ALL NUFC and Sportwashing stuff in here. (Threads will be merged)

[DJP]

ill say now no way will EH see out his full contract

As soon as Everton ditch Benitez then Howe is history and all the Mags will be saying, "Wuh didn't want Howe in the forst place".

 

[Wayne The Punk]

I hope we get promoted, just to play these wankers next season

 

[OzzyMac]

Investment:
“We will inject our own money into the January transfer window. We are committed to investing in this club. We do not need sponsorship revenue to do that. We’ve already invested £38million [of equity] last week and we’ll invest whatever we need to enter into the transfer window. So we’re not stupid.” -Amanda Staveley

So they've told you that they've invested 38 million. What on? Paying off Bruce and cleanung the windows at the landfill?

Communication:
Can you give an example of this no substantive speak? The new owners have communicated with the fans, staff and media through public appearances, interviews and statements more so than the previous owner, which was my point.

Stavely has appeared and spoken words, hollow words anarl. If this is communication then we were the luckiest club in the world with Donald and Methven.
Any reason why your 80% owners and not their lackies haven't spoken to the fans, staff and media? After all, they're the ones with the cheque book.

 

[Mr Clarko]

As I have all the manager data to hand here is EH's Prem record. His L2/L1/Champ record is not relevant when determining how he fairs against Prem teams. His win rate is 29.47% and his draw rate is 22.63%. If he reproduces these averages with a team without a win, who concede twice as many as they score then they will get 35 points and likely go down. It is laughable to suggest he can produce a win rate of 41.83%. If you really think that is the case put a tenner on each game as he would be expected to win 11 of them.

Season	P	EH-W	EH-D	EH-L	EH-F	EH-A	Points	EH Win ratio	EH-Draw
2015-16	38	11	9	18	45	67	42	28.95%	23.68%
2016-17	38	12	10	16	55	67	46	31.58%	26.32%
2017-18	38	11	11	16	45	61	44	28.95%	28.95%
2018-19	38	13	6	19	56	70	45	34.21%	15.79%
2019-20	38	9	7	22	40	65	34	23.68%	18.42%
	Average=	11.2	8.6	18.2	48.2	66	42.2	29.47%	22.63%

For comparison Bruce averaged 30.26% in 18/19 &19/20 compared to EH's 28.95%. I am not saying Bruce is better but just because EH looks good in a V-neck, has typed his notes up into Word, is able to use Premiere Pro and gets to work at 630am doesn't make him the saviour.

I didn't ask for the PL statistics, I asked why we should ignore over half of their careers...

'His L2/L1/Champ record is not relevant when determining how he fairs against Prem teams'

Of course it is... It's the same job... His approach, tactical knowledge/approach, coaching, man management, style of play, philosophy, analysis and so on, all carry over. Why did Brighton hire Graham Potter?

'It is laughable to suggest he can produce a win rate of 41.83%'

I never suggested that he will/can produce a win rate of 41.83% for Newcastle... I said he had a win rate of 43.83% of his career, because guess what? He does.

It’s a more accurate comparison

Needless to say accuracy, and its cousin reality, are kryptonite to your lot

Not really, they managed significantly different teams with significantly different budgets, against significantly different opponents, in significantly different eras.

 

[OzzyMac]

I didn't ask for the PL statistics, I asked why we should ignore over half of their careers...

'His L2/L1/Champ record is not relevant when determining how he fairs against Prem teams'

Of course it is... It's the same job... His approach, tactical knowledge/approach, coaching, man management, style of play, philosophy, analysis and so on, all carry over. Why did Brighton hire Graham Potter?

'It is laughable to suggest he can produce a win rate of 41.83%'

I never suggested that he will/can produce a win rate of 41.83% for Newcastle... I said he had a win rate of 43.83% of his career, because guess what? He does.

Not really, they managed significantly different teams with significantly different budgets, against significantly different opponents, in significantly different eras.

