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Put a flat earthier into space

It's pretty clear and in your face that we live on a spinning globe.
To you, maybe. To me, not a chance.
It's also pretty clear and in your face that at some point you were so angry at the world for being born without the mental capacity to understand science, you've invented a load of bollocks to make yourself feel better.
Angry at science? Nahhhh. I love science. Science is all about Earth and what's inside of it.
It's the stories that pretend to be factual science that bemuses me.
Stuff like a fictional spinning global Earth and gravity and black holes and burning suns as stars and balls of gas or rock as planets....etc.
No, water level won't show that at all, if you use accurate enough equipment to measure it. You refuse to do so, so you're working from incomplete information.
No equipment will show anything different.
You absolutely do have to prove it to us if you're claiming we're wrong.
I have, water level.
We all have taken the time to question it and have proven it all with real science. You haven't.
You haven't proven anything with real science.
We don't "choose" it at all, we follow the results of the science, whereas you've misunderstood almost everything you've ever heard about science and maths and come up some wacky ideas because of that lack of knowledge. If it wasn't so tragic it would be funny.
You follow the story based on what you're told is science in terms of what we're arguing.
Water level is one absolute proof that we're on a globe if you do the experiment correctly.
That in itself should be a red flag but it shows how manipulating a set narrative can be when gripped onto the peer pressure bandwagon.
I was once part of that so I know fine well how easy it is.
Yes. I've tried to explain it to you already but you don't get it. Or you just refuse to get it because it goes against the narrative you've invented and explains why water can cling to a globe.
Gravity wasn't it? It's never been explained as to what it is.

If I am so dumb and I have missed this can you show me the evidence/data/documents etc 🙏
Nobody's saying you're dumb. This isn't about anyone being dumb, it's about people following narratives and we all do it.
The argument is all about which narratives that are told to be followed as fact, are actually that.
I don't need to show you anything.
If you believe everything you're told officially then I have no issue. I just don't follow that train of thought.
 
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To you, maybe. To me, not a chance.

Angry at science? Nahhhh. I love science. Science is all about Earth and what's inside of it.
It's the stories that pretend to be factual science that bemuses me.
Stuff like a fictional spinning global Earth and gravity and black holes and burning suns as stars and balls of gas or rock as planets....etc.

No equipment will show anything different.

I have, water level.

You haven't proven anything with real science.

You follow the story based on what you're told is science in terms of what we're arguing.

That in itself should be a red flag but it shows how manipulating a set narrative can be when gripped onto the peer pressure bandwagon.
I was once part of that so I know fine well how easy it is.

Gravity wasn't it? It's never been explained as to what it is.




Nobody's saying you're dumb. This isn't about anyone being dumb, it's about people following narratives and we all do it.
The argument is all about which narratives that are told to be followed as fact, are actually that.
I don't need to show you anything.
If you believe everything you're told officially then I have no issue. I just don't follow that train of thought.
Well if nobody has told me or indeed provided any evidence of something (anything) then how can I believe it to be true?
Your term “narrative” is basically telling us everything put to us is a lie but you fail to say even why🤷‍♂️
It’s one thing having “musings” matey but personally find your denial of everything put to you pretty disrespectful to every scientist etc who has provided evidence or worked towards making the world it is
 
Well if nobody has told me or indeed provided any evidence of something (anything) then how can I believe it to be true?
You don;t have to. Just go with what you want to go with.
Your term “narrative” is basically telling us everything put to us is a lie but you fail to say even why🤷‍♂️
A narrative does not have to be a lie.
It’s one thing having “musings” matey but personally find your denial of everything put to you pretty disrespectful to every scientist etc who has provided evidence or worked towards making the world it is
And you're entitled to think what you like. I'm ok with it.
 
I can see how ridiculous the train argument is when putting it up against a global Earth spin.

Only because you refuse to question your established narrative that the world isn't a globe.

You were quite happy with your own answer about the train accelerating before you were told it proved two different scientific laws that could be used to prove the earth is a globe, and then it's straight back to "lah lah lah not listening, it's not a globe, it's not a globe" like the parrot you are.
 
To you, maybe. To me, not a chance.

To anyone with a brain who is willing to question things and not just parrot the stories of the established flat earth narrative that the earth isn't a spinning globe.

Angry at science?

No, angry at the world. Yet again you prove yourself incapable of even following a conversation, let alone understand science and maths.

Nahhhh. I love science. Science is all about Earth and what's inside of it.

No you don't, you love to use the word science as if you know what it means, but then you fail at every step when asked to show how your idea of science is supposed to work.


It's the stories that pretend to be factual science that bemuses me.

