Lee Johnson - potential replacements

[chriswallace85]

It won't be anyone like McCarthy or Warnock because they want a 'head coach' who can be controlled and play to a certain 'style'

Ideally it would be someone like Poyet or Farke, but the reality is it'll be some useless ex-Birmingham yes man like Garry f***ing Monk.

Shudder.

No offense but you must be off your f***ing head if you think lampard would join us

I think you'd have to be off your fuckin' head to want him to.

 

[Ian_O]

he speaks well its 100% obvious why he got the job

Trouble is, he doesn't have a clue on how to change things when it's not going right. To go more defensive last night against 10 men is the worst decision I've seen in management.

 

[mackemal]

Simon Grayson has been sacked so available without compo

 

[Disco_Pants93]

The fact of the matter is there's nobody realistic in the frame, at all.

 

[chriswallace85]

John Terry - left his role as Villa assistant head coach in July, and Dean Smith gets the sack in November. Coincidence?

Probably more to do with Jack Grealish leaving.

 

[Mickdundee]

Probably more to do with Jack Grealish leaving.

I was joking with that bit, although the more I think about it the more I think John Terry would be a good appointment and potentially have a similar effect on the club, the fans and our profile as Keane did back in the day.

As much as I hated being referred to as “Roy Keane’s Sunderland” I’d happily be “John Terry’s Sunderland” if he got us out of this shithole of a league!

 

[chriswallace85]

Ryan Lowe or Ian Evatt or Paul Warne have far better track records of promotion (all had 2 promotions) and would come here if asked. At least they would get us to the championship!! l j will get us nowhere!

Should have gone for him in the summer.

I was joking with that bit, although the more I think about it the more I think John Terry would be a good appointment and potentially have a similar effect on the club, the fans and our profile as Keane did back in the day.

As much as I hated being referred to as “Roy Keane’s Sunderland” I’d happily be “John Terry’s Sunderland” if he got us out of this shithole of a league!

I hate John Terry.

 

[Mr Redknapp]

Simon Grayson has been sacked so available without compo

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[Fletch]

if we lose this sat hes gone like, the away support will turn , still time to turn it round mind but my concern is that he will always be the mediocre nearly man , we were pre warned before he came here - its promotion or nothing.

 

[chriswallace85]

Someone with a point to prove. We've had a run of players and coaching staff who had less of that edge but had more experience. Not that I'd want him back, but the closest we came to going up was with Jack Ross, who had the hunger, but unfortunately the tactical nous of, well, any one of us on here.

Going back down the decades, Roy Keane, Peter Reid and Denis Smith all had little or no experience, but that single mindedness and attitude, of wanting to show the football world what they can do with a fairly sizeable club on its knees.

Is there anyone out there like that?

I think Jack Ross's downfall was not knowing the English transfer market very well, and so entrusting this side of the job to the bunch of chancers in place at the club.

I think Ross was tactically sound enough, but he was left without a striker in January, and Aiden McGeady became a bit of a monster.

 

[hertsmackem]

Trouble is, he doesn't have a clue on how to change things when it's not going right. To go more defensive last night against 10 men is the worst decision I've seen in management.

Agreed marra was awful, imagine changing the system to accommodate Corey Evans ffs!

He really doesn't though.

There can be no doubt that Speakman et al were taken in by his talk no doubt at all

 

[chriswallace85]

Agreed marra was awful, imagine changing the system to accommodate Corey Evans ffs!

There can be no doubt that Speakman et al were taken in by his talk no doubt at all

Well, it does concern me a little that Speakman does have a propensity for bullshit himself.

 

[doodlebugs]

Please don't blame the players.

i'm not,they've shown,albeit for a short spell that they can play some decent stuff and win games,my eyes are on mr Johnson,buck stops with him in my opinion,oh,and a certain mr Speakman the pair of them should be nowhere near our place,their records tell you that

 

[The Situation]

It's all well and good calling for the current manager's head, but people need to be realistic about who his successor will be.

Given the new regime, it will be a head coach rather than a manager. So any manager who wants full control of transfers that are being suggested is out of the running straight away (e.g. Warnock, McCarthy).

Managers who are a division above and/or who are doing well in their current role are not going to leave (e.g. Critchley, Warne).

We are also not going to pay a significant compensation package (if any), so that rules out managers under longer contracts.

And any out of work manager who will walk into a job a level above won't be coming here either and will be holding on for that (e.g. Farke).

So, in the current managerial climate, we are looking at managers either out of work and desperate to get back in, or managers who would be swallowed up and last 5 minutes here (e.g. Lowe, Evatt) who may not be options anyway as their clubs would be owed compensation which we may not pay.

Here's a selection of managers who fit the above criteria at the present time that I would deem to be realistic:

- Adkins
- Monk
- Woodgate
- Neil Harris

There is a distinct possibility here of making a change for the sake of it and I would urge caution on blowing the whole thing to smithereens to end up with someone like Garry Monk.

People who think we are going to be sacking Johnson and attracting Allardyce or someone like that back to take over, are living in another world.

 

[Ian_O]

Agreed marra was awful, imagine changing the system to accommodate Corey Evans ffs!