It's nowhere near the same job. Are egos the same in the PL as league 1? Can he manage players who believe that they are god?

In league 1 or the championship are his sides constantly coming up against the best players and managers in the country?

It's like saying that driving a f***ing taxi in Iceland is the same as driving a taxi in India

 

[Mr Clarko]

So they've told you that they've invested 38 million. What on? Paying off Bruce and cleanung the windows at the landfill?

Stavely has appeared and spoken words, hollow words anarl. If this is communication then we were the luckiest club in the world with Donald and Methven.
Any reason why your 80% owners and not their lackies haven't spoken to the fans, staff and media? After all, they're the ones with the cheque book.

I'm not quite sure what the £38 million was spent on, do you have any actual evidence of where that money went? Either way, it's investment. Again, what has Staveley said that you can prove to be 'hollow'?

 

[Dobblemackem]

As I have all the manager data to hand here is EH's Prem record. His L2/L1/Champ record is not relevant when determining how he fairs against Prem teams. His win rate is 29.47% and his draw rate is 22.63%. If he reproduces these averages with a team without a win, who concede twice as many as they score then they will get 35 points and likely go down. It is laughable to suggest he can produce a win rate of 41.83%. If you really think that is the case put a tenner on each game as he would be expected to win 11 of them. In order to achieve 40 points EH needs to perform at a higher rate than he has ever done before in the Prem.

Season	P	EH-W	EH-D	EH-L	EH-F	EH-A	Points	EH Win ratio	EH-Draw
2015-16	38	11	9	18	45	67	42	28.95%	23.68%
2016-17	38	12	10	16	55	67	46	31.58%	26.32%
2017-18	38	11	11	16	45	61	44	28.95%	28.95%
2018-19	38	13	6	19	56	70	45	34.21%	15.79%
2019-20	38	9	7	22	40	65	34	23.68%	18.42%
	Average=	11.2	8.6	18.2	48.2	66	42.2	29.47%	22.63%

For comparison Bruce averaged 30.26% in 18/19 &19/20 compared to EH's 28.95%. I am not saying Bruce is better but just because EH looks good in a V-neck, has typed his notes up into Word, is able to use Premiere Pro and gets to work at 630am doesn't make him the saviour.

It’s all well and good looking at numbers, and if this wasn’t such an irregular situation it’s a fair argument, but let’s be honest it probably won’t be.

If the squad stayed as us until the end of the season, his record would mirror Bournemouth, but the murderers will give him money.

If it was the summer I reckon your looking at silly amounts, but the markets always tougher in January. That being said let’s say they hoy 200 million at it. Regardless of how poor some of Howes signings have been, he can’t spunk all of that, it will get him a few decent players, and addit what they already have and his win percentage will increase on his career average no doubt. Chances are it’ll keep the bastards up.

The best chance we have to get a laugh at them realistically is if players shut up shop or refuse to do business with them in January. That would see them drop.

Won’t happen though, money talks and we know these spawns bastards always get the good luck to outweigh our bad.

 

[OzzyMac]

I'm not quite sure what the £38 million was spent on, do you have any actual evidence of where that money went? Either way, it's investment. Again, what has Staveley said that you can prove to be 'hollow'?

Lets start with your own post shall we.

“We will inject our own money into the January transfer window. - Hollow words as the January window hasn't come yet

We are committed to investing in this club. Another hollow sound bite

We do not need sponsorship revenue to do that. Yet can't wait for the sports direct signage to come down. Why would that be perchance? I'm thinking sponsporship revenue.

We’ve already invested £38million [of equity] last week and we’ll invest whatever we need to enter into the transfer window. Again, what 38 million, another sound bite.

 

[Mr Clarko]

It's nowhere near the same job. Are egos the same in the PL as league 1? Can he manage players who believe that they are god?

In league 1 or the championship are his sides constantly coming up against the best players and managers in the country?

It's like saying that driving a f***ing taxi in Iceland is the same as driving a taxi in India

Do you have data comparing the 'egos' on PL players compared to L1 players?