Like the story you keep parroting that the earth isn't a spinning globe? Yeah, that one bemuses me too. Only a complete wackjob with no grasp of science or maths could possibly believe that ridiculous story from the established flat earth narrative that gets parroted to us all as if it's a fact.

Stuff like a fictional spinning global Earth and gravity and black holes and burning suns as stars and balls of gas or rock as planets....etc.

Yeah, that's proper science. That stuff's great when you actually understand it.

No equipment will show anything different.

How can you prove that there's no curve of a fraction of a millimetre without a piece of equipment capable of measuring a fraction of a millimetre? It makes absolutely no sense to claim otherwise.

I have, water level.

Water level is proof of a globe. Prove me wrong.

You haven't proven anything with real science.

I absolutely have. You haven't proven it wrong.

You follow the story based on what you're told is science in terms of what we're arguing.

You follow the story based on what you're told is science by the flat earth society in terms of what we're arguing.

That in itself should be a red flag but it shows how manipulating a set narrative can be when gripped onto the peer pressure bandwagon.

It should be a red flag that in order to conduct a scientific experiment correctly, you have to use the correct equipment?

Do you even read back what you type?

How is using the correct equipment to conduct an experiment anything to do with peer pressure? We're trying to determine that a curve of a fraction of a millimetre doesn't exist across the length of a bath of water, so unless you're using equipment capable of determining that curve isn't there, then you're failing at performing the experiment by the purest definition of what you're trying to prove.

You're the one trying to manipulate the results of the experiment because you're so determined to avoid the possibility that it will prove wrong your manipulative set narrative that you've been told by the flat earth society.

I was once part of that so I know fine well how easy it is.

You weren't part of it at all. You are now though - you're suffering from the peer pressure of the flat earth society and have been manipulated by their fake science stories to such a degree that now you refuse to question their narrative. It's so sad.

Gravity wasn't it? It's never been explained as to what it is.

It has, but you didn't understand it, which isn't surprising when you can't even grasp the most basic concepts of geometry like the tangent and normal of a circle.
 
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Only because you refuse to question your established narrative that the world isn't a globe.
My narrative is far from established.
You were quite happy with your own answer about the train accelerating before you were told it proved two different scientific laws that could be used to prove the earth is a globe, and then it's straight back to "lah lah lah not listening, it's not a globe, it's not a globe" like the parrot you are.
It's like this. You can't argue for coriolis effect and then argue the atmosphere spinning in exact unison with everyone.
You can get away with going with a simple argument of someone jumping up on a plane and saying they land back in the same place but this would not be the case if someone jumped up for long enough, because then their dense mass would overcome the friction of atmosphere when not attached to a foundation and they would certainly end up in a different landing spot, just as any dense mass would when not friction gripped.

If you argue the coriolis effect then you also have to argue against a hovering helicopter or any object being released from a foundation.

All you have is momentum in terms of what you argue with a train in motion or a plane in motion...etc.
It's no different to someone on a skateboard moving at a certain speed and it goes under a car whilst the person jumps and is carried along with momentum to land back on the skateboard.
However, if that person was to jump too high then that person would not be landing back onto the skateboard. Why? Because the resistance of atmosphere slows that persons momentum down.

The same would happen in a train or plane if the foundation grip wasn't solid enough to aid in carrying the object with the motion of the transport.
Do people who don't believe we orbit the Sun still have birthdays? I wonder what they think they're celebrating.
Time and dates are man made.
 
My narrative is far from established.

It's like this. You can't argue for coriolis effect and then argue the atmosphere spinning in exact unison with everyone.
You can get away with going with a simple argument of someone jumping up on a plane and saying they land back in the same place but this would not be the case if someone jumped up for long enough, because then their dense mass would overcome the friction of atmosphere when not attached to a foundation and they would certainly end up in a different landing spot, just as any dense mass would when not friction gripped.

If you argue the coriolis effect then you also have to argue against a hovering helicopter or any object being released from a foundation.

All you have is momentum in terms of what you argue with a train in motion or a plane in motion...etc.
It's no different to someone on a skateboard moving at a certain speed and it goes under a car whilst the person jumps and is carried along with momentum to land back on the skateboard.
However, if that person was to jump too high then that person would not be landing back onto the skateboard. Why? Because the resistance of atmosphere slows that persons momentum down.

The same would happen in a train or plane if the foundation grip wasn't solid enough to aid in carrying the object with the motion of the transport.

Time and dates are man made.

