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County cricket to blame???

I've mentally thrown the towel in now. I don't see us ever giving 5 day cricket the platform it needs, there is too much money to be made in the shorter versions.
Central contracts was the start of the downfall for me, we can throw whatever we want into domestic county cricket 5 day games but if our test players rarely play it once they reach the national side they will just regress. If they are not up to standard when joining the England team then they just won't get there constantly batting 30 mins for a dozen runs.
 

"Atherton even revealed, on Australia’s Channel Seven Ashes coverage, that Australia’s players who come over to England to play in the County Championship have a WhatsApp group called “Stevo's gonna get ya’”. This is a dig towards the fact that Kent’s Darren Stevens, at 45-years-old and bowling seamers at around 65 miles per hour, remains one of the most potent bowlers in the county game. County Championship pitches, as both England and Australia’s players know, do not reward the kind of pace attack that top order batters will encounter in the international game. And this, for England, is a very real problem."
 
What’s interesting being back in the north east over Christmas is how much green space is no longer available for kids to play sport socially. The school field where I played hours and hours (before club cricket) is now fenced off, as are all others. What’s the actual point of this?
 
Bri said:
"Atherton even revealed, on Australia’s Channel Seven Ashes coverage, that Australia’s players who come over to England to play in the County Championship have a WhatsApp group called “Stevo's gonna get ya’”. This is a dig towards the fact that Kent’s Darren Stevens, at 45-years-old and bowling seamers at around 65 miles per hour, remains one of the most potent bowlers in the county game. County Championship pitches, as both England and Australia’s players know, do not reward the kind of pace attack that top order batters will encounter in the international game. And this, for England, is a very real problem."
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Darren Stevens was mentioned on the big bash this morning when they were talking about the lack of quicks for England. Think County pitches and the CC scheduling has to be changed, can't be many countries where having a battery of 70-80mph bowlers is going to win you many tests
 
leecoo said:
Darren Stevens was mentioned on the big bash this morning when they were talking about the lack of quicks for England. Think County pitches and the CC scheduling has to be changed, can't be many countries where having a battery of 70-80mph bowlers is going to win you many tests
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Won’t win any tests with military medium pacers. Need pace of 90 mph plus. England only have wood and archer. Both are injury prone.
 
There is a wee bit of Schadenfreude when considering that Ricky Ponting lost 3 Ashes series as captain, which also broke Michael Clarke (though it seems quite a few Australians were happy to see that happen to him). Tim Paine and the 2019 touring team can pretend otherwise, but losing the last test to draw the series 2-2 hurt them big-time.

It's been the county game providing the England players who have stopped an Australian Ashes win away in almost a generation. There is at least something that's been done right.
 
4th best test team in world, top of ODI ranks and 2nd in T20s, isnt that right?

not that bad like

we were the worst at the first 2 when I was a kid
 
Worth bringing this thread back up to highlight the fact that on TMS today Michael Vaughan had to grudgingly accept that spending time in County Cricket instead of f*cking off to the IPL had prepared Chris Woakes perfectly to be able to come in and bowl as well as he did, playing a hugely influential role in clawing the Series back in the process.
 
brandon said:
Worth bringing this thread back up to highlight the fact that on TMS today Michael Vaughan had to grudgingly accept that spending time in County Cricket instead of f*cking off to the IPL had prepared Chris Woakes perfectly to be able to come in and bowl as well as he did, playing a hugely influential role in clawing the Series back in the process.
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I don't believe you. There's no way that man admitted he was wrong.
 
brandon said:
It wasn’t really an acknowledgement of being wrong, he didn’t actually say he was wrong…
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He's a really strange character. You can see why he was such a great batsman, absolutely no sense doubt. But you'd have thought he might have a bit of humility after he retired. Seems he's a 35 year old mind stuck in a 50 year old body
 
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