Put a flat earthier into space

[DaveH]

I know the con of it. It's nothing like what's been said.
We are told to believe atmosphere spins with Earth solid and water against a space vacuum.
If people believe atmosphere can stay in unison with a so called spinning globe and yet still have winds going in all directions and also pushing aircraft along at the same rate, then fine.
As for it acting like you are inside a plane or train. No it isn't like that.
External to a plane or train is not a so called space vacuum, so the issue still stands.

How?

The fact you say, apparent should tell you a lot.

If you go on about a train moving and a person jumping up lands down then it shouldn't matter if the train accelerates but it clearly does.

There is a really good answer in the second post here

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Though I should add, this "but 1000mph" is a lack of understanding of angular velocity which needs to be considered when spinning.

 

[payne]

I can't accept that explanation as musings weren't mentioned.

 

[DPTT]

@Nukehasslefan
Can you explain why we have never detected an energy source emitting from your hole in the ground

 

[payne]

@Nukehasslefan
Can you explain why we have never detected an energy source emitting from your hole in the ground

Nasa defence force blocking the radar.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

@Nukehasslefan
Can you explain why we have never detected an energy source emitting from your hole in the ground

I know how it works now......

"Maybe they did"

fyl2u said:
You're trying to suggest water couldn't be calm on a spinning globe?
Nukehasslefan said: And you think it can be for whatever reasons. Gravity isn't it?
Any idea what it is?

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Watching someone try to explain gravity to you could be funnier than waiting for the sketch turned out to be.
I reckon we're due a little recap...

Some of your claims, which you don’t state as fact but you definitely do state as fact.


Earth is not a globe.

It’s not flat, but is flat.

Earth does not rotate.

Gravity does not exist.

Sun and Moon and stars are just reflections.

The projector which causes them is naturally occurring.

South Pole doesn’t exist.

All our solar heat comes from a place no-one can ever go, because it’s so cold.

A compass will point South if you walk away from North.

Water does not curve and your bath is a big enough sample to prove this.

Star maps are not maps of the stars.

Anyone who believes in a global Earth is simply schooled into it is not thinking for themselves.

Earths surface is not curved but 8 inches per mile squared perfectly describes the curve.

You understand stuff.

You do experiments.

The Earth, which is not a globe and doesn’t revolve around the sun, wobbles on its axis as it revolves around the sun.

Space does not exist.

No-one has shown you any evidence of a globe.

Light and Sound are one and the same thing, but sound travels while light doesn’t.

Energy equals vibration/friction and pressure and frequency.

Scale only works on certain scales and fails at large or small scales.

Horizon does not exist.

You cannot see the horizon in level sight.

Layers of differing air density get to decide which way is up and down.

Geometry only worked until you realised that it literally means the measuring of the Earth.

Star maps were fine until you realised you couldn’t fit them on your dome.

Planetary orbits are optical illusions on the dome.

Something about super-carbo-arcs and crystals.

There is no proof for the globe model which has lots of extra bits added on in order to make it work, whereas your alternative only requires an air pressure powered pseudo-gravity, a naturally occurring projector which causes at least six entirely different types/patterns of reflections which all mysteriously occur in thoroughly predictable patterns, which also for some inexplicable reason manages to project these reflections exactly as they would appear if the Earth was actually a globe, a non-existent dome made of frozen hydrogen or helium or both, an entirely new theory of electro-magnetic theory, new geometry, billions of people over millennia who all know about the lie but don’t speak up, something to explain seasons, something to explain day and night, something to explain eclipses, something to explain the phases of the moon, something to explain the northern (and southern) lights, something to explain satellites, the tides, precession, vast areas of unexplored Earth and a monumental dose of stupid, yet offers zero proof of any of them.



Did I miss anything?

 

[What A Waster]

I know how it works now......

"Maybe they did"

Watching someone try to explain gravity to you could be funnier than waiting for the sketch turned out to be.
I reckon we're due a little recap...

Some of your claims, which you don’t state as fact but you definitely do state as fact.


Earth is not a globe.

It’s not flat, but is flat.

Earth does not rotate.

Gravity does not exist.

Sun and Moon and stars are just reflections.

The projector which causes them is naturally occurring.

South Pole doesn’t exist.

All our solar heat comes from a place no-one can ever go, because it’s so cold.