There can be no doubt that Speakman et al were taken in by his talk no doubt at all

Seems to me he's trying to be "Mr Nice Guy" and keep everyone happy by giving them playing time. Our "successful" teams of the past have been based on keeping the same 11 players as the basis and not chopping and changing week in week out. I know injuries have been a problem but to make the wholesale changes Johnson makes is just wrong.

 

[The Lads]

Big Sam - break the bank, giving a long term project to get us to the top end of the Championship

 

[Disco_Pants93]

It's all well and good calling for the current manager's head, but people need to be realistic about who his successor will be.

Given the new regime, it will be a head coach rather than a manager. So any manager who wants full control of transfers that are being suggested is out of the running straight away (e.g. Warnock, McCarthy).

Managers who are a division above and/or who are doing well in their current role are not going to leave (e.g. Critchley, Warne).

We are also not going to pay a significant compensation package (if any), so that rules out managers under longer contracts.

And any out of work manager who will walk into a job a level above won't be coming here either and will be holding on for that (e.g. Farke).

So, in the current managerial climate, we are looking at managers either out of work and desperate to get back in, or managers who would be swallowed up and last 5 minutes here (e.g. Lowe, Evatt) who may not be options anyway as their clubs would be owed compensation which we may not pay.

Here's a selection of managers who fit the above criteria at the present time that I would deem to be realistic:

- Adkins
- Monk
- Woodgate
- Neil Harris

There is a distinct possibility here of making a change for the sake of it and I would urge caution on blowing the whole thing to smithereens to end up with someone like Garry Monk.

People who think we are going to be sacking Johnson and attracting Allardyce or someone like that back to take over, are living in another world.

A very sensible post. I wouldn't want a single one of the managers you've listed there.

Big Sam - break the bank, giving a long term project to get us to the top end of the Championship

what got us here in the first place?

 

[kildaremackem]

Big Sam - break the bank, giving a long term project to get us to the top end of the Championship

at his age he isnt going to want long term projects and i doubt even he needs money now..certainly not enough to come to the third diivison.

Big Sam - break the bank, giving a long term project to get us to the top end of the Championship

at his age he isnt going to want long term projects and i doubt even he needs money now..certainly not enough to come to the third diivison.

Big Sam - break the bank, giving a long term project to get us to the top end of the Championship

at his age he isnt going to want long term projects and i doubt even he needs money now..certainly not enough to come to the third diivison.

Big Sam - break the bank, giving a long term project to get us to the top end of the Championship

at his age he isnt going to want long term projects and i doubt even he needs money now..certainly not enough to come to the third diivison.

Big Sam - break the bank, giving a long term project to get us to the top end of the Championship

at his age he isnt going to want long term projects and i doubt even he needs money now..certainly not enough to come to the third diivison.

 

[chriswallace85]

So you don't have a suggestion then? Thought not....happy to whinge your tits off, but have no idea how we improve the situation.

My suggestion is unless an obvious improvement presents itself, then we have to stick with LJ. We've had more managers that 90% of clubs in league football over the past 10 years and rarely get any meaningful success by changing managers. We sack him no, we'll be in the same Groundhog Day position 6 months from now.

And what's the likelihood of that happening? 'Cos its not really how it works is it? The club need to sound somebody out. They need to head hunt. It shouldn't necessarily be a case of who's available, but who can we get? What can we do to get that person that we want here?

Fair enough if you're saying they shouldn't wait to begin that process 'til after peddling Johnson, I get that. We've certainly been in that boat before. But to just blindly stick with a failing manager who's proved nothing in the game other than what a repeat failure he actually is is madness.

I understand why you say it's Groundhog Day - it certainly feels that way with the timing. What annoys me most is that it's exactly what I expected to happen. Personally I think we should have gone back to the drawing board in May and thanked Johnson for his time and effort then. At least we'd be starting from scratch with a blank canvas.


I wholeheartedly accept and respect that the next appointment might again not be the right one. If that proves to be the case, then questions need to be asked of those higher up. But unless we try, we'll never know.

The current regime are yet to actually make a managerial/head coach appointment. Johnson arrived here under Donald's Stewardship. Now how much say the then prospective new owners had in that appointment I'm not sure, but ya'd like to think in the here and now that they'd make a better go of it than Jim Rodwell & .Co when appointing Parkinson.

Now we could wait 'til summer. And if as will likely be the case Johnson has utterly failed by then, we can start again. I dunno if you'd be up for that or not. OR, we could move now, and at least give ourselves a chance of giving this squad the kick up the arse it needs to get back to winning football matches and actually putting a promotion push back together.

Me or you listing candidate is a futile exercise. We can name a hundred between us and it would likely be somebody else. It's rare in football that the obvious choice gets the job. There's too much manoeuvring by all parties concerned to just say, "he's the man, appoint him". What's important is that the powers that be get their finger out, and at least take a look. Sitting back and hoping things will get better is a waste of everybody's time.

 

[The Situation]

Big Sam - break the bank, giving a long term project to get us to the top end of the Championship

He will walk into another Championship job if not Premier League if he holds out.

As well as that, in any case he will want full control of transfers which is not going to happen under the current model.

I don't want to come across as an arse, but he's about as realistic as suggesting getting Zidane.