Put a flat earthier into space

[bernardbresslaw]

Yep.
From the centre of Earth the energy from within projects that energy towards the dome in waves.
If the dome was not there, those waves would be absorbed into the blackness we see in the sky at night.
However, the reason it reflects back to us is because of the ice dome. It acts like a perfect reflecting mirror back to the ground, of that energy.

The very same goes for all the points of light and anything else we see in that sky that is not man made.

Are you sure you haven't been staring at this for too long and it's sent you a bit crackas?

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[legend7]

Just how thick is this disc?

There's a joke in there somewhere.....

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

I don't disagree with how the concept is pushed out in terms of constellations/points of light patterns.
I'm simply saying it's showing two hemispheres where I'm talking about one dome with what can be seen in each half of the dome depending on where you're standing.

it's not about a concept being pushed out, it's a plainly visible fact.
There are two hemispheres and you cant squeeze both onto your dome at the same time while still having them behave as they clearly do.
Nor can you even begin to explain any naturally occurring mechanism that could accurately create their apparent motion. There are no mirrored constellations.

The planisphere shows the two hemispheres which could be imagined as drawn on the inside of a globe. There is no possible way to fit both onto your dome.

 

[payne]

it's not about a concept being pushed out, it's a plainly visible fact.
There are two hemispheres and you cant squeeze both onto your dome at the same time while still having them behave as they clearly do.
Nor can you even begin to explain any naturally occurring mechanism that could accurately create their apparent motion. There are no mirrored constellations.

The planisphere shows the two hemispheres which could be imagined as drawn on the inside of a globe. There is no possible way to fit both onto your dome.

you've just got to believe more

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

you've just got to believe more

I'm just pushing out a concept.

 

[payne]

I'm just pushing out a concept.

not as fact I hope

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

not as fact I hope

There's no such thing as facts, and that's a fact.

 

[DaveH]

it's not about a concept being pushed out, it's a plainly visible fact.
There are two hemispheres and you cant squeeze both onto your dome at the same time while still having them behave as they clearly do.
Nor can you even begin to explain any naturally occurring mechanism that could accurately create their apparent motion. There are no mirrored constellations.

The planisphere shows the two hemispheres which could be imagined as drawn on the inside of a globe. There is no possible way to fit both onto your dome.

He could not explain how you could have lots of people in different parts of the disc all with their backs to north but all looking at the southern cross. Two of the people could be back to back, looking at opposite sides of the dome, but see the same thing. Apparently this works, a globe doesn’t and it is just our brainwashing.

 

[payne]

He could not explain how you could have lots of people in different parts of the disc all with their backs to north but all looking at the southern cross. Two of the people could be back to back, looking at opposite sides of the dome, but see the same thing. Apparently this works, a globe doesn’t and it is just our brainwashing.

You're just thick and he's told you that many times. You're too stupid understand that all you've learned is bullshit.

 

[legend7]

You're just thick and he's told you that many times. You're too stupid understand that all you've learned is bullshit.

I wonder if the flat earthers have bots like the Saudis do, would explain a lot and he is a mag.

 

[Kevj]

One for the morning.

@Nukehasslefan, care to explain how your atmospheric pressure theory which generates tides is tied in to the so called lunar cycle but in reality is a inner projector system?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

So in this perfect reflecting mirror how come we can only see the "sun" "moon" "tiny stars" but we don't see reflections of anything else, like if there was a volcano or even just the sees and landmasses on a lovely clear day?

Not enough reflective light.

That is your problem, it is what I said yesterday, that you change the model then claim the model doesn't work.

I don't change the model. I go on what the mainstream books tell us and argue it from that point.

You can stick a small toy bath on a basket ball, why not a real bath on a globe?

Because you don;t have a globe to stick a real sized bath on.
But....if you go on with a toy bath on a small globe then try that out and spin it.

At what point in the scale does the concept of pressing two objects together fail?

Not sure what you mean by this.

Regardless of which, the standard reality model of a globe is that a bath can exist and be filled with water.

Yep we know this by what we see. Just not on a globe.

In your "experiment" you assume a bath can not physically exist as an object and then you reject the whole idea.

No.
Twist it anyway you want but it doesn't aid you in any way.
Baths obviously exist, just not on a spinning global world. Why? Because we don't live on one.
Simple as that.

You never actually test the model of a bath on a globe and what it would look like if such things are possible.

Correct I've never done it.
Try the toy one out you have and place it on a ball.

Ahhhh....but size, right?
A ball is a ball regardless of size.
Water is water whatever container it is in, sitting on that ball.
Spin that ball and your container will no longer hold water nor hold the container if it's not anchored down or part of an indentation into the ball.
Basically you get no level because you get no water staying on a ball.
Why?
Because we do not live on a spinning globe.
The reason why water is level is because we do not live on a spinning globe.