The coriolis effect is directly caused by a spinning global earth.......how on earth is this separated from the atmosphere being held to the surface of the planet (in an extremely thin layer compared to the size of the earth I might add). The problem with the stuff you come up with as evidence like this "because then their dense mass would overcome the friction of atmosphere when not attached to a foundation and they would certainly end up in a different landing spot, just as any dense mass would when not friction gripped" is that it is utter bollocks so it is impossible to prove anything - you have made up a whole new set of nonsensical physics which cannot be in anyway proven to counterract something you don't believe - I mean friction gripped ffs what utter drivel.

Time is not man made, neither are dates - we have made a reference scale to fit against natural phenomenon like every other measurement we use.
 
My narrative is far from established.

It absolutely is. Your narrative has been established for more than 150 years by the creator of what is now the flat earth society, and is parroted without question by their members and other gullible people like yourself who refuse to question that narrative. Tragic.

You can get away with going with a simple argument of someone jumping up on a plane and saying they land back in the same place but this would not be the case if someone jumped up for long enough, because then their dense mass would overcome the friction of atmosphere when not attached to a foundation and they would certainly end up in a different landing spot, just as any dense mass would when not friction gripped.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So now you're saying that your proof only works when you jump up "for long enough" but you refuse to use accurate equipment to measure the level of the bathwater?

Haway man, you're tying yourself in more and more knots the longer you go on. Your own arguments are countering your other arguments you silly sod. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


If you argue the coriolis effect then you also have to argue against a hovering helicopter or any object being released from a foundation.

No we don't.

All you have is momentum in terms of what you argue with a train in motion or a plane in motion...etc.

Now you're getting it. The momentum that lands you in the same place when you jump up and down on a train is exactly the same effect as the momentum that lands you in the same place when you jump up and down on the globe earth. Congratulations, you're starting to progress in arguing against the stupidity you were exhibiting in this same conversation a couple of posts ago.

It's no different to someone on a skateboard moving at a certain speed and it goes under a car whilst the person jumps and is carried along with momentum to land back on the skateboard.

Exactly. By George, I think he's getting it!

However, if that person was to jump too high then that person would not be landing back onto the skateboard. Why? Because the resistance of atmosphere slows that persons momentum down.

Air resistance, but you're close.

The same would happen in a train or plane if the foundation grip wasn't solid enough to aid in carrying the object with the motion of the transport.

No, it wouldn't. Try it. Jump REALLY HIGH on a train that's moving at a constant speed. You'll still land in the same place because there's no air resistance to slow you down. The inertial reference frame reigns supreme.
 
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And yet a plane will head into atmosphere and create friction.
A so called spinning ball of solid and liquid just happens to carry along an atmosphere in perfect unison.
This means it has to skim the atmosphere at the crust and seas and carry it all along with the Earth.

Any idea how that works?
I have a few more questions depending on the answer.

Yes. A plane does cut through the atmosphere. It’s a relatively thin medium, not as dense as liquid and more dense then space. Yes, there will be friction generated at the surface the aeroplane comes into contact with the atmosphere and this friction increases with speed. Or more to the point decreases as the object is in harmony with the atmosphere.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.

The atmosphere doesn’t exist in perfect harmony with the earths crust. This is a known science. Go and read books relating to the Coriolis effect.
 
No you don't, you love to use the word science as if you know what it means, but then you fail at every step when asked to show how your idea of science is supposed to work.
Science is reality. Finding out what that reality is is down to those who try to piece the science together to make the bigger picture of whatever it is they're looking into.
Like the story you keep parroting that the earth isn't a spinning globe? Yeah, that one bemuses me too. Only a complete wackjob with no grasp of science or maths could possibly believe that ridiculous story from the established flat earth narrative that gets parroted to us all as if it's a fact.
I sometimes sit back and have a little cringe at how easy it was to have me duped as a youngster about oceans staying on a big oblate spheroid but I cringed a bit more when I realised how long it took me to question it properly.
Luckily I've managed to get past that piece but there's a lot more stuff that begs questions.
How can you prove that there's no curve of a fraction of a millimetre without a piece of equipment capable of measuring a fraction of a millimetre? It makes absolutely no sense to claim otherwise.
There will be lost of curves. We have hills and mounds and all kinds of off level stuff on Earth.
However, no matter what it is, water will always stay level as it hits any of them and is left to settle. It may leave many mounds protruding the water as the water finds its level around them but the water will be flat and level once unhindered.
Water level is proof of a globe. Prove me wrong.
No need to. If you believe that then you go with that. If you think it doesn't deserve questioning then that's your prerogative.
It should be a red flag that in order to conduct a scientific experiment correctly, you have to use the correct equipment?
That depends on what's deemed as, correct equipment.
Do you even read back what you type?
Yep.
How is using the correct equipment to conduct an experiment anything to do with peer pressure?
I never said it was.
We're trying to determine that a curve of a fraction of a millimetre doesn't exist across the length of a bath of water, so unless you're using equipment capable of determining that curve isn't there, then you're failing at performing the experiment by the purest definition of what you're trying to prove.
You clearly know in your own mind about water level. You clearly know what sea level means. You clearly know what the meaning of level means, yet you allow yourself to be told that curvature means level when a big globe is mentioned.
However, it isn't just a case of having an observable level as we do see it in real time you also have the added in extra of that level staying level even though people believe the globe spins.