A compass will point South if you walk away from North.

Water does not curve and your bath is a big enough sample to prove this.

Star maps are not maps of the stars.

Anyone who believes in a global Earth is simply schooled into it is not thinking for themselves.

Earths surface is not curved but 8 inches per mile squared perfectly describes the curve.

You understand stuff.

You do experiments.

The Earth, which is not a globe and doesn’t revolve around the sun, wobbles on its axis as it revolves around the sun.

Space does not exist.

No-one has shown you any evidence of a globe.

Light and Sound are one and the same thing, but sound travels while light doesn’t.

Energy equals vibration/friction and pressure and frequency.

Scale only works on certain scales and fails at large or small scales.

Horizon does not exist.

You cannot see the horizon in level sight.

Layers of differing air density get to decide which way is up and down.

Geometry only worked until you realised that it literally means the measuring of the Earth.

Star maps were fine until you realised you couldn’t fit them on your dome.

Planetary orbits are optical illusions on the dome.

Something about super-carbo-arcs and crystals.

There is no proof for the globe model which has lots of extra bits added on in order to make it work, whereas your alternative only requires an air pressure powered pseudo-gravity, a naturally occurring projector which causes at least six entirely different types/patterns of reflections which all mysteriously occur in thoroughly predictable patterns, which also for some inexplicable reason manages to project these reflections exactly as they would appear if the Earth was actually a globe, a non-existent dome made of frozen hydrogen or helium or both, an entirely new theory of electro-magnetic theory, new geometry, billions of people over millennia who all know about the lie but don’t speak up, something to explain seasons, something to explain day and night, something to explain eclipses, something to explain the phases of the moon, something to explain the northern (and southern) lights, something to explain satellites, the tides, precession, vast areas of unexplored Earth and a monumental dose of stupid, yet offers zero proof of any of them.



Did I miss anything?

Tides are caused by pressure that you can't detect because it's at sea and is different to the pressure which causes wind

 

[DPTT]

I know how it works now......

"Maybe they did"

Watching someone try to explain gravity to you could be funnier than waiting for the sketch turned out to be.
I reckon we're due a little recap...

Some of your claims, which you don’t state as fact but you definitely do state as fact.


Earth is not a globe.

It’s not flat, but is flat.

Earth does not rotate.

Gravity does not exist.

Sun and Moon and stars are just reflections.

The projector which causes them is naturally occurring.

South Pole doesn’t exist.

All our solar heat comes from a place no-one can ever go, because it’s so cold.

A compass will point South if you walk away from North.

Water does not curve and your bath is a big enough sample to prove this.

Star maps are not maps of the stars.

Anyone who believes in a global Earth is simply schooled into it is not thinking for themselves.

Earths surface is not curved but 8 inches per mile squared perfectly describes the curve.

You understand stuff.

You do experiments.

The Earth, which is not a globe and doesn’t revolve around the sun, wobbles on its axis as it revolves around the sun.

Space does not exist.

No-one has shown you any evidence of a globe.

Light and Sound are one and the same thing, but sound travels while light doesn’t.

Energy equals vibration/friction and pressure and frequency.

Scale only works on certain scales and fails at large or small scales.

Horizon does not exist.

You cannot see the horizon in level sight.

Layers of differing air density get to decide which way is up and down.

Geometry only worked until you realised that it literally means the measuring of the Earth.

Star maps were fine until you realised you couldn’t fit them on your dome.

Planetary orbits are optical illusions on the dome.

Something about super-carbo-arcs and crystals.

There is no proof for the globe model which has lots of extra bits added on in order to make it work, whereas your alternative only requires an air pressure powered pseudo-gravity, a naturally occurring projector which causes at least six entirely different types/patterns of reflections which all mysteriously occur in thoroughly predictable patterns, which also for some inexplicable reason manages to project these reflections exactly as they would appear if the Earth was actually a globe, a non-existent dome made of frozen hydrogen or helium or both, an entirely new theory of electro-magnetic theory, new geometry, billions of people over millennia who all know about the lie but don’t speak up, something to explain seasons, something to explain day and night, something to explain eclipses, something to explain the phases of the moon, something to explain the northern (and southern) lights, something to explain satellites, the tides, precession, vast areas of unexplored Earth and a monumental dose of stupid, yet offers zero proof of any of them.



