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All NUFC and Sportswashing here (threads will be merged)

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MackemX said:
These lists below are based on assumptions. It shows 27 players on the left with the ones highlighted in yellow being those named last night (red text was on bench). On the right are the 15 players without injury/suspension/covid but 3 of those are keepers so leaving only 12 outfield. There's 4 players with UNKNOWN as they could be covid though not all confirmed as this isn't made public. On assumptions, there's now 7 injured at the moment with the 3 injured prior to last night highlighted in orange. Hayden is in blue as he returning from his suspension.

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Howe and others will have known after it was clear ASM & Wilson weren't playing the next game, that they still had 18 players (15 outfield). This was before the questionable Manquillo booking and Fraser & Schar supposed injuries meaning 4 injuries and 1 suspension from 1 game.

The question is, how many players are missing due to covid and just how many are 'genuine' injuries? With the Mags it's possibly 4 with covid and 8 missing due to non covid so clearly a majority down to non covid if assumptions are correct. If the vast majority are down to injuries/suspensions with only a few covid cases then teams should have to bring in some U23's (say half of what they have injured etc).

There is of course more than just the players as there's other staff etc that could have covid. I think this is all considered as it's no good having all players fit if the rest of the club is riddled with covid.
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Good post.
I agree about bringing in academy or u23 players. Unless they have to stay separate from each other for covid protocols. Although if they're testing all the time it shouldn't matter.
If it just a case of trying to turn the situation to out advantage then fair enough I'm sure others are doing similar
 

What A Waster said:
Good post.
I agree about bringing in academy or u23 players. Unless they have to stay separate from each other for covid protocols. Although if they're testing all the time it shouldn't matter.
If it just a case of trying to turn the situation to out advantage then fair enough I'm sure others are doing similar
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Some good results for us tonight, marra.
 
Metro Man said:
Some good results for us tonight, marra.
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Despite being absolutely shite all season and having one win, we aren't miles adrift..possibly any other season we'd be miles off but there's plenty other shite down the bottom which means its not quite a lost cause yet, but i still think we'll go down
 
What A Waster said:
There's dozens of games been called off the last few weeks. If your squad is reduced to below the threshold required to play then the game won't go ahead.
Loads of teams have been unable to get games on
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Aye but how many have been down to to covid and how many down to injuries/suspensions etc? Looking at the list above as it could well be that NUFC have just 4 covid cases but 8 out due to injury/suspensions. Some teams may have more covid cases and some less but the PL should at least state that a team has X amount of covid cases when cancelling a game.

Teams could simply just say players are injured after a game to go under the threshold and there's certainly suspicions about Manquillo getting booked and Fraser and Schar's injuries (assuming they're the players in the list not being able to play).

If the PL had something in place to say that if it's less than so many covid cases then injuries/suspensions should be covered by U23's and by at least 2 players. Regardless I hope Everton also sort themselves out and smash you in the rearranged game 🤪
 
gipetto said:
You don't half defend the mags a lot...
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It's mental, I got a load of abuse on Sunday for saying they aren't already down. Then some of the same people who gave me the abuse are on the Norwich & Watford threads today saying they think the mags will now stay up.

Tonight I'm just pointing out that if our two best players were injured and we had means of postponing games to get them back then I would hope we would do exactly the same.
 
MackemX said:
Aye but how many have been down to to covid and how many down to injuries/suspensions etc? Looking at the list above as it could well be that NUFC have just 4 covid cases but 8 out due to injury/suspensions. Some teams may have more covid cases and some less but the PL should at least state that a team has X amount of covid cases when cancelling a game.

Teams could simply just say players are injured after a game to go under the threshold and there's certainly suspicions about Manquillo getting booked and Fraser and Schar's injuries (assuming they're the players in the list not being able to play).

If the PL had something in place to say that if it's less than so many covid cases then injuries/suspensions should be covered by U23's and by at least 2 players.
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Agree with this.
Pre covid clubs always had an injury crisis. They seem to be able to now have a loop hole to exploit. For argument's sake, they could say 5 covid cases and we'll consider a postponement.
But injuries should just be seen as part and parcel of it.

I'm not sure what the rules would be for a horrific injury crisis. If a club was suddenly without 10 players due to injuries what would happen?
 
burb said:
It's mental, I got a load of abuse on Sunday for saying they aren't already down. Then some of the same people who gave me the abuse are on the Norwich & Watford threads today saying they think the mags will now stay up.

Tonight I'm just pointing out that if our two best players were injured and we had means of postponing games to get them back then I would hope we would do exactly the same.
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I'm trying to ignore the ones saying they're down as if it's already set in stone. This season has a few poor teams at the bottom so the usual 35 points may not even be required. Nobody knows as teams who are shite now could have a good spell and pick up unexpected points plus you've got the unknown January transfer window to come yet. Even come February, nowt may be set in stone as owt could happen over the next month or so and with new players teams could improve form.

This is a copy n paste from another thread I'll hoy in here though you have probably seen it given I quoted you :lol:

I'd like to see all the bets people have put on the mags being relegated given they think it's a sure thing. The mags weren't too bad yesterday, even though Man Utd were poor. Given the mags will no doubt 'strengthen' then to write them off is a strange one and some even mention the 1 win thing. Some completely ignore the 7 extra draws the Mags have compared to Watford and the fact that there's 4 poor teams at the bottom with a poor PPG return.

Out of the 5 bottom teams who seem to be in it, you'd think Leeds 'should' get out of it once they get the likes of Bamford/Phillips back. Norwich though just don't look like getting out of it as they've got 1 point (away to Mags) in their last 6 games. So the way it seems to be heading is that it will be 2 teams from Mags, Watford and Burnley to join Norwich.

It may even be low 30's points that means safety this season in the same way last season was only 29 points. Last season's requirements would have meant 18 points from 19 games required which isn't exactly an impossibly task at all. I think it will be low 30's rather than the usual 35 so possibly no more than 23 points from 19 games required. The numbers below show the PPG over a season at current rate.

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They could spawn their next 3 games (if Everton gets cancelled) and beat Southampton, Watford and Leeds and suddenly be on 20 points from 22 games. It would certainly be harder for the mags with the same players but if they somehow get some decent players in January that graft then it could change. As I said, owt could happen but I hope it still ends up with the Mags going down!
 
MackemX said:
Aye but how many have been down to to covid and how many down to injuries/suspensions etc? Looking at the list above as it could well be that NUFC have just 4 covid cases but 8 out due to injury/suspensions. Some teams may have more covid cases and some less but the PL should at least state that a team has X amount of covid cases when cancelling a game.

Teams could simply just say players are injured after a game to go under the threshold and there's certainly suspicions about Manquillo getting booked and Fraser and Schar's injuries (assuming they're the players in the list not being able to play).

If the PL had something in place to say that if it's less than so many covid cases then injuries/suspensions should be covered by U23's and by at least 2 players. Regardless I hope Everton also sort themselves out and smash you in the rearranged game 🤪
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If a club requests a game to be postponed the PL should release the ineligible players and well as the players eligible whether the application is granted or not.

I'd love to see who Palace said had covid when they played a full strength team 13 hours later.

At the minute the whole thing reflects badly on the PL as they appear to be allowing the inmates rule the asylum on a whim, are creating detrimental rules for young players, and are repeatedly leaving fans out of pocket because clubs don't fancy playing a couple of games in the space of a few days. It's beginning to benefit clubs who don't have vaccinated players.

There was a meeting last week where they decided they wouldn't postpone games then proceeded to postpone half of them anyway.
 
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