All NUFC and Sportswashing here (threads will be merged)

[UpTheDuff]

For clarity Maclaren are not some old fella polishing his cars who has taken 550m from PIF. The majority shareholder is the Bahrani equivalent of PIF who welcomed the investment.

And what difference does that make? Kids still wear baseball caps and Lando shirts etc.

 

[Peegee]

I can understand when Newcastle are picked out for such heavy criticism which other clubs, businesses and sports are not that their fans knee jerk reaction is extreme. Whether they are really meaning to defend the Saudi regime or are just lashing out against the double standards criticism of their club I don’t know.

The PIF have put £400m into McClaren F1 team, which is more than they did Newcastle, but I do not see Lando Norris being called Isis or the team being criticised like Newcastle are.

So whilst I do not like what some Newcastle fans are saying in the slightest and how some are defending the regime, I do understand why they are reacting like they are when being picked out unfairly compared to everything else the Saudis have invested in or own.

The answer is staring you in the face. There’s a difference between ‘investing’ and ‘owning’

If PIF took over McClaren you’d be damn sure there’d be comment on it. I don’t believe F1 teams have fans in the way football clubs do though…

 

[samaistonsrightfoot]

I can understand when Newcastle are picked out for such heavy criticism which other clubs, businesses and sports are not that their fans knee jerk reaction is extreme. Whether they are really meaning to defend the Saudi regime or are just lashing out against the double standards criticism of their club I don’t know.

The PIF have put £400m into McClaren F1 team, which is more than they did Newcastle, but I do not see Lando Norris being called Isis or the team being criticised like Newcastle are.

So whilst I do not like what some Newcastle fans are saying in the slightest and how some are defending the regime, I do understand why they are reacting like they are when being picked out unfairly compared to everything else the Saudis have invested in or own.

I don't watch F1 and barely know anything about it but as you do you might be able to help with the following:

- Did 100,000 McLaren fans petition and campaign for Saudi money?

- Did they veto Rolex and film themselves stamping on cans of coke in protest?

- Did they don tea towels on their head to celebrate the money?

- Did they chant blood money in the streets?

- Did they produce online guide on deflection campaigns?

- Did McLaren pride fans actively welcome Saudi money to such a degree they began campaigning agaisnt other pride groups?

- Did they try to validate Saudi bot flies with photo evidence of Kit Kit Zebra's?

- Did they mock Khashoggi's widow?

- Did the accuse Amnesty International of 'just being jealous'?

- Do they understand the open share market?

 

[UpTheDuff]

Thank you, always good to hear the Mag viewpoint. The whataboutery defence was fully discredited a long time ago. Do you have anything else to offer?

Not a Newcastle fan at all - Cheltenham fan, hence the name. I am not sure why ‘whataboutery’, or as I see it, hypocrisy, has been “fully discredited”.

Either you are happy for the Saudis to invest in sport and business and for U.K. companies to sell arms to the Saudis, or you speak out and protest against it all. Not sure why people turning a blind eye to it but kicking off about Newcastle is a more creditable position than ‘whataboutery’.

For the record, I think the Saudi takeover is rotten, and I am against it. It is a murderous and oppressive regime which our country should have no economic or diplomatic links with. The country should be viewed like North Korea or Iran.

But as it is, the Government and the North East are happy for Sabic to employ thousands in Teesside or BAE in Washington to sell billions of pounds of weapons to Saudi. So I see no reason to pick out the Newcastle takeover for special criticism. None of it should be happening.

 

[Dilligaf60]

The answer is staring you in the face. There’s a difference between ‘investing’ and ‘owning’

If PIF took over McClaren you’d be damn sure there’d be comment on it. I don’t believe F1 teams have fans in the way football clubs do though…

If every town and city in the country had an F1 team representing them as part of the community I’m sure it would have made the news.