When Eddie Howe was in League 1 his side was constantly coming up against the best players and managers in League 1, when he was in the Championship his sides were constantly coming up against the best players and mangers in the Championship... Will Howe only be allowed to use the players he had at his disposal at Bournemouth in 2008 when he manages Newcastle? Or will he also have and be able to use a squad full of capped international players? (Incredibly silly point)

Believe it or not, a taxi is a taxi whether you're in Iceland or India... Again, incredibly silly.

 

[Deleted member 1169]

I didn't ask for the PL statistics, I asked why we should ignore over half of their careers...

'His L2/L1/Champ record is not relevant when determining how he fairs against Prem teams'

Of course it is... It's the same job... His approach, tactical knowledge/approach, coaching, man management, style of play, philosophy, analysis and so on, all carry over. Why did Brighton hire Graham Potter?

'It is laughable to suggest he can produce a win rate of 41.83%'

I never suggested that he will/can produce a win rate of 41.83% for Newcastle... I said he had a win rate of 43.83% of his career, because guess what? He does.

Not really, they managed significantly different teams with significantly different budgets, against significantly different opponents, in significantly different eras.

You have tripped yourself up. EH had a win rate of 56.5% in the Champ but it halved to 28.95% the next season. They scored 2.1 goals per game but that drops to 1.2, they concede 1 goal per game but that increases to 1.8. But no " His approach, tactical knowledge/approach, coaching, man management, style of play, philosophy, analysis and so on, all carry over"

Some more stats for you based on last three delegations. Based on 1st 11 games in the last relegated seasons the mags have fewer wins (not hard) and have conceded more goals.

	P	W	D	L	F	A	Pts	Win Rate
1988-89	11	2	2	7	9	22	8	18.2%
2008-09	11	3	3	5	14	18	12	27.3%
2015-16	11	1	4	6	12	22	7	9.1%

 

[Mr Clarko]

Lets start with your own post shall we.

“We will inject our own money into the January transfer window. - Hollow words as the January window hasn't come yet

We are committed to investing in this club. Another hollow sound bite

We do not need sponsorship revenue to do that. Yet can't wait for the sports direct signage to come down. Why would that be perchance? I'm thinking sponsporship revenue.

We’ve already invested £38million [of equity] last week and we’ll invest whatever we need to enter into the transfer window. Again, what 38 million, another sound bite.

Yeah, you're not actually giving any reasoning or evidence as to how or why what she is saying is hollow, you're just copying her quote and saying it's hollow... Again...

 

[OzzyMac]

Do you have data comparing the 'egos' on PL players compared to L1 players?

When Eddie Howe was in League 1 his side was constantly coming up against the best players and managers in League 1, when he was in the Championship his sides were constantly coming up against the best players and mangers in the Championship... Will Howe only be allowed to use the players he had at his disposal at Bournemouth in 2008 when he manages Newcastle? Or will he also have and be able to use a squad full of capped international players? (Incredibly silly point)

Believe it or not, a taxi is a taxi whether you're in Iceland or India... Again, incredibly silly.

FFS, if you can't see the logic then theres no hope. Then again why did i even for 1 minute think that you might

Yeah, you're not actually giving any reasoning or evidence as to how or why what she is saying is hollow, you're just copying her quote and saying it's hollow... Again...

You're the knacker that provided her quote. Where is the proof that any of what she said is more than sound bites?

 

[Mr Clarko]

You have tripped yourself up. EH had a win rate of 56.5% in the Champ but it halved to 28.95% the next season. They scored 2.1 goals per game but that drops to 1.2, they concede 1 goal per game but that increases to 1.8. But no " His approach, tactical knowledge/approach, coaching, man management, style of play, philosophy, analysis and so on, all carry over"

Some more stats for you based on last three delegations. Based on 1st 11 games in the last relegated seasons the mags have fewer wins (not hard) and have conceded more goals.

