoker said:
Of course they do. Using that same logic, you've never played in an Ashes and therefore can't express an opinion on this series.

I was an adult when I watched these two play and, while never being outstanding players like Cook, Pietersen or Root, they were resilient with good technique.
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I dont mean that like

I enjoy listening to them usually

but they are being overly critical like thats all I mean

The key point is, England dont lose against Oz at home, not sure why more peole arent saying this
 
Thunder Road said:
Is the quality of the championship too diluted?
Would we benefit from having 3 smaller divisions? Having the best players playing against each other more regularly might create better environments for players to play in high pressure games. Would also allow them to play the championship games from June to August.
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Either that or 3 groups of 6 followed by an 8 team knock-out phase to decide the champion with all games being 5 days.
 
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