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Racism at Yorkshire CCC


Behind Enemy Lines said:
I love the authority with which white liberals speak on behalf of "minorities". "X is offensive to black people but y is OK" - says who?

These people probably hardly know any "minorities". If they did then they'd know that black people, for example, aren't a hive mind. Some would be offended by black face, some wouldn't give a shit. But that doesn't stop the white liberal defining what's racist or not on behalf of people they don't even know.
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Aye it's properly terrible when people try not to be insulting, discriminatory and bigoted. Hate it me. Unless they're a minority they should just stick to being racist imo
 
Twisted said:
Aye it's properly terrible when people try not to be insulting, discriminatory and bigoted. Hate it me. Unless they're a minority they should just stick to being racist imo
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Liberal racism can often be more subtle but just as offensive. Assuming that all "minorities" think the same and need to be coddled for example.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Liberal racism can often be more subtle but just as offensive. Assuming that all "minorities" think the same and need to be coddled for example.
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People don't all think the same, no matter their race, gender etc. So people against racism can still be bell end yes.

Not entirely convinced that thinking minorities all think the same or need to be coddled is 'just as offensive' as actually racially abusing people mind, but I take your point
sonson said:
So to clarify mate

You're saying that if Djouf is ok with blackface, Les Ferdinand must be also? Why might that be then?
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El Hadj Diouf - a moral bar set pretty high there like
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Liberal racism can often be more subtle but just as offensive. Assuming that all "minorities" think the same and need to be coddled for example.
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So for example posting a picture of Diouf and saying because he as a black man is ok with it, then Les Ferdinand as an entirely separate black man must be also? That sort of thing aye?
 
The problem that needs an open and honest discussion on what is racism? If somebody is disadvantaged because the colour of their skin or their religious beliefs it is pure 100% racism and needs stamping out.

I watched an interview with another Asian cricketer (cant remember his name) on the news and he was complaining that straight after the London bombings his team mates nicknamed him Bomber. Is that racism or is that a team thing. How many people within all sports have nicknames and how many of those nicknames do the people actually like. He did go on to say that the committee held him back and wouldn’t let him pray in front of his team mates, there’s the racism, nickname Bomber, in my opinion not so much.

As a country we are also spending a disproportionate amount of time on trying to tackle unconscious bias As this is racism. If we break that down, the person does not know they are being racist, are not intentionally behaving racist and do not deliberately disadvantage another person. I’m sorry but this is not racisim.

For true equality we must understand the diverse nature of this country, everybody is different. But that goes both ways. Mrs Cannybody, 80-90 year old that still uses the P word to describe her local shop or the C word for a Chinese takeaway is not racist. She just has a behaviour and language from a different time. It does not make it OK but when no harm is intended by her language, this is not racism.

Alex Hayes dressing up in black face was not meant to harm anybody. Why do people get so upset about black face? He was trying to be Tupac, Tupac is black, he blacked his face To look like Tupac. Are we trying to deny Tupacs colour?

As I’ve said, racism that is intended to disadvantage somebody, hold them back or is intended to harm needs stamping out in modern sociality. We need to call it out, but we also need to call out the professionally outraged who look for racism in everything.
 
sonson said:
So to clarify mate

You're saying that if Djouf is ok with blackface, an entirely different human being to Les Ferdindand, then
Les Ferdinand must be also?

Why might that be then?
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El Hadji Djouf obviously thought the kids impression of him was good. Ferdinand when shown the photo of the young Newcastle fan impersonating him was funny.

However these two moments were made from a position of love towards their idols from young children. I don’t know how Ferdinand and Diouf really feel about it in a wider sense.
 
JL1985 said:
El Hadji Djouf obviously thought the kids impression of him was good. Ferdinand when shown the photo of the young Newcastle fan impersonating him was funny.

However these two moments were made from a position of love towards their idols from young children. I don’t know how Ferdinand and Diouf really feel about it in a wider sense.
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Exactly, it is about intent.
 
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