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Put a flat earthier into space

Christ, what a load of uninformed drivel. If you could drive round a 24000 mile circumference at 1000 mph, you would neither feel the curve nor the speed. You would feel the acceleration to that speed, but once at cruising speed it would be like cruising at any other speed in a car. We'll ignore the difference in friction noise (and light presumably) from the tyres, since there's no car that can go that fast, making it a disingenuous comparison.
I don't think they got as far as Einstein in his studies.

To be fair the science discovered about the world is far more fascinating and more far fetched than the rubbish he is spouting. :)

I only came to reading about it later in life and the stuff people have worked out over the last few thousand years is astounding.
 

Christ, what a load of uninformed drivel. If you could drive round a 24000 mile circumference at 1000 mph, you would neither feel the curve nor the speed. You would feel the acceleration to that speed, but once at cruising speed it would be like cruising at any other speed in a car. We'll ignore the difference in friction noise (and light presumably) from the tyres, since there's no car that can go that fast, making it a disingenuous comparison.

8 inches per mile squared but then add in the headlight fiction and the augmented trivector resistance and you feel the fact that you're turning due stacked atmosphere coming in through the vents creating a hermetic boron visualisation sensation
 
I don't think they got as far as Einstein in his studies.

To be fair the science discovered about the world is far more fascinating and more far fetched than the rubbish he is spouting. :)

I only came to reading about it later in life and the stuff people have worked out over the last few thousand years is astounding.
I agree, I haven't spent much time reading about it or studying in any great detail, but do have a general interest hence taking the opportunity to watch the night sky when in Brazil. Some of the stuff posted on here from the likes of @DaveH and @The Snockerty Friddle (and others) has been fascinating in gaining a greater understanding of the world, and universe around us. For all the drivel from one poster, it has been brilliantly countered by so many others in a sort of equal and opposing reaction ;)
8 inches per mile squared but then add in the headlight fiction and the augmented trivector resistance and you feel the fact that you're turning due stacked atmosphere coming in through the vents creating a hermetic boron visualisation sensation
How silly of me to forget that.
 
Can you explain that experience mathematically?

Obviously if you can't it mustn't be real
Yes. Force = Mass x Acceleration.

We feel a force acting on us and we know mass is constant, so the speed of rotation must be changing for us to feel it.....oh
What about it?
How do you know?
If you have to stop because you don;t have the capability to go farther then what ?
Do you stop and turn back and say you've been to the pole?
Do you die before you turn back?


What compass flip effect?

Tell me what happens to the compass and do you have any proof of it.

Navigation mechanisms may not stop working but navigating farther may not be feasible for humans.

I wouldn't say it's lame at all.
What are you arguing for?

Just get on the roundabout. No need to calculate anything. Your own senses will tell you whether you're being rotated or not.
Funnily enough our senses do not not tell us anything about being on a spinning globe. Why? Because we don't live on a spinning globe.
You didn't read or forgot my post from yesterday. This is another FFS moment. Start again for the slow minded.

You said think about what a compass does at the poles. I answered then asked you what you think a compass does at the poles. You missed answering that.

My answer was that as you cross the north pole, the compass flips to say north is behind you. Well done, you have just found the pole. Or you could use one of a number of other navigational techniques to verify you are at the pole.

Why do all these successful navigators suddenly have a complete brainfart and get things completely wrong only when going to the poles. You seem to keep skirting around this issue. Either they are badly mistaken or they are telling complete lies and are part of the cover up. Which is it?
I don't expect anything from others.

I've probably spent all my talking life parroting what I've been schooled into.

1000+ mph is hardly the speed of a hour hand on a clock.
You can argue the sheer size of your spinning globe offers 24 hours to do one rotation but that rotation would still have to be at 1000 mph+.

You can't have it both ways in terms of one argument is for a super slow rotation like the clock hand you mention and then an argument for a flattening at the poles due to speed of rotation causing a bulge at the equator.

Think on that.
:D :D :D So you now claim that the earth rotates faster than the hour hand on a clock?

You really don't understand angular velocity at all.

Do people in Sunderland also rotate at 1000mph?
 
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Showing me a circle with a central point and a line external to it with a line running through it does not give you a distance or size to your moon.

It absolutely does, and once you've grasped and acknowledged those mathematical fundamentals, we can move onto step 2.
It's clear you're sidestepping it because your reliance on moon size and distance is solely down to schooling into that frame of mind, not any actual proof by you.

Showing how we work out the moon size and distance relies on acknowledging some mathematical fundamentals.

If I just start throwing equations at you for the moon size you're just going to say "no, this makes no sense, prove it from the absolute ground up, the fundamentals", just like you have for everything else we've shown you, so this time that's where I'm starting.

