Liverpool Beachball
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Wood did very well there last time getting pace and bounce from the surface which is what causes Hameed problems because of his wrist position
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Wood did very well there last time getting pace and bounce from the surface which is what causes Hameed problems because of his wrist position
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I just don’t see another alternative to burns. Averages are always going to be an issue in england, due to the conditions.
He is a street fighter, who was starting to shape up nicely in Adelaide, before he was dropped.
I would give him the last two tests in Australia and the windies tour at least.
He is a street fighter, who was starting to shape up nicely in Adelaide, before he was dropped.
I would give him the last two tests in Australia and the windies tour at least.
Eggman
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0, 13, 4 and 34 is not shaping up
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Excluding Malan, who at least has been playing cricket, and Root, who is world class, this tour was always going to be tough, without any meaningful preparation.
My personal option is, reassess after the windies tour. We simply can’t play the “poor preparation” card for that tour.
My personal option is, reassess after the windies tour. We simply can’t play the “poor preparation” card for that tour.
Eggman
Striker
Unless we play meaningful warm up games, like used to happen, then it will be the same "poor prep".
The local conditions will be different from Australia, probably no First Class games between the Hobart Test and the first game in early March.
The problem is the whole red ball game needs an overhaul and there is no red ball cricket available until April, so it's a quandry. Do they persist with the failures or look for some fresh blood and persevere through an inevitable learning curve ?
ECB will say that T20/Hundred brings in the money, while still charging upwards of £75 for a day at a sell out Test Match. Plus they earn millions from the TV rights with Sky/BT.
How long will that continue if they don't produce entertaining/winning cricket ?
I honestly don’t think hameed will ever score runs at test level
I’m not saying I have the names of alternatives but I don’t think he has the game or charachter
I actually think it looks a really really poor decision to pick him for this tour
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We have three domestic white ball comps in this country. The Hundred, Royal London and vitality blast.
Obviously the hundred stays, but could we afford to lose one of the other two?
It would create a gap in the calendar, for, uninterrupted county matches (Starting late spring) and scope for for a lions tour in this country.
He isn’t a street fighter
He’s got 6 ducks this year
6!!!
We need to move on and try some others
Don’t just pick top run scorers from CC look at how they score their runs
rentaghost
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aye maybe you are right. He was definitely a terrible selection for Australia with his low hands.
BTW listened to the wisden pod and Butcher, although I didnt agree with a lot of what he said, made a good point about selection in the short to medium term.
The priority is to stop the rot, and start winning again, we've got too many kids in the batting lineup anyway, I dont think its the time to blood more. He was arguing for a few more senior pros, who have had a taste before, and are now more experienced, like Malan.
He referenced people like Robson and Lyth, who could do a job and grind it out for a year. I dont think he was dead set on them 2 before people started going over all their stats, but just people like that.
Thats why Vince keeps getting mentioned on here, nobody thinks he is the answer to our probles, but he is one of the few players in the country who has had a crack before, and hasn't fell off a cliff since he was dropped out. Malan was another.
Thats the route I would go down too personally, those type of cricketers.
Also ones who bring the f***ing bat down straight.
The priority is to stop the rot, and start winning again, we've got too many kids in the batting lineup anyway, I dont think its the time to blood more. He was arguing for a few more senior pros, who have had a taste before, and are now more experienced, like Malan.
He referenced people like Robson and Lyth, who could do a job and grind it out for a year. I dont think he was dead set on them 2 before people started going over all their stats, but just people like that.
Thats why Vince keeps getting mentioned on here, nobody thinks he is the answer to our probles, but he is one of the few players in the country who has had a crack before, and hasn't fell off a cliff since he was dropped out. Malan was another.
Thats the route I would go down too personally, those type of cricketers.
Also ones who bring the f***ing bat down straight.
rentaghost
Striker
I think Robson would be a better shout than Lyth going down that route but as you say there isn’t really a compelling argument for anyone. I think I would like to see Lees have a go.
Aye probs agree there.
Seen a lot of Lees, I like him, but not convinced at a higher level, but he is obviously in their thinking.
When does Bedingham qualify?
He is the one player I've seen over last few years who I thought looked a class above.
wayne entwhistle no9
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Bedingham back in South Africa playing in all forms of domestic cricket. I think that loophole for qualification has been closed and he signed his 3 year deal in the summer as an overseas. A bit like Harmer who had just signed s new deal with Essex.
Liverpool Beachball
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I think Bedingham is still wanting to play for South Africa, he should be in their test side already
I'm not averse to going back to players who have played test cricket before, I think in this country we're often too hesitant to give people a chance to learn from their experiences (look at football managers written off after 1 job). But too many kids? Burns, Malan, Root, Bairstow, Buttler and Stokes all over 30. Pope is 24 in January, Crawley 24 in February, Hameed is 25 in January and Lawrence is 24. That should be a good blend of experienced and players who are really finding their game, it's not like we're picking 18/19 year olds.
smoker
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Aye, too many kids line is nonsense. 8 of our team at the MCG were over 30. For comparison, only 6 of Australia's team were over 30.
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scotch
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I thought the new coach was a given
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Ditch the royal london one day cup. Start the season with the vitality blast, with the hundred running parallel.
Uninterrupted county championship matches from June onwards.
It isn’t ideal from a financial perspective.
Although i’m sure everyone agrees, that something has to give, for the greater good of our test side.
Uninterrupted county championship matches from June onwards.
It isn’t ideal from a financial perspective.
Although i’m sure everyone agrees, that something has to give, for the greater good of our test side.