 

[UpTheDuff]

Thank you, always good to hear the Mag viewpoint. The whataboutery defence was fully discredited a long time ago. Do you have anything else to offer?

deleted a duplicate post

 

[Dilligaf60]

I don't watch F1 and barely know anything about it but as you do you might be able to help with the following:

- Did 100,000 McLaren fans petition and campaign for Saudi money?

- Did they veto Rolex and film themselves stamping on cans of coke in protest?

- Did they don tea towels on their head to celebrate the money?

- Did they chant blood money in the streets?

- Did they produce online guide on deflection campaigns?

- Did McLaren pride fans actively welcome Saudi money to such a degree they began campaigning agaisnt other pride groups?

- Did they try to validate Saudi bot flies with photo evidence of Kit Kit Zebra's?

- Did they mock Khashoggi's widow?

- Did the accuse Amnesty International of 'just being jealous'?

- Do they understand the open share market?

Quality mate.
They keep coming back with the same old tired shit and within seconds get rinsed. Bot washed if you will.

 

[danbob]

I have spent years in Saudi Arabia within the last 40 years. Doing What? you ask.
1. Teaching them how to use Global level Business IT systems.
2. Building, extending, repairing Global level Business IT Systems.
3. Training their employees to pretend they know how to use those systems (with my despairing objectives of actually getting them to be awake for long enough to be able to do so ).

Laziness is their key. Their usual plan is to take a senior job and then hire a European or American to actually do the work for them.
Key two is fundamental dishonesty.
Key three is passing decision making to "somebody else" without providing any facts for the decision, then blaming them for failure.

All building up to the result. Failure --- but never their fault.

Good luck Mags / Mugs

@AndrewP sounds like working for DXC in sunny Peterlee

 

[mag in peace]

Not a Newcastle fan at all - Cheltenham fan, hence the name. I am not sure why ‘whataboutery’, or as I see it, hypocrisy, has been “fully discredited”.

Either you are happy for the Saudis to invest in sport and business and for U.K. companies to sell arms to the Saudis, or you speak out and protest against it all. Not sure why people turning a blind eye to it but kicking off about Newcastle is a more creditable position than ‘whataboutery’.

For the record, I think the Saudi takeover is rotten, and I am against it. It is a murderous and oppressive regime which our country should have no economic or diplomatic links with. The country should be viewed like North Korea or Iran.

But as it is, the Government and the North East are happy for Sabic to employ thousands in Teesside or BAE in Washington to sell billions of pounds of weapons to Saudi. So I see no reason to pick out the Newcastle takeover for special criticism. None of it should be happening.

Assuming you live down south, why do you know all this? I couldn't tell you who was investing what in Cheltenham or the surrounding areas

 

[UpTheDuff]

I don't watch F1 and barely know anything about it but as you do you might be able to help with the following:

- Did 100,000 McLaren fans petition and campaign for Saudi money?

- Did they veto Rolex and film themselves stamping on cans of coke in protest?

- Did they don tea towels on their head to celebrate the money?

- Did they chant blood money in the streets?

- Did they produce online guide on deflection campaigns?

- Did McLaren pride fans actively welcome Saudi money to such a degree they began campaigning agaisnt other pride groups?

- Did they try to validate Saudi bot flies with photo evidence of Kit Kit Zebra's?

- Did they mock Khashoggi's widow?

- Did the accuse Amnesty International of 'just being jealous'?

- Do they understand the open share market?

No, and I have never defended those fans and agree it is abhorrent and have criticised them in that thread.

But I understand why some of them are lashing out like that when it is clear their club is being picked for criticism which other U.K. businesses and sports drenched in Saudi money are not.

See my post above - I am against the takeover and the economic links this country has (even relies on?) with Saudi Arabia and it’s murderous regime.

Seems like because I think all Saudi money in the U.K. is bad rather than just some of it, I am being slated…which makes no sense.