Did I miss anything?

Tremendous

 

[payne]

I know how it works now......

"Maybe they did"

Watching someone try to explain gravity to you could be funnier than waiting for the sketch turned out to be.
I reckon we're due a little recap...

Some of your claims, which you don’t state as fact but you definitely do state as fact.


Earth is not a globe.

It’s not flat, but is flat.

Earth does not rotate.

Gravity does not exist.

Sun and Moon and stars are just reflections.

The projector which causes them is naturally occurring.

South Pole doesn’t exist.

All our solar heat comes from a place no-one can ever go, because it’s so cold.

A compass will point South if you walk away from North.

Water does not curve and your bath is a big enough sample to prove this.

Star maps are not maps of the stars.

Anyone who believes in a global Earth is simply schooled into it is not thinking for themselves.

Earths surface is not curved but 8 inches per mile squared perfectly describes the curve.

You understand stuff.

You do experiments.

The Earth, which is not a globe and doesn’t revolve around the sun, wobbles on its axis as it revolves around the sun.

Space does not exist.

No-one has shown you any evidence of a globe.

Light and Sound are one and the same thing, but sound travels while light doesn’t.

Energy equals vibration/friction and pressure and frequency.

Scale only works on certain scales and fails at large or small scales.

Horizon does not exist.

You cannot see the horizon in level sight.

Layers of differing air density get to decide which way is up and down.

Geometry only worked until you realised that it literally means the measuring of the Earth.

Star maps were fine until you realised you couldn’t fit them on your dome.

Planetary orbits are optical illusions on the dome.

Something about super-carbo-arcs and crystals.

There is no proof for the globe model which has lots of extra bits added on in order to make it work, whereas your alternative only requires an air pressure powered pseudo-gravity, a naturally occurring projector which causes at least six entirely different types/patterns of reflections which all mysteriously occur in thoroughly predictable patterns, which also for some inexplicable reason manages to project these reflections exactly as they would appear if the Earth was actually a globe, a non-existent dome made of frozen hydrogen or helium or both, an entirely new theory of electro-magnetic theory, new geometry, billions of people over millennia who all know about the lie but don’t speak up, something to explain seasons, something to explain day and night, something to explain eclipses, something to explain the phases of the moon, something to explain the northern (and southern) lights, something to explain satellites, the tides, precession, vast areas of unexplored Earth and a monumental dose of stupid, yet offers zero proof of any of them.



Did I miss anything?

All sounds extremely logical to me.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

All sounds extremely logical to me.

You can already see the reply to that list with the words "correct, incorrect" or "I didn't say that" inserted after each line.

 

[payne]

You can already see the reply to that list with the words "correct, incorrect" or "I didn't say that" inserted after each line.

he only deals in simple detail and simple sentences. if it can't be explained in less than 10 words it's null and void and can't be accepted as must be from a text book. We all know texts books aren't allowed to inform or describe anything. Making stuff up in ones head with a dose of muse is the only rational way of explaining.

You can already see the reply to that list with the words "correct, incorrect" or "I didn't say that" inserted after each line.

surely he can't reply with correct or incorrect as that would be stating facts
some nice viewing on the dome this time of year

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[legend7]

That's the beauty of it. Once you understand. You see, you know in your own mind the points of light are moving. You know in your own mind that the Earth is not moving under your feet.
Your logic tells you everything about what Earth is not but you are told to throw your logic in the bin.

So if the stars are reflections on the dome from the central crystals then how come on say really cloudy nights we don't see them on the clouds?
A bit like the bat signal in batman to keep it simple for you.

 

[Kevj]

The Earth is supposedly spinning at over 1000 mph.
If you were to jump up for just one second and then land, theoretically the Earth would spin from under you would land over 1000 feet away from your jump.
If you hovered in a helicopter for 1 minute you would be around 16 miles away from your initial hover point. We know this doesn't happen, obviously and for good reason. The Earth is not a spinning globe.

Any idea why it shouldn't?

Not sure if this has been answered.
The air (atmosphere) moves with the spin of the globe. Otherwise, as per how you imply things to be: the wind would be at over 1000mph constantly.

There’s also inertia, but I don’t want to get too heavy too quickly.

