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mackem35 said:
Came across this, sorry if seb but MBS paid 450 million dollars (more than what he paid for nufc) for a painting what isnt what it claimed to be. Bit like buying what you think is a football club on a par with inter milan. The bit at the end about human rights js interesting as to where a lit if the money to buy this painting cane from. It must hurt your pride somewhat to think you have paid all that money and its a bit shit and then he does it again with the mags.

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But Disney.
 

mackem35 said:
Came across this, sorry if seb but MBS paid 450 million dollars (more than what he paid for nufc) for a painting what isnt what it claimed to be. Bit like buying what you think is a football club on a par with inter milan. The bit at the end about human rights js interesting as to where a lit if the money to buy this painting cane from. It must hurt your pride somewhat to think you have paid all that money and its a bit shit and then he does it again with the mags.

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Just wait till that one he bought of Stavely gets delivered.
 
UpTheDuff said:
No, and I have never defended those fans and agree it is abhorrent and have criticised them in that thread.

But I understand why some of them are lashing out like that when it is clear their club is being picked for criticism which other U.K. businesses and sports drenched in Saudi money are not.

See my post above - I am against the takeover and the economic links this country has (even relies on?) with Saudi Arabia and it’s murderous regime.

Seems like because I think all Saudi money in the U.K. is bad rather than just some of it, I am being slated…which makes no sense.


Live in London. Because I work in a job which means reading the FT and Economist and general economic and business research. BAE’s exports are some of the UK’s largest and Sabic’s £1billion inward investment announcement last month is one of the biggest for years…so it’s just general working knowledge.
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Nobody has said Saudi money is good anywhere at all.

You are on a football forum so of course people are going to be talking more often about Saudi money affecting the sport and the implications of that.

It's almost as if the more attention something gets, the more it's highlighted and the more people become aware of the issues, and the more that people become aware of issues the more they dislike them and comment on them.

You've spent an entire thread giving it the 'what about Disney' (which has absolutely nothing to do with football), which isn't owned by the Saudi's, isn't motivated by sports washing, and was bought on the secondary market without the knowledge of the vast majority of the public. Is it good? No. Is it being used to promote an oppressive regime? No. Should people protest Disney? Well they can but they didn't sell the shares and saw no gain from it.

With Newcastle the motive is to promote and legitimise their regime and they've done it in the most public way possible, not only sports washing an entire city overnight, but militorizing them to join their online army of flies to deflect, legitimise and in a lot of cases attack anyone who dares comment on the subject in any way.

Why do you think there isn't an army of Disney plus users abusing anyone who criticises the Saudi's buying barely any second hand shares in Disney?
 
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70YearsOfHurt said:
I have spent years in Saudi Arabia within the last 40 years. Doing What? you ask.
1. Teaching them how to use Global level Business IT systems.
2. Building, extending, repairing Global level Business IT Systems.
3. Training their employees to pretend they know how to use those systems (with my despairing objectives of actually getting them to be awake for long enough to be able to do so ).

Laziness is their key. Their usual plan is to take a senior job and then hire a European or American to actually do the work for them.
Key two is fundamental dishonesty.
Key three is passing decision making to "somebody else" without providing any facts for the decision, then blaming them for failure.

All building up to the result. Failure --- but never their fault.

Good luck Mags / Mugs
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I've never worked in Saudi, but I worked in Abu Dhabi alongside many who had. This was pretty much what they said.

Especially the last bit about delegation. Saudi delegates the decision. If it works out the Saudi takes credit, if it doesn't then someone else if off the job
 
70YearsOfHurt said:
I have spent years in Saudi Arabia within the last 40 years. Doing What? you ask.
1. Teaching them how to use Global level Business IT systems.
2. Building, extending, repairing Global level Business IT Systems.
3. Training their employees to pretend they know how to use those systems (with my despairing objectives of actually getting them to be awake for long enough to be able to do so ).

Laziness is their key. Their usual plan is to take a senior job and then hire a European or American to actually do the work for them.
Key two is fundamental dishonesty.
Key three is passing decision making to "somebody else" without providing any facts for the decision, then blaming them for failure.

All building up to the result. Failure --- but never their fault.

Good luck Mags / Mugs
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My 2 brothers worked in Saudi for many years and said exactly what you have just said about key one. They were supposed to be there to train the locals, but said they rarely turned up and when they did, they weren’t interested. Both said they could have had a job there for life if they wanted as the locals would never be in a position to take over. Both earned good money and both got out as soon as they could.
 
mackem35 said:
Came across this, sorry if seb but MBS paid 450 million dollars (more than what he paid for nufc) for a painting what isnt what it claimed to be. Bit like buying what you think is a football club on a par with inter milan. The bit at the end about human rights js interesting as to where a lit if the money to buy this painting cane from. It must hurt your pride somewhat to think you have paid all that money and its a bit shit and then he does it again with the mags.

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Does this mean I can’t like art now?
 
mackem35 said:
Came across this, sorry if seb but MBS paid 450 million dollars (more than what he paid for nufc) for a painting what isnt what it claimed to be. Bit like buying what you think is a football club on a par with inter milan. The bit at the end about human rights js interesting as to where a lit if the money to buy this painting cane from. It must hurt your pride somewhat to think you have paid all that money and its a bit shit and then he does it again with the mags.

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UpTheDuff said:
The PIF have put £400m into McClaren F1 team, which is more than they did Newcastle, but I do not see Lando Norris being called Isis or the team being criticised like Newcastle are.
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Ffs... this again

Imagine Jimmy Saville had bought £20million of shares in IKEA. He is free to do that as that's how shares work. He has no say in how the business is run.