Assuming you live down south, why do you know all this? I couldn't tell you who was investing what in Cheltenham or the surrounding areas

Live in London. Because I work in a job which means reading the FT and Economist and general economic and business research. BAE’s exports are some of the UK’s largest and Sabic’s £1billion inward investment announcement last month is one of the biggest for years…so it’s just general working knowledge.

 

[Deleted member 1169]

And what difference does that make? Kids still wear baseball caps and Lando shirts etc.

Very few would have that spin on it.

Football is our national game. NUFC were founded in 1892 and are the lifeblood of the city. They go onto the pitch and represent the City of Newcastle. People from Newcastle travel the country and (previously) Europe singing Toon Army. The fans and the club are one of the same. That is how it is, that is why football is fecking brilliant. They play in a league with other English teams, each steeped in history and each representing their communities. For 305m the Saudi's have bought that history, identity and taken it for their own. With the promise of new signings they have fans selling their soul and apologising for things they have little comprehension or understanding because now the Saudi's are one of them. When in fact what makes a NE bloke tick is the antipathy of KSA.

Maclaren is a car brand aimed at the mega rich who's ownership has long included a French-Saudi Arabian and latterly by the Bahranian SWF who obviously were happy for the capital injection. PIF didn't even need to buy into a team they could have formed their own unlike football. The comparison is like chalk and cheese.

The fan base is also so different - middle Class rich parents take their kids to Grand Prix's and buy F1 merchandise. These same parents did not write to MP's, put Saudi flags on their social media profiles, abused Khasoggi's fiance and played "What-about" Bingo to get the Saudi sale approved.

You can throw as many examples at me (SABIC, Uber, Disney, Man Utd, Sheff Utd, City) but the only comparable is PSG and that is in a different league. This takeover is unique and will f**k football as we know it.

 

[Old Money]

I can understand when Newcastle are picked out for such heavy criticism which other clubs, businesses and sports are not that their fans knee jerk reaction is extreme. Whether they are really meaning to defend the Saudi regime or are just lashing out against the double standards criticism of their club I don’t know.

The PIF have put £400m into McClaren F1 team, which is more than they did Newcastle, but I do not see Lando Norris being called Isis or the team being criticised like Newcastle are.

So whilst I do not like what some Newcastle fans are saying in the slightest and how some are defending the regime, I do understand why they are reacting like they are when being picked out unfairly compared to everything else the Saudis have invested in or own.

This is not an F1 forum it is a football forum and as stated before and I will continue to state -

Your lot are complicit in this regimes despotic actions, so fuck now

 

[Bears Beets]

And what difference does that make? Kids still wear baseball caps and Lando shirts etc.

Oh well that’s alright then. Kids watch Disney as well.

Imagine selling out to scum. Your morals, your community, history. Your club has gone, it’s Saudi’s now.

 

[UpTheDuff]

Very few would have that spin on it.

Football is our national game. NUFC were founded in 1892 and are the lifeblood of the city. They go onto the pitch and represent the City of Newcastle. People from Newcastle travel the country and (previously) Europe singing Toon Army. The fans and the club are one of the same. That is how it is, that is why football is fecking brilliant. They play in a league with other English teams, each steeped in history and each representing their communities.

Maclaren is a car brand aimed at the mega rich who's ownership has long included a French-Saudi Arabian and latterly by the Bahranian SWF who obviously were happy for the capital injection. PIF didn't even need to buy into a team they could have formed their own unlike football. The comparison is like chalk and cheese.

The fan base is also so different - middle Class rich parents take their kids to Grand Prix's and buy F1 merchandise. These same parents did not write to MP's, put Saudi flags on their social media profiles, abused Khasoggi's fiance and played "What-about" Bingo to get the Saudi sale approved.

You can throw as many examples at me (SABIC, Uber, Disney, Man Utd, Sheff Utd, City) but the only comparable is PSG and that is in a different league. This takeover is unique and will f**k football as we know it.