You made an assumption and dismissed your own experiment as void. The whole idea of a laser line water or anything is irrelevant if you have already decided that baths can't exist.

Your words, not mine.

Your single proof for proving the world is not a globe is just a load of rubbish.

Absolutely not.

It is not about mindset, not about schooling from our point of view etc, it is you pouring water in a bath saying flat, then deciding the world is not a globe and stopping there.

By all means think this.

If you were saying water would curve in a bath or something else, then ok, but to completely reject the concept of a bath, that takes this to a whole new level of insanity.

On a globe. Don't forget the spinning globe.

Moon really big tonight. Must have put the magnifying glass on the projector.

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How else do you think it gets bigger to our vision?

Just how thick is this disc?

What disc?

it's not about a concept being pushed out, it's a plainly visible fact.
There are two hemispheres and you cant squeeze both onto your dome at the same time while still having them behave as they clearly do.

You don't see two hemispheres. If you look up at the sky you see that visible sky and everything that moves over and around it from your point.
Someone else will see different depending on where they're standing away from that point, around Earth's cell.
And other places will be nothing as it's washed out by sun, until the sun goes and they see their points of light moving over and away.
No need for two hemispheres.
And also, do you accept you see the moon image upside down in places?
Do you see some of your star constellations at different orientations depending on where you are on Earth?.

Nor can you even begin to explain any naturally occurring mechanism that could accurately create their apparent motion.

A natural projector from the centre of Earth through crystals will sort that out easily.

There are no mirrored constellations.

Are you sure?

The planisphere shows the two hemispheres which could be imagined as drawn on the inside of a globe. There is no possible way to fit both onto your dome.

Imagined as drawn on the inside of a globe.
Inside of a globe suggests concave.
The dome suggests concave.
The mindset of two hemispheres can be the mindset of one part of a concavity against another part. Not two hemispheres cupped together.

One for the morning.

@Nukehasslefan, care to explain how your atmospheric pressure theory which generates tides is tied in to the so called lunar cycle but in reality is a inner projector system?

As the reflected sun and moon moves over and around the Earth pressure changes happen with that movement. Above and below.
As that pressure hits seas it compresses those seas as it moves over them.
The compression on those seas causes the seas in that area to be pushed outwards from that pressure which eventually reaches shore and starts to raise higher and higher up the beaches, etc.
The closer the reflection gets to areas the more pressure is created to that area as the reflection moves over that area.
The more pressure build means the more compression on the seas.
The more compression means the more the water rises at the beaches.

Simple atmospheric pressure changes.

 

[What A Waster]

As the reflected sun and moon moves over and around the Earth pressure changes happen with that movement. Above and below.
As that pressure hits seas it compresses those seas as it moves over them.
The compression on those seas causes the seas in that area to be pushed outwards from that pressure which eventually reaches shore and starts to raise higher and higher up the beaches, etc.
The closer the reflection gets to areas the more pressure is created to that area as the reflection moves over that area.
The more pressure build means the more compression on the seas.
The more compression means the more the water rises at the beaches.

Simple atmospheric pressure changes.

Why do the tide times change predictably and consistently every day but are unaffected by a high or low pressure weather system?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Why do the tide times change predictably and consistently every day but are unaffected by a high or low pressure weather system?

They are affected by a high or low pressure weather system.

 

[What A Waster]

They are affected by a high or low pressure weather system.

So if the pressure that causes weather is low, what does that do to the tide?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

So if the pressure that causes weather is low, what does that do to the tide?

Low pressure will recede a tide.

 

[What A Waster]

Low pressure will recede a tide.

We get two low tides and two high tides per day. Are you sure this adds up? You had your barometer out checking the pressure along with the tide?

Different areas get the high and low tide at different times as well.

Can you show me where the high and low pressure matches high and low tides?

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

I don't change the model. I go on what the mainstream books tell us and argue it from that point.

You do change the model. Unless you've changed your mind about the wobble of Earth's orbit which no-one teaches or claims, other than you.

You don't see two hemispheres. If you look up at the sky you see that visible sky and everything that moves over and around it from your point.
Someone else will see different depending on where they're standing away from that point, around Earth's cell.
And other places will be nothing as it's washed out by sun, until the sun goes and they see their points of light moving over and away.
No need for two hemispheres.

Provably bullshit. It doesn't matter if you have no need for the hemispheres, they are still there.
I showed you the map of the two hemispheres. The map of the stars works and is verifiable and only works if we are on a globe.

A natural projector from the centre of Earth through crystals will sort that out easily.

Not a chance. Too ridiculous and stupid to seriously bother with.

Are you sure?

Imagined as drawn on the inside of a globe.
Inside of a globe suggests concave.
The dome suggests concave.
The mindset of two hemispheres can be the mindset of one part of a concavity against another part. Not two hemispheres cupped together.