 

[payne]

dome explanation 101

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[ajryan86]

he only deals in simple detail and simple sentences. if it can't be explained in less than 10 words it's null and void and can't be accepted as must be from a text book. We all know texts books aren't allowed to inform or describe anything. Making stuff up in ones head with a dose of muse is the only rational way of explaining.

surely he can't reply with correct or incorrect as that would be stating facts
some nice viewing on the dome this time of year

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The projector bulb needs a clean. That's the dust on the lense that shines up onto the dome.

 

[What A Waster]

So if the stars are reflections on the dome from the central crystals then how come on say really cloudy nights we don't see them on the clouds?
A bit like the bat signal in batman to keep it simple for you.

Not enough reflective superfluid

 

[legend7]

Not enough reflective superfluid

Ah yeah of course, silly me, cheers man

 

[chelt_mackem]

This thread has been great fun to catch up on recently. It slightly worries me that I'm now the same age Nukey was when he became a flattard. Luckily, having seen the Southern Cross rotate clockwise around the celestial south pole while in Rio a few years ago after seeing Ursa Major rotate anti-clockwise round the celestial north pole the rest of my life, I'm content with the level of proof on offer to the layman of the shape of our planet.

Keep up the debunking lads, it's great to read.

 

[fyl2u]

To be fair it's pretty clear and in your face. The clue is water/globe/level? Doesn't work for obvious reasons.

It's pretty clear and in your face that we live on a spinning globe.

It's also pretty clear and in your face that at some point you were so angry at the world for being born without the mental capacity to understand science, you've invented a load of bollocks to make yourself feel better.

And level will show water to be anything other than convex within a container. Nothing will show a large body of water clinging to a globe and also managing to have tides, ripples and so on.

No, water level won't show that at all, if you use accurate enough equipment to measure it. You refuse to do so, so you're working from incomplete information.

I have no need to offer you anything. You can stick to whatever you choose. I have nothing to prove to you. You either take the time to question and prove to yourself or you don't. That goes for everyone.

You absolutely do have to prove it to us if you're claiming we're wrong.

We all have taken the time to question it and have proven it all with real science. You haven't.

You choose a spinning globe and all of what goes with it, unquestionably it seems. Fair enough, I have no issue with that, I just don't follow it and think it's utter nonsense.

We don't "choose" it at all, we follow the results of the science, whereas you've misunderstood almost everything you've ever heard about science and maths and come up some wacky ideas because of that lack of knowledge. If it wasn't so tragic it would be funny.

Water level is one absolute proof.

Water level is one absolute proof that we're on a globe if you do the experiment correctly.

And you think it can be for whatever reasons. Gravity isn't it?
Any idea what it is?

Yes. I've tried to explain it to you already but you don't get it. Or you just refuse to get it because it goes against the narrative you've invented and explains why water can cling to a globe.

Reference frames? Jumping up and down physically above a solid is not offering any reference frames, so what are you trying to say?

I'm not surprised you don't understand what a reference frame is. After all you can't get your head around tangents and normals to circles.

Same as above.

Same as above.

Once again, same as above.

Once again, same as above.

Bless me all you want but you're not explaining anything.

I am, but you're not clever enough to understand it. You'll have to just take my word for it. Or don't and remain ignorant and continue to look like a fool to everyone you ever talk to about science.

Really?

Yes, really.

Where did you learn all your stuff?

Four and a half decades of questioning the established narrative, along with personal research and experiments.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

If you stand still anywhere with no forces acting on you, you don't move and remain standing still.

If someone comes up to you and pushes you hard, you move and may even fall over.

How is this possible? Surely the laws that govern you standing still should be true regardless of whether someone pushes you hard or not?

That's the same logic you're applying to the train acceleration analogy. Can you see how ridiculous that is?

I can see how ridiculous the train argument is when putting it up against a global Earth spin.

There is a really good answer in the second post here

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Though I should add, this "but 1000mph" is a lack of understanding of angular velocity which needs to be considered when spinning.

How about you explain it nice and simple.
How air manages to spin in exact unison with a solid as we are told is happening on Earth.

@Nukehasslefan
Can you explain why we have never detected an energy source emitting from your hole in the ground

How do you know you haven't?

Watching someone try to explain gravity to you could be funnier than waiting for the sketch turned out to be.