It may well f*ck football, which is why I am against it. I would hope Saudi money is unwelcome and support for the regime absent amongst middle classes and the rich as the much working class…note I am the one criticising all Saudi economic links whilst your are the one trying to make excuses for them.

This is not an F1 forum it is a football forum and as stated before and I will continue to state -

Your lot are complicit in this regimes despotic actions, so fuck now

Christ. A) I have no skin in the game and Newcastle are not ‘my lot’. B) see my posts above saying I want the U.K. to cut all economic and diplomatic links with Saudi Arabia, across the board, not just football.

Does anyone on here actually care at all about Saudi money in the U.K. and how much trade we do with them, or is it just about Newcastle..?

 

[Malloy]

It may well f*ck football, which is why I am against it. I would hope Saudi money is unwelcome and support for the regime absent amongst middle classes and the rich as the much working class…note I am the one criticising all Saudi economic links whilst your are the one trying to make excuses for them.


Christ. A) I have no skin in the game and Newcastle are not ‘my lot’. B) see my posts above saying I want the U.K. to cut all economic and diplomatic links with Saudi Arabia, across the board, not just football.

Does anyone on here actually care at all about Saudi money in the U.K. and how much trade we do with them, or is it just about Newcastle..?

Bravo you've spun this one fantastically.

 

[Bear Heed]

No, and I have never defended those fans and agree it is abhorrent and have criticised them in that thread.

But I understand why some of them are lashing out like that when it is clear their club is being picked for criticism which other U.K. businesses and sports drenched in Saudi money are not.

See my post above - I am against the takeover and the economic links this country has (even relies on?) with Saudi Arabia and it’s murderous regime.

Seems like because I think all Saudi money in the U.K. is bad rather than just some of it, I am being slated…which makes no sense.


Live in London. Because I work in a job which means reading the FT and Economist and general economic and business research. BAE’s exports are some of the UK’s largest and Sabic’s £1billion inward investment announcement last month is one of the biggest for years…so it’s just general working knowledge.

You can see that the Saudis entirely own NUFC and can do anything they choose with the club.

That's not the same as McClaren is it?

Newcastle have a chairman who is Saudi, do McClaren?

 

[Dilligaf60]

You can see that the Saudis entirely own NUFC and can do anything they choose with the club.

That's not the same as McClaren is it?

Don’t they keep yelling at everyone to focus on the football? Have McLaren got a footy team. (How’s that for a bit of classic magaboutery)

 

[Secret Visage]

No, and I have never defended those fans and agree it is abhorrent and have criticised them in that thread.

But I understand why some of them are lashing out like that when it is clear their club is being picked for criticism which other U.K. businesses and sports drenched in Saudi money are not.

See my post above - I am against the takeover and the economic links this country has (even relies on?) with Saudi Arabia and it’s murderous regime.

Seems like because I think all Saudi money in the U.K. is bad rather than just some of it, I am being slated…which makes no sense.


Live in London. Because I work in a job which means reading the FT and Economist and general economic and business research. BAE’s exports are some of the UK’s largest and Sabic’s £1billion inward investment announcement last month is one of the biggest for years…so it’s just general working knowledge.

Bot.off.

 

[Malloy]

You can see that the Saudis entirely own NUFC and can do anything they choose with the club.

That's not the same as McClaren is it?

Calm down he's on our side, doesn't agree with Saudi money across the board and has never defended NUFC fans that agree with it, he just wants us to stop criticism of NUFC fans who do because he thinks we don't care about the Saudi issue, only because its Newcastle.

 

[mackem35]

Came across this, sorry if seb but MBS paid 450 million dollars (more than what he paid for nufc) for a painting what isnt what it claimed to be. Bit like buying what you think is a football club on a par with inter milan. The bit at the end about human rights js interesting as to where a lit if the money to buy this painting cane from. It must hurt your pride somewhat to think you have paid all that money and its a bit shit and then he does it again with the mags.

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