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ALL NUFC and Sportwashing stuff in here. (Threads will be merged)

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Your owner was a firm friend of Epstein and presides over a regime that allows old men to force little girls to marry them. Your fans celebrated his arrival at your club by dressing up as him and holding up pictures of him, or attaching flags of said regime to your twitter profiles. That's before we get onto George Ormond. Jog on.
 

Foe any of the mags saying we would be the same, when that mad storey bloke tried to take over with his outlandish views we didn't stand outside the stadium protesting, that was him. We didn't send petitions off to parliament to get him in, we didn't go to the local political party to try and get them to sell the club to some loon. Again I think that was story himself. These have sold their soul for an attempt at some silverware they think they are so entitled to
 
Foe any of the mags saying we would be the same, when that mad storey bloke tried to take over with his outlandish views we didn't stand outside the stadium protesting, that was him. We didn't send petitions off to parliament to get him in, we didn't go to the local political party to try and get them to sell the club to some loon. Again I think that was story himself. These have sold their soul for an attempt at some silverware they think they are so entitled to
Yeah im pretty sure our twitter lot told him to fuck off. We certainly didn't compare him to princess Di
 
I've noticed that a new line that has clearly come from Saudi controlled accounts (and picked up by their new cult) is that any journalist who speaks out against the new owners has an issue with women running football clubs.

I mean the irony is off the scale. But is another tactic being used to quieten the dissenting voices.
That shit will probably get off the ground with the wooden heeds up the road but it won’t make the runway anywhere else. If the Saudis can’t see that then they aren’t as smart as they think they are and are simply preaching at the converted. We all know their fans are balls deep. They are only a small percentage of fans and the public in general who are alert to this. That’s where their problems lie. These are the people they need to convince and they haven’t got a cat in hells chance. The best case scenario for them is it goes away and people lose interest. They’ve got large sections of the media helping with this, but in spite of all that it won’t go away. If they want to own a business outright in this country, especially a high profile one, one that has so much emotional attachment, they better get used to the shit coming their way. What they forgot or in their arrogance ignored is that as members of the public there’s little we can do about the decisions made by governments as to whom they do business with. This is different, they have presented every protest group, and indeed every member of the public with a once in a lifetime opportunity to actually kick back at a murderous despotic regime. I hope its taken advantage of.
 
That shit will probably get off the ground with the wooden heeds up the road but it won’t make the runway anywhere else. If the Saudis can’t see that then they aren’t as smart as they think they are and are simply preaching at the converted. We all know their fans are balls deep. They are only a small percentage of fans and the public in general who are alert to this. That’s where their problems lie. These are the people they need to convince and they haven’t got a cat in hells chance. The best case scenario for them is it goes away and people lose interest. They’ve got large sections of the media helping with this, but in spite of all that it won’t go away. If they want to own a business outright in this country, especially a high profile one, one that has so much emotional attachment, they better get used to the shit coming their way. What they forgot or in their arrogance ignored is that as members of the public there’s little we can do about the decisions made by governments as to whom they do business with. This is different, they have presented every protest group, and indeed every member of the public with a once in a lifetime opportunity to actually kick back at a murderous despotic regime. I hope its taken advantage of.

On twitter they are saying it's harsh that journo comparing her to the lion and he should apologise.

I know they like to re-write history but haway.. past 2 years they have been calling Bruce a fat cabbage heed and the past 12 years been calling Ashley the fat controller.

Denis wise a midget or some shit then they say its not on to comment on looks.

They have actually turned into the charicture of a stupid mag. I'm not even sure if they see it as the media constantly blows smoke up their arse.

Every other club can see it though.
 
Exactly. Like I say I wouldn't walk away from Sunderland. Some would but most wouldn't. I wouldn't like them being owners but I'd be optimistic about the football side. That doesn't mean they have to jump to their defence constantly though. Daft thing is, a lot have said "we'll use this takeover to engage with them". Fine, do it. But you don't do it by sucking their arseholes on twitter. You do it by reminding them that they've bought into Newcastle, but the other way round. Any time there's an atrocity you say you're disgusted that it's been carried out by people involved in your club. You try your best to deliver the message that Newcastle is an inclusive, welcoming city and that a lot of the things that go on in their country is wholly incompatible. The Saudis wouldn't give a fuck of course, but at least you'd be using your voice. Or stay silent if you aren't that militant / arsed, but certainly don't fawn over the fuckers. They're probably all scared that the Saudis might fuck off and they'll be irrelevant again
That’s exactly what they are afraid of.
 