Once we get past basic geometry we can move onto the next step: trigonometry.
It's not a case of me fooling anyone, it's a case of who is actually being fooled, overall.

Trying to deflect away from being called out on deflection. I'm loving this new meta. What shall we call it, deflectception?

You still can't seem to do it I see.By all means have as many digs at me as you wish but the question is still unanswered.

The only digging going on here is you digging a massive hole for yourself, trying to pretend that the reason we haven't made it to step 2 is anything other than the fact you don't understand step 1.

I'd say a 1000 mile plus spin at the equator as we're told, I'm sure we'd feel some movement. Not to mention 66,000 mph around a supposed central 93 million mile distant sun, as we're also told.

V = R*ω where V = instantaneous tangential velocity (m/s), R = radius of rotation (m), and ω = angular velocity (rad/s).

The tangential velocity at the equator can be calculated using Vequator = Requator*ωEarth.

Substituting the appropriate values for Requator (the Earth’s equatorial radius) and ωEarth (the Earth’s sidereal angular rate, as explained and calculated on the next page) yields: Vequator = (6378.1 km)*(7.292124 x 10 -5 rad/s) = 0.46510 km/s = 1674.4 km/hr (1040.4 mph)

Since the tangential velocity of a point on Earth’s surface is a function of its latitude, the equation V = R*ω can be rewritten as V = R*ω *cosL, where cosL is the cosine of the latitude for a point on Earth. (CosL is 1.0 at the equator and decreases with increasing latitude to a value of 0 at the poles).

A mean solar day is the average time it takes the Sun to make successive apparent passages over a given Earth meridian (longitude) and is the familiar 24-hour period measured by our clocks. However, the Sun appears to move an average of (360° per year / 365.25 days per year) or 0.98563° among the stars during a mean solar day as Earth also revolves around the Sun. Because the Earth's rotation and the Sun's apparent daily motion among the stars are both eastward, the time required for a star to pass over a given meridian as Earth rotates under it can be solved using the following proportion: 24 hrs = one sidereal day 360.98563º 360º Solving for one sidereal day gives (24 * 360º / 360.98563º) = 23 hours 56 minutes and 4 seconds.

Based on the sidereal day, Earth’s true angular velocity, ωEarth, is equal to 15.04108°/mean solar hour (360°/23 hours 56 minutes 4 seconds). ωEarth can also be expressed in radians/second (rad/s) using the relationship ωEarth = 2*π /T, where T is Earth’s sidereal period (23 hours 56 minutes 4 seconds). This method produces a result of ωEarth = 7.292124 x 10 -5 rad/s.

For uniform rotation with constant angular velocity ω, the acceleration is radial and given by 2 at the distance r from the axis. The radius of the earth at the equator is 6.371 million metres, therefore the outward acceleration at the equator is 6371000 x (0.00007292124) x (0.00007292124) = 0.03387783864 m/s squared.

F=MA

So, let's say you weigh 150kg which I think is probably a reasonable estimate.

F= 150 * 0.03387783864

therefore F = 5.0816757969 N

That would be five newtons of force pushing you outwards from the planet because of the spinning.

That's less than half the gravitational force holding you to the earth, which you also can't feel because it's too small a force.

So there we go, with knowledge of maths, we've simultaneously answered the questions "why can't we feel the spin" and "why don't we fly off the earth because of the spin".

I love maths, me.

Argue as long and as much as you feel but your water level will remain just that. Flat and level. Not curved like you try to pretend.

No it doesn't, it remains curved. We showed you the numbers earlier, and you can test it yourself if you obtain sufficiently accurate measuring equipment. It doesn't matter how many times you parrot your lies about it being flat, it still isn't flat.

To have a reaction you must perform an action.
Your vacuum offers no action to gain any reaction because there's no medium to offer it.

Laws of motion don't require a medium. They're called LAWS because they're universal. They would come with a caveat if they were dependent on a medium, but they have no such caveat, because none is necessary.

The side of the spacecraft?
How?

Just like I described with the balloon. That's how.

You know that air that is crushed out of the opening by atmosphere and the actual retraction of the balloon skin? That's what pushes against the air outside of it to propel the balloon.

The pressure of the air inside the balloon is what makes the skin of the balloon stretch, yes, and the pressure of the skin of the balloon against the air inside the balloon is what pushes the air out of the hole, yes, but what actually propels the balloon is that the pressurised air is trying to escape in every direction because it's under that pressure, but the only opening into a lower pressure zone (the outside world) from which it can escape is at one side of the balloon, so the motion of the balloon is equal and opposite to the force of the air being pushed out of the hole. Air goes one way, balloon goes the other. Equal and opposite. It's Newton's third law of motion, which you stated is THE ONLY LAW THAT MATTERS a few pages ago.