On the same day he spends £20million outright buying your local pub, a local restaurant and the village shop. He owns them all outright and does them all up to "improve his image".

Some may choose not to shop at IKEA because of his involvement (which is relatively tiny) but I bet noone would eat in his restaurant or drink in his pub.

Yet how much he has spent I exactly the same

Huge difference
 
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Redandwhitedust said:
Ffs... this again

Imagine Jimmy Saville had bought £20million of shares in IKEA. He is free to do that as that's how shares work. He has no say in how the business is run.

On the same day he spends £20million outright buying your local pub, a local restaurant and the village shop. He owns them all outright and does them all up to "improve his image".

Some may choose not to shop at IKEA because of his involvement (which is relatively tiny) but I bet noone would eat in his restaurant or drink in his pub.

Yet how much he has spent I exactly the same

Huge difference
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Mate you cant mention Saville on here. SAFC fans are all paedos for supporting a footballer who was yet to be found guilty remember??

Awkward!
 
UpTheDuff said:
Not a Newcastle fan at all - Cheltenham fan, hence the name. I am not sure why ‘whataboutery’, or as I see it, hypocrisy, has been “fully discredited”.

Either you are happy for the Saudis to invest in sport and business and for U.K. companies to sell arms to the Saudis, or you speak out and protest against it all. Not sure why people turning a blind eye to it but kicking off about Newcastle is a more creditable position than ‘whataboutery’.

For the record, I think the Saudi takeover is rotten, and I am against it. It is a murderous and oppressive regime which our country should have no economic or diplomatic links with. The country should be viewed like North Korea or Iran.

But as it is, the Government and the North East are happy for Sabic to employ thousands in Teesside or BAE in Washington to sell billions of pounds of weapons to Saudi. So I see no reason to pick out the Newcastle takeover for special criticism. None of it should be happening.
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Yes, it's all shite and nobody likes it. Except for the crooks profiting from it. And you lot who begged for it and welcomed the bastards as some kind of heroes.

You've invited them into possibly the world's biggest spectacle in the EPL. And you've made compete arseholes of yourselves in front of a global audience. You've provided ample reason to pick Newcastle out for special criticism if there wasn't already. Congratulations.
 
UpTheDuff said:
I can understand when Newcastle are picked out for such heavy criticism which other clubs, businesses and sports are not that their fans knee jerk reaction is extreme. Whether they are really meaning to defend the Saudi regime or are just lashing out against the double standards criticism of their club I don’t know.

The PIF have put £400m into McClaren F1 team, which is more than they did Newcastle, but I do not see Lando Norris being called Isis or the team being criticised like Newcastle are.

So whilst I do not like what some Newcastle fans are saying in the slightest and how some are defending the regime, I do understand why they are reacting like they are when being picked out unfairly compared to everything else the Saudis have invested in or own.
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If Newcastle fans hadn't celebrated like they won the lottery, champions league and a Blue Peter badge then maybe they wouldn't be getting as much stick. They did though and deserve every bit of stick they're getting.
 
UpTheDuff said:
I can understand when Newcastle are picked out for such heavy criticism which other clubs, businesses and sports are not that their fans knee jerk reaction is extreme. Whether they are really meaning to defend the Saudi regime or are just lashing out against the double standards criticism of their club I don’t know.

The PIF have put £400m into McClaren F1 team, which is more than they did Newcastle, but I do not see Lando Norris being called Isis or the team being criticised like Newcastle are.

So whilst I do not like what some Newcastle fans are saying in the slightest and how some are defending the regime, I do understand why they are reacting like they are when being picked out unfairly compared to everything else the Saudis have invested in or own.
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They've bought shares in Maclaren. They do not own or run them.
They own and run Newcastle. It belongs to them.
Redandwhitedust said:
Ffs... this again

Imagine Jimmy Saville had bought £20million of shares in IKEA. He is free to do that as that's how shares work. He has no say in how the business is run.

On the same day he spends £20million outright buying your local pub, a local restaurant and the village shop. He owns them all outright and does them all up to "improve his image".

Some may choose not to shop at IKEA because of his involvement (which is relatively tiny) but I bet noone would eat in his restaurant or drink in his pub.

Yet how much he has spent I exactly the same

Huge difference
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All the pub goers outside dressed as Jimmy Saville, celebrating. Trying to convince the world that Jimmy's alright, that you're jealous, and what about Ikea? #CansAndCigar.
 
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CEF said:
All the pub goers outside dressed as Jimmy Saville, celebrating. Trying to convince the world that Jimmy's alright, that you're jealous, and what about Ikea? #CansAndCigar.
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And old Bob drinking Brown Ale telling the media that by buying the pub he is "trying to change".

It's bizarre when you use Saville and a pub as an example, but it's pretty much accurate for what has happened. Yet still the daft bastards try and defend it
 
Mackem2017 said:
Scottish National Party MP John Nicolson, who sits on the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport committee, said during a hearing: “I’m trying to imagine what it must be like to be Jamal Khashoggi’s widow, when her husband has been chopped up and murdered…. and she sees numpties dancing around in cod-Arabic dresses outside Newcastle United. That must be heart-rending.
It made me as an outsider watching it think there was nobody who could have taken over that club – no matter the level of evil of the person who took over – that would have resulted in anything other than celebration for large numbers of Newcastle supporters.

“That’s a kind of sickness at the heart of football, isn’t it?”

The Newcastle United Supporters’ Trust has been contacted for comment by the PA news agency.
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Obviously it's envy!, seriously I wonder how jamals missus would react to sections of NUFCs support that are not only turning a blind eye but the odd one trying to justify the thing man 🤯
 
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