Any chance you can explain it?

I reckon we're due a little recap...

Some of your claims, which you don’t state as fact but you definitely do state as fact.


Earth is not a globe.

Not one we walk upon and especially not spinning. IMO

It’s not flat, but is flat.

It's not flat all over but water is. IMO

Earth does not rotate.

I don't believe it does.

Gravity does not exist.

I don't believe so.

Sun and Moon and stars are just reflections.

Potentially, yes.

The projector which causes them is naturally occurring.

Potentially, yes.

South Pole doesn’t exist.

I don't believe so.

All our solar heat comes from a place no-one can ever go, because it’s so cold.

Potentially, yes.

A compass will point South if you walk away from North.

Yes.

Water does not curve and your bath is a big enough sample to prove this.

It's one proof.

Star maps are not maps of the stars.

Points of light.

Anyone who believes in a global Earth is simply schooled into it is not thinking for themselves.

Yep, including myself at one time.

Earths surface is not curved but 8 inches per mile squared perfectly describes the curve.

8 inches per mile squared is a close approximation for the size given for a global Earth.

You understand stuff.

That depends on what that stuff is.

You do experiments.

Yep.

The Earth, which is not a globe and doesn’t revolve around the sun

I don't believe so, no.

, wobbles on its axis as it revolves around the sun.

It would have to going by the fictional model displayed to us.

Space does not exist.

Not in the way we're told.

No-one has shown you any evidence of a globe.

Plenty of circumstantial evidence but no proof of facts.

Light and Sound are one and the same thing, but sound travels while light doesn’t.

Light is the result of friction. Friction is the cause of sound. We see the light and hear the sound.
The light to our eyes is instant. The sound to our ears is dependent on waves reaching them.

Energy equals vibration/friction and pressure and frequency.

Yep.

Scale only works on certain scales and fails at large or small scales.

Scale is scale.

Horizon does not exist.

A horizon line does not exist. It's theoretical.

You cannot see the horizon in level sight.

You see a theoretical horizon line due to eye level sight.

Layers of differing air density get to decide which way is up and down.

Natural stacking of dense to less dense molecules/matter.

Geometry only worked until you realised that it literally means the measuring of the Earth.

Geometry is fine for reality.

Star maps were fine until you realised you couldn’t fit them on your dome.

There are no stars.

Planetary orbits are optical illusions on the dome.

There are no planets.

Something about super-carbo-arcs and crystals.

Potentially, yes.

There is no proof for the globe model which has lots of extra bits added on in order to make it work

It can't work. It's fiction, IMO.

, whereas your alternative only requires an air pressure powered pseudo-gravity, a naturally occurring projector which causes at least six entirely different types/patterns of reflections which all mysteriously occur in thoroughly predictable patterns, which also for some inexplicable reason manages to project these reflections exactly as they would appear if the Earth was actually a globe, a non-existent dome made of frozen hydrogen or helium or both, an entirely new theory of electro-magnetic theory, new geometry, billions of people over millennia who all know about the lie but don’t speak up, something to explain seasons, something to explain day and night, something to explain eclipses, something to explain the phases of the moon, something to explain the northern (and southern) lights, something to explain satellites, the tides, precession, vast areas of unexplored Earth and a monumental dose of stupid, yet offers zero proof of any of them.



Did I miss anything?

Correct there is no proof of what I say about my Earth potential and I offer none.
You don't even need to give it one second of your thought.

So if the stars are reflections on the dome from the central crystals then how come on say really cloudy nights we don't see them on the clouds?
A bit like the bat signal in batman to keep it simple for you.

They come from the centre and are splayed out from it. There are no clouds at the centre.

Not sure if this has been answered.
The air (atmosphere) moves with the spin of the globe. Otherwise, as per how you imply things to be: the wind would be at over 1000mph constantly.

There’s also inertia, but I don’t want to get too heavy too quickly.

And yet a plane will head into atmosphere and create friction.
A so called spinning ball of solid and liquid just happens to carry along an atmosphere in perfect unison.
This means it has to skim the atmosphere at the crust and seas and carry it all along with the Earth.

Any idea how that works?
I have a few more questions depending on the answer.

 

[DPTT]

How do you know you haven't?

If I am so dumb and I have missed this can you show me the evidence/data/documents etc