The air is only going one way and that's crushed out the nozzle. A game of lat man out stinks, kind of thing.

Yes, you've mastered this observation. Now follow the rest of what's happening logically. I've spelled it out for you above.

No external medium and absolutely no propulsion.

Medium is irrelevant as long as the pressure forcing the air out of the balloon is greater than the pressure exerted back by the medium it is escaping into. As the medium is an almost vacuum, there's next to no pressure trying to force the air back into the balloon, therefore acceleration will occur.

It's an experiment that would actually produce a more spectacular effect in a vacuum than in the regular air. If you ever get the opportunity to try blowing up a balloon in a vacuum and then releasing it, you should try it. It'll blow your mind.


Have a think about that.
You cannot have a craft work against itself without any external medium/atmosphere.

The craft isn't working against itself. The propellant force is acting against the craft. It actually works much better in a vacuum than it does in air, because there's no air pressure causing friction against the motion, and the propellant is escaping into a medium with much lower density. Have a think about that.

It's like saying you can pick yourself up by lifting up your own feet.

It really isn't, you daft sod.
The side of the spacecraft?
How?

If you don't like the balloon analogy because ti's too complicated for you, try this.

Get a cardboard box, draw a line around its base in crayon, then set off some dynamite next to it.


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Same thing.
 
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It absolutely does, and once you've grasped and acknowledged those mathematical fundamentals, we can move onto step 2.


Showing how we work out the moon size and distance relies on acknowledging some mathematical fundamentals.

If I just start throwing equations at you for the moon size you're just going to say "no, this makes no sense, prove it from the absolute ground up, the fundamentals", just like you have for everything else we've shown you, so this time that's where I'm starting.

Once we get past basic geometry we can move onto the next step: trigonometry.


Trying to deflect away from being called out on deflection. I'm loving this new meta. What shall we call it, deflectception?



The only digging going on here is you digging a massive hole for yourself, trying to pretend that the reason we haven't made it to step 2 is anything other than the fact you don't understand step 1.



V = R*ω where V = instantaneous tangential velocity (m/s), R = radius of rotation (m), and ω = angular velocity (rad/s).

The tangential velocity at the equator can be calculated using Vequator = Requator*ωEarth.

Substituting the appropriate values for Requator (the Earth’s equatorial radius) and ωEarth (the Earth’s sidereal angular rate, as explained and calculated on the next page) yields: Vequator = (6378.1 km)*(7.292124 x 10 -5 rad/s) = 0.46510 km/s = 1674.4 km/hr (1040.4 mph)

Since the tangential velocity of a point on Earth’s surface is a function of its latitude, the equation V = R*ω can be rewritten as V = R*ω *cosL, where cosL is the cosine of the latitude for a point on Earth. (CosL is 1.0 at the equator and decreases with increasing latitude to a value of 0 at the poles).

A mean solar day is the average time it takes the Sun to make successive apparent passages over a given Earth meridian (longitude) and is the familiar 24-hour period measured by our clocks. However, the Sun appears to move an average of (360° per year / 365.25 days per year) or 0.98563° among the stars during a mean solar day as Earth also revolves around the Sun. Because the Earth's rotation and the Sun's apparent daily motion among the stars are both eastward, the time required for a star to pass over a given meridian as Earth rotates under it can be solved using the following proportion: 24 hrs = one sidereal day 360.98563º 360º Solving for one sidereal day gives (24 * 360º / 360.98563º) = 23 hours 56 minutes and 4 seconds.

Based on the sidereal day, Earth’s true angular velocity, ωEarth, is equal to 15.04108°/mean solar hour (360°/23 hours 56 minutes 4 seconds). ωEarth can also be expressed in radians/second (rad/s) using the relationship ωEarth = 2*π /T, where T is Earth’s sidereal period (23 hours 56 minutes 4 seconds). This method produces a result of ωEarth = 7.292124 x 10 -5 rad/s.

For uniform rotation with constant angular velocity ω, the acceleration is radial and given by 2 at the distance r from the axis. The radius of the earth at the equator is 6.371 million metres, therefore the outward acceleration at the equator is 6371000 x (0.00007292124) x (0.00007292124) = 0.03387783864 m/s squared.

F=MA

So, let's say you weigh 150kg which I think is probably a reasonable estimate.

F= 150 * 0.03387783864

therefore F = 5.0816757969 N

That would be five newtons of force pushing you outwards from the planet because of the spinning.