Yes, I am 100% sure there are no mirrored constellations.
Yes, imagined as drawn on the inside of a globe, because we are on a rotating globe and so that is how the stars appear. They are NOT on a globe, but it can be a helpful way to explain where they appear and how.
Yes, a dome is also concave, but is not entirely spherical, therefore you cannot squeeze two perfectly interlocking hemispherical star maps onto it all at the same time.

And also, do you accept you see the moon image upside down in places?
Do you see some of your star constellations at different orientations depending on where you are on Earth?.

The orientation of moon and stars appear to change all day and night long. They will appear differently in different places and at different times because we are on a spinning globe.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

We get two low tides and two high tides per day. Are you sure this adds up?

Absolutely.

You had your barometer out checking the pressure along with the tide?

A barometer will show absolute minor change but that's immediate local to that barometer, so let's use this barometer and think on it.

We will go with the mercury trough barometer and think of it on a massive scale for entire local area of pressure change.
The mercury in the tube will rise when the atmosphere exerts more pressure onto the trough of mercury.
But let's the about the tube and understand what's happening in the trough.
In order for mercury to go up the tube it has to be pushed/compressed against by atmospheric pressure.

You could call this a rising tide by looking at the rising mercury.
However, to make it more plain, let's assume the tube isn't there.
We still know pressure pushes the mercury in the trough but it has nowhere to go, so will rise in the trough for as long as the pressure builds in that area as the energy is moving over and around it.

Different areas get the high and low tide at different times as well.

Yep and that's why it works.
Different areas will experience different tides based on the proximity of the energy applied to change the atmospheric pressure upon that water.

Can you show me where the high and low pressure matches high and low tides?

I can only offer you thinking time on it with what I provide. It's up to you whether you take it on board or cast it off as not worth your time, or whatever.

You do change the model. Unless you've changed your mind about the wobble of Earth's orbit which no-one teaches or claims, other than you.

No, I haven't changed my mind on the wobble. You and others don't get what I'm saying because you don't accept the Earth would be wobbling because you think your north pole is consistently pointed at your north star as your Earth spins around your big centralised sun in your space vacuum.
It's easy to see how this can't be the case which I've shown.

Provably bullshit. It doesn't matter if you have no need for the hemispheres, they are still there.

On your drawing, yes.

I showed you the map of the two hemispheres. The map of the stars works and is verifiable and only works if we are on a globe.

Yes you did and I went with that map as two areas above the circle. You think they're two hemispheres.

Yes, I am 100% sure there are no mirrored constellations.

Fair enough, that's your mindset.

Yes, imagined as drawn on the inside of a globe, because we are on a rotating globe and so that is how the stars appear.

Strangely like on a dome....right?

They are NOT on a globe, but it can be a helpful way to explain where they appear and how.
Yes, a dome is also concave, but is not entirely spherical, therefore you cannot squeeze two perfectly interlocking hemispherical star maps onto it all at the same time.

Your Earth isn't entirely spherical....right? It's apparently oblate...right?

The orientation of moon and stars appear to change all day and night long. They will appear differently in different places and at different times because we are on a spinning globe.

They are not on a spinning globe.

 

[What A Waster]

Absolutely.

A barometer will show absolute minor change but that's immediate local to that barometer, so let's use this barometer and think on it.

We will go with the mercury trough barometer and think of it on a massive scale for entire local area of pressure change.
The mercury in the tube will rise when the atmosphere exerts more pressure onto the trough of mercury.
But let's the about the tube and understand what's happening in the trough.
In order for mercury to go up the tube it has to be pushed/compressed against by atmospheric pressure.

You could call this a rising tide by looking at the rising mercury.
However, to make it more plain, let's assume the tube isn't there.
We still know pressure pushes the mercury in the trough but it has nowhere to go, so will rise in the trough for as long as the pressure builds in that area as the energy is moving over and around it.



Yep and that's why it works.
Different areas will experience different tides based on the proximity of the energy applied to change the atmospheric pressure upon that water.

I can only offer you thinking time on it with what I provide. It's up to you whether you take it on board or cast it off as not worth your time, or whatever.

No, I haven't changed my mind on the wobble. You and others don't get what I'm saying because you don't accept the Earth would be wobbling because you think your north pole is consistently pointed at your north star as your Earth spins around your big centralised sun in your space vacuum.
It's easy to see how this can't be the case which I've shown.


On your drawing, yes.

Yes you did and I went with that map as two areas above the circle. You think they're two hemispheres.

Fair enough, that's your mindset.

Strangely like on a dome....right?

Your Earth isn't entirely spherical....right? It's apparently oblate...right?

They are not on a spinning globe.

Total bullshit.
If the pressure is enough to manipulate tides it's gonna be detected.
You're just making stuff up.