	P	W	D	L	F	A	Pts	Win Rate
1988-89	11	2	2	7	9	22	8	18.2%
2008-09	11	3	3	5	14	18	12	27.3%
2015-16	11	1	4	6	12	22	7	9.1%

So one season he outperformed his average and the next he underperformed... How does that change the job again? He was still a football manager right? Why are we ignoring most of his career? Where did I trip up?

FFS, if you can't see the logic then theres no hope. Then again why did i even for 1 minute think that you might

You're the knacker that provided her quote. Where is the proof that any of what she said is more than sound bites?

If it's logic then you should be able to explain it like I did, but you can't... I provided her quote as EVIDENCE of the new owners investing in the club, do you have ANY evidence that she lied? No. Therefore, not hollow.

 

[Deleted member 1169]

So one season he outperformed his average and the next he underperformed... How does that change the job again? He was still a football manager right? Why are we ignoring most of his career? Where did I trip up?

I don't know what you do for work or what your statistical training is but there is a statistical significant difference in mean between EH's win ratio in the Prem and out of Prem. This is a fact that cannot be argued. You need a Black Swan if Newcastle are going to stay up.

Lets start with your own post shall we.

“We will inject our own money into the January transfer window. - Hollow words as the January window hasn't come yet

We are committed to investing in this club. Another hollow sound bite

We do not need sponsorship revenue to do that. Yet can't wait for the sports direct signage to come down. Why would that be perchance? I'm thinking sponsporship revenue.

We’ve already invested £38million [of equity] last week and we’ll invest whatever we need to enter into the transfer window. Again, what 38 million, another sound bite.

I am very interested in the last point. If they invested 38m of equity then inorder to maintain the 80/10/10 structure AS and RB's would have needed to put in 3.8m each. Did they? If not their equity is diluted and will be diluted further if the do not match PIF funds going forward. If they did inject equity we should see a companies house announcement soon else AS is throwing buzz words out to appease the masses.

 

[Redandwhitedust]

In what way?

League 1 under 23's coach - Check
Out of work manager who's last gig saw his former club relegated - check
Saying the right words with no substance - check

Have i missed anything? Please feel free to elaborate on how things have improved for you?

The windows have been cleaned

 

[Mr Clarko]

I don't know what you do for work or what your statistical training is but there is a statistical significant difference in mean between EH's win ratio in the Prem and out of Prem. This is a fact that cannot be argued. You need a Black Swan if Newcastle are going to stay up.

'but there is a statistical significant difference in mean between EH's win ratio in the Prem and out of Prem. This is a fact that cannot be argued'

I didn't argue that did I? I asked for a valid reason as to why you want to disregard ~62% of the data...

 

[Deleted member 1169]

'but there is a statistical significant difference in mean between EH's win ratio in the Prem and out of Prem. This is a fact that cannot be argued'

I didn't argue that did I? I asked for a valid reason as to why you want to disregard ~62% of the data...

Regime shift/structural break/irrelevant. They data tells you so.

 

[Thatheaderman]

Think Beheddie got a nice few fixtures over coming weeks with Brentford Norwich and Burnley. Then the hammerings start after xmas.

Pretty much need to win those nice few fixtures or the towels go back in the drawer.

 

[ilovehorswill]

Not really, they managed significantly different teams with significantly different budgets, against significantly different opponents, in significantly different eras.

So instead of the biggest equivalence of results in the same league you’ve chosen budgets, opponents and eras instead.

“What aboot…”

 

[Redandwhitedust]

Communication, investment and the managing/coaching staff have already been improved in the first 5 weeks of the new ownership. Good start.

All new owners start off with this model.

George Reynolds talked or a new stadium (and eventually invested in it!), communicated with the fans, talked of progression and "a new era", spent money on players.... as you say "a great start".

Didn't really end all that well.

If results don't improve or the January spend isn't good enough, and relegation is likely. Some fans will turn and thats when owners stop communicating.