That's less than half the gravitational force holding you to the earth, which you also can't feel because it's too small a force.

So there we go, with knowledge of maths, we've simultaneously answered the questions "why can't we feel the spin" and "why don't we fly off the earth because of the spin".

I love maths, me.



No it doesn't, it remains curved. We showed you the numbers earlier, and you can test it yourself if you obtain sufficiently accurate measuring equipment. It doesn't matter how many times you parrot your lies about it being flat, it still isn't flat.



Laws of motion don't require a medium. They're called LAWS because they're universal. They would come with a caveat if they were dependent on a medium, but they have no such caveat, because none is necessary.



Just like I described with the balloon. That's how.



The pressure of the air inside the balloon is what makes the skin of the balloon stretch, yes, and the pressure of the skin of the balloon against the air inside the balloon is what pushes the air out of the hole, yes, but what actually propels the balloon is that the pressurised air is trying to escape in every direction because it's under that pressure, but the only opening into a lower pressure zone (the outside world) from which it can escape is at one side of the balloon, so the motion of the balloon is equal and opposite to the force of the air being pushed out of the hole. Air goes one way, balloon goes the other. Equal and opposite. It's Newton's third law of motion, which you stated is THE ONLY LAW THAT MATTERS a few pages ago.



Yes, you've mastered this observation. Now follow the rest of what's happening logically. I've spelled it out for you above.



Medium is irrelevant as long as the pressure forcing the air out of the balloon is greater than the pressure exerted back by the medium it is escaping into. As the medium is an almost vacuum, there's next to no pressure trying to force the air back into the balloon, therefore acceleration will occur.

It's an experiment that would actually produce a more spectacular effect in a vacuum than in the regular air. If you ever get the opportunity to try blowing up a balloon in a vacuum and then releasing it, you should try it. It'll blow your mind.




The craft isn't working against itself. The propellant force is acting against the craft. It actually works much better in a vacuum than it does in air, because there's no air pressure causing friction against the motion, and the propellant is escaping into a medium with much lower density. Have a think about that.



It really isn't, you daft sod.


If you don't like the balloon analogy because ti's too complicated for you, try this.

Get a cardboard box, draw a line around its base in crayon, then set off some dynamite next to it.


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Same thing.
Posts like this are why I keep coming back to this thread.👍
 
Hopefully someone will be along soon to correct all the inevitable mistakes I made.

Someone who genuinely understands it all, I mean. Not someone like Gravybert Stainstein.
You mean like the bit about the superfluid water level carbon arc killing the globe stone dead? And this also rendering geometry and trigonometry useless, but only when the scale used could prove a so-called globe?
 
I was hoping I could find a "balloon being released in a vacuum" video, and while searching I found this interesting video where a bunch of feathers and a bowling ball were released simultaneously from a great height in the world's biggest vacuum chamber...

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Really interesting to watch.

No friction because of the lack of air, so the feathers and ball fall at exactly the same rate despite the huge difference in weight.

Thus disproving yet another of Sir Isaac Newcybrownston's declarations from about 200 pages ago.
 
If you learn anything from this thread, it is the fact that scale doesn't work at scale. Genius.
I know, it's so difficult to remember which part of key stage 1 physics and maths no longer apply.
Don't forget also that not all right-angles are equal.

That one's still cracking me up just thinking about it.
Like this for example, I'm still trying to get my head around how he reached that conclusion.
 
Don't forget also that not all right-angles are equal.

That one's still cracking me up just thinking about it.
I think that is why I just can't argue, discuss or prove on any level of details. You took it further into the basics than I have ever done and when you get to the level that all right angles are not equal and that means that a tangent to a circle is not perpendicular to the normal, the basics of geometry break down and the only thing left as common ground for discussion of what is essentially a geometric problem, you are left with only the English language. There are times I have severe doubts about that.

The earth spinning faster than the hour hand though. That one cracks me up today. I love the logic. An hour hand turns in a circle every 12 hours but goes round twice a day. The earth spins once per day so does that mean the earth spins at half the speed of an hour hand? Hell no. 1000mph. He admitted a few days ago he has no idea where the figure comes from or why, but whoa, that is fast dude, that must be like a million times faster than an hour hand. I just know it. Who needs maths and logic?
 
@Nukehasslefan - explain this shit if you don't mind. Who are these people 'at the top', 'who control us'. In your own words.......
Who do you think controls us?
A 24000 mile circle if it was a road would look straight so slight would the curve be, you know like your flat/definitely not flat lemon squeezer 🙄🙄
You never came back about the possibility that your wife could be a murderer/prostitute/cia spy maybe?
1000 mph around a circle is just that regardless of whether you want to place a size to anything.
 
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