It's utter utter nonsense IMO but you're welcome to your mindset.
You're the one trying to manipulate the results of the experiment because so determined to avoid the possibility that it will prove wrong your manipulative set narrative that you've been told by the flat earth society.
I don;t need to manipulate anything. I think the manipulation is pretty clear from the global storyline.
You are now though - you're suffering from the peer pressure of the flat earth society and have been manipulated by their fake science stories to such a degree that now you refuse to question their narrative. It's so sad.
I don't believe in a flat Earth so I think that dispels that.
However, I do believe in level waters.
The coriolis effect is directly caused by a spinning global earth.......how on earth is this separated from the atmosphere being held to the surface of the planet (in an extremely thin layer compared to the size of the earth I might add).The problem with the stuff you come up with as evidence like this "because then their dense mass would overcome the friction of atmosphere when not attached to a foundation and they would certainly end up in a different landing spot, just as any dense mass would when not friction gripped" is that it is utter bollocks so it is impossible to prove anything - you have made up a whole new set of nonsensical physics which cannot be in anyway proven to counterract something you don't believe - I mean friction gripped ffs what utter drivel.

But we know the atmosphere gets thinner and thinner in terms of being a breathable environment and then it gets to a so called vacuum or so close to a vacuum as to be one only 20 miles up (approx), as we're told.
This means the atmosphere has to be grabbed by the rotating solid and not only hold water but also the water also grabbing the atmosphere and not only taking that portion it grabs but also all the rest right up to the vacuum and it all gets pushed around in exact unison with that solid.

Seriously?

But not only that. Any aircraft placed within it just gets grabbed along with that atmosphere if it lifts off the deck, no matter how high.

Honestly man it beggars belief.
Time is not man made, neither are dates - we have made a reference scale to fit against natural phenomenon like every other measurement we use.
Of course time is man made and so are dates.
Now you're getting it. The momentum that lands you in the same place when you jump up and down on a train is exactly the same effect as the momentum that lands you in the same place when you jump up and down on the globe earth. Congratulations, you're starting to progress in arguing against the stupidity you were exhibiting in this same conversation a couple of posts ago.

That's all well and good if that was all the argument...but it isn't.
Which brings us back to the planes and helicopters...etc that are lifted away from the actual solid ground.
And we're told these just also get dragged along even craft at 20 miles in a near vacuum as we're told.
Utter nonsense.
No, it wouldn't. Try it. Jump REALLY HIGH on a train that's moving at a constant speed. You'll still land in the same place because there's no air resistance to slow you down. The inertial reference frame reigns supreme.
You can only jump a tiny amount on a train. Like I mentioned about initial momentum and actual carriage pressure.
If the carriage was 10 feet high and you could jump that height, you would land away from your initial jump because your momentum would be slowed by air resistance being too weak to carry your dense mass with the same momentum.
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Time and dates are man made.
Whereas everything in Cell-World isn't?
Of course. Time and dates are man made no matter what.

Yes. A plane does cut through the atmosphere. It’s a relatively thin medium, not as dense as liquid and more dense then space. Yes, there will be friction generated at the surface the aeroplane comes into contact with the atmosphere and this friction increases with speed. Or more to the point decreases as the object is in harmony with the atmosphere.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.

The atmosphere doesn’t exist in perfect harmony with the earths crust. This is a known science. Go and read books relating to the Coriolis effect.
If the atmosphere doesn't exist in perfect harmony with the Earth's crust then the global spinning Earth is rendered useless because that's what has to be the story in order to make us believe we see what we actually observe in reality.

What we really observe is a stationary Earth with atmosphere that moves in all directions depending on pressure changes and is also why helicopters can hover and not see ground move underneath.
 
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Science is reality. Finding out what that reality is is down to those who try to piece the science together to make the bigger picture of whatever it is they're looking into.

And yet you don't. You close your ears to anything that proves you wrong, and refuse to do experiments to test your own theories properly.