On twitter they are saying it's harsh that journo comparing her to the lion and he should apologise.

I know they like to re-write history but haway.. past 2 years they have been calling Bruce a fat cabbage heed and the past 12 years been calling Ashley the fat controller.

Denis wise a midget or some shit then they say its not on to comment on looks.

They have actually turned into the charicture of a stupid mag. I'm not even sure if they see it as the media constantly blows smoke up their arse.

Every other club can see it though.
The journalist was only publishing a Poocastle fan's letter. It was a Poocastle fan that said she looked like a lion's mott.
 

You're "seeing it" as us saying you're giving them money. I haven't seen a single post suggesting it, not one, you're inventing a straw man. Every post I've seen is about the sportswashing and legitimising of the Saudi regime, which people don't do by riding an uber.
The fans aren't sports washing.
If it's not the fans that's being attacked then that's fine.
If you're attacking the Saudi Arabian regime then fair enough.
I this the case?
 
The fans aren't sports washing.
If it's not the fans that's being attacked then that's fine.
If you're attacking the Saudi Arabian regime then fair enough.
I this the case?
The Saudis are sportswashing. The fans (not all) who shout down arguments about the regime with "what about uber, you're just as bad" are doing the exact same job that the Saudi state created their twitter troll farm for. To shout down, dilute and disrupt discussion or criticism. The ones with Saudi flags in avatars, or who bring Saudi flags to games, wear Saudi dress etc are helping to legitimise them, it's showing that they (and by extension their actions) are tolerated in a liberal city. If you're a fan who just watches their club, doesn't stick up for or promote the Saudi regime, and doesn't get involved in whataboutery then I've got no axe to grind (pardon the choice of phrase). If people do want to discuss or protest about the Saudis blatantly buying a football club to help sportswash their image then it shouldn't be derailed by legions of Newcastle supporters. I'm not attacking normal mags who probably dislike the Saudi regime, aren't on social media defending it but who are still going to go and watch their club, I'd do the same. I wouldn't want the Saudi regime owning safc but I'd be fucked if I was going to let them take my club from me.
 
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Then the entire country should rise up and oust everything Saudi...right?
All the arguments could stop.
If everyone refuses to buy anything the PIF or Saudi's are invested in, no matter how tiny or large then we can sort it out. Would you agree?
And is it feasible?
Until their crimes are even more covered by the media, and possibly we have a change of government, it wont happen - at the current level it has already gone too far to be easily reversible and they have been allowed to be an 'unblemished' trade partner and arms purchaser from the UK. In your case widespread action would spell disaster of course as they may be forced to sell up. But the immoral position the UK funds itself in is about money over morals and sportswashing is a distinct area which is about putting an acceptable face on their activities, downplaying them and even denying them.

And this is where it becomes a big issue and why I say I can't do anything about it and nor could a set of fans. It's bigger than that. It's a wider issue, country wide for starters as you mention.
I'm also not arguing about them sports washing.

They have so far broken even on this at best, given the adverse publicity it has generated, but have bought themselves a 10,s of thousands of willing puppy dogs eager to rpomote them and make death threats to the relatives of their victims

Puppy dogs may be the case for some but for most I would suggest Newcastle United football club comes first in terms of focus, not Arab states...etc.
As for death threats, it's obviously not on but that's an absolute minority, don't you think? And it does not just apply to Newcastle United fans.
, to portary rape, persecution and bombing of childrens buses as "Its anither kultur man" or "it nivver happened" or just plain "Wharrabout".
I would hazrd a guess that most people are 100% against any of this. Unfortunately there's always some from all walks of life.
Our bsusiness has refused to accept tarde from Saudis for over a decade and we're far from alone, but of course, it's not enough and sportswashing is a huge and distinct leap in the opposite direction.
Money talks and morals are definitely subjective.
 
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