I sometimes sit back and have a little cringe at how easy it was to have me duped as a youngster about oceans staying on a big oblate spheroid but I cringed a bit more when I realised how long it took me to question it properly.
Luckily I've managed to get past that piece but there's a lot more stuff that begs questions.

You should sometimes sit back and have a little cringe at how easy it has been for you to be duped by the flat earth society. That's the embarrassing part of your story.

There will be lost of curves. We have hills and mounds and all kinds of off level stuff on Earth.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

However, no matter what it is, water will always stay level as it hits any of them and is left to settle. It may leave many mounds protruding the water as the water finds its level around them but the water will be flat and level once unhindered.

You're describing ripples. Nobody is talking about ripples. You've introduced these into the conversation. Everybody else including me is talking about unhindered water that has had time to rest.

Wait until the water is completely at rest and then measure it with a measuring device that is accurate enough to measure a fraction of a millimetre.

Then and only then will you be able to say truthfully that the water doesn't curve the way the narrative says it should.

Until you do that, you are lying about having conducted an experiment using bathwater to prove there's no curve.


No need to. If you believe that then you go with that. If you think it doesn't deserve questioning then that's your prerogative.

There absolutely is need to. You keep saying that bathwater at rest is perfectly level with no curve, but until you measure it with a device capable of measuring whether that curve is there or not, you're lying about having done an experiment to prove it is level.

That depends on what's deemed as, correct equipment.

In this case, you need to use a measuring device that is accurate enough that it can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 8 inches per mile squared curve is not there.

The definition of "correct equipment" in science is "equipment that is capable of being able to tell which of the two possibilities you're trying to test for is the truth". You wouldn't measure temperature with a plank of wood, you'd use a thermometer. That is the correct equipment. You wouldn't measure time with a cat, you'd use a stopwatch. That is the correct equipment. This isn't a hard concept to comprehend. If you want to measure within a fraction of a millimetre you need to use a highly accurate measuring device capable of measuring a fraction of a millimetre. That is the correct equipment.


The contradictions, lies, absolute nonsense and utter garbage you type would suggest otherwise.

I never said it was.

Liar.

When I said you need to do the experiment correctly with the correct equipment you said, and I quote, "That in itself should be a red flag but it shows how manipulating a set narrative can be when gripped onto the peer pressure bandwagon."

The red flag here is that you refuse to use the correct equipment to do your bath/water level experiment. The flat earth set narrative is manipulating you with its peer pressure. Such a shame you can't see that.

You clearly know in your own mind about water level. You clearly know what sea level means. You clearly know what the meaning of level means, yet you allow yourself to be told that curvature means level when a big globe is mentioned.
However, it isn't just a case of having an observable level as we do see it in real time you also have the added in extra of that level staying level even though people believe the globe spins.

It's utter utter nonsense IMO but you're welcome to your mindset.

I do clearly know what water level means. You apparently don't. That's why you keep parroting all this nonsense you've been "taught" by the flat earth society rather than question their narrative.

I don;t need to manipulate anything. I think the manipulation is pretty clear from the global storyline

You've been manipulating your results all the way through the thread by refusing to use accurate enough equipment and by coming up with your conclusions before you've even done your experiments.

The way that YOU have been manipulated by the flat earth society storyline is very VERY clear. It's so sad.

I don't believe in a flat Earth so I think that dispels that.

Yes, you do. You just don't understand what the words mean.

However, I do believe in level waters.

No, you don't. You believe in a storyline that you've been fed by the flat earth society and are too closed-minded to question that schooling.

That's all well and good if that was all the argument...but it isn't.

It absolutely is. Yet again you've proven that you're incapable of following a conversation, let alone understanding maths and science.

Which brings us back to the planes and helicopters...etc that are lifted away from the actual solid ground.
And we're told these just also get dragged along even craft at 20 miles in a near vacuum as we're told.
Utter nonsense.

Explain how a helicopter or plane lifts off the ground at all. If you can't grasp the basic maths of the geometry of a circle then it's not surprising you can't grasp how aircraft work.

You can only jump a tiny amount on a train. Like I mentioned about initial momentum and actual carriage pressure.
If the carriage was 10 feet high and you could jump that height, you would land away from your initial jump because your momentum would be slowed by air resistance being too weak to carry your dense mass with the same momentum.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: What absolute nonsense.

I refer you back to your previous comment "That in itself should be a red flag but it shows how manipulating a set narrative can be when gripped onto the peer pressure bandwagon."

Red flags ALL OVER that drivel you just posted.
 
Time and dates are man made that must be the stupidest thing (and it is a crowded field) written on here it shows a complete lack of understanding of basic concepts time exists it we didnt call a day a day it would still be the same just not called a day. You are really clueless
 
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