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Howard the Duck said:
More double standards, hypocrisy and attempted deflection from you I see.

Post in thread 'Who would absolutely not want?'
Who would absolutely not want?


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The Mags and money...

Or do ‘Cabbage Head’ and ‘Fat Fuck’ not count as making fun of how people look? Or does it just not count when you say it? Or does it just not count when it’s not at a time when you’re clawing around for false equivalence, whataboutism and distraction from the fact you’re all rapturously greeting a despotic, backwards, murderous regime as your saviours.
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Noticed the mag bastard hasn't replied to this 1

@Nukehasslefan
 

Nukehasslefan said:
Yep, they apparently own 80%.

No. I'm happy being a Newcastle United fan and supporter like I've always been.
I don't condone atrocities, no matter what.

That's not my fault and it's certainly something I can do nothing about. It's down to those that can, which are governments and people in power.



I don;t defend them but if you think being a Newcastle fan is defending them then you must also have a go at everyone who buys into anything they are part of. And I mean anything and everything.
I take it you've ensured you've never partaken in anything they are part of...right?

Nah...I don't. I've never said it once.
People like yourself do that for me.

Honestly doubting is one thing. Knowing it for sure will only come to the fore if your club every have dealings with the PIF in any capacity.

I think all fans of all clubs want their clubs to be playing against the elite clubs.
I'm sure you are waiting for the day your club play against them and hopefully be part of that set up....right?

Not at all. Some may think that but I've been around long enough to understand mediocrity as a main dish since my overall time being a fan and supporter.

I think we all sell our morals if that's the case. The only difference is in who thinks their morals are more intact.
It's like telling lies.
If you tell a big lie and are found out you're a big liar. If you tell many small lies you're a fibber. In all counts a person is still a liar.
The issue comes down to categories and how those categories are perceived by those who see their own traits in whatever category.
This is all this arguing stuff is about.

Of course you do. You hate Newcastle United and I understand that. Deep down you know there's a chance most fans will follow their club. regardless.

And that means those companies are complicit and also anyone that buys into those companies are also complicit.
Just like the lie. It doesn't exonerate anyone based on smaller percentage size.


You're trying to argue the smaller lie analogy I gave, as if it hands back morals. If it's morally bad to support your football club because it's 80% owned then it's equally morally bad to support anything even if it's 0000000000000000.1% owned.

No but that applies to anything. I''m a Newcastle United fan and I'm not in love with the Saudi's.


Are they still fans?

Newcastle fans support Newcastle United football club and the team at any given time is part of it. It doesn't mean most fans are agreeing with Saudi Arabian ethics.

I'm not defending him.

When you want to hit me with this stuff don;t expect anything different. It's all about subjective morals and a basic hatred of Newcastle United by some.
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I stopped reading that as it began getting boring and repetitive. I may have the wrong end of the stick but OK, if you hate your regime that's fine.
I have lots of sympathy for mags who hate the fact MBS is their owner
The uber/moral thing is just f***ing ridiculous though mate. Just give it a rest. There is nothing anyone can do to stop anyone buying a publicly listed company. And morals, most people arent saying don't support Newcastle. I know a few on here may , but the majority of people don't expect that.
What has shocked the UK is the defence of MBS by a lot of your fans. That's what's sickening. When people get in a uber they don't do it defending MBS. It's the most ridiculous whataboutery ever.
If I floated my company on the stock exchange, and I'm the salt of the earth, don't kill journalists and that, and MBS bought 1 share, so then people should stop using my company. Don't be so f***ing stupid. People can be unhappy that MBS bought this 1 share but there is nowt I or anyone can do about it. And you bringing up this point just highlights your stupidly tbh , as then you're saying that no company should be listed on the stock exchange as if MBS buys one share the company should be blacklisted or else you have no morals. What an absolutely idiotic take on things. Grow up man.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
That basically is where I'm concerned.

A small way means nothing. If you are, you are.

I see it as that.

No, not at all.
The fans are doing what fans do. They're being fans of the club.
If a few support the Saudi regime in their country then that's their choice but is not to be labelled the choice of the majority.

Irrelevant. This is just an excuse. If you tar one set you tar the rest, including yourself if you partake in anything to do with it.

And that's exactly what I'm doing. Nothing more than that.

The argument still stands.


If you and others stop quoting me and stop having a go at opposing fans then I'll happily stop. Otherwise I'll fight my corner.

Carry on doing what you think's best but don't expect no counter arguments.
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You're "seeing it" as us saying you're giving them money. I haven't seen a single post suggesting it, not one, you're inventing a straw man. Every post I've seen is about the sportswashing and legitimising of the Saudi regime, which people don't do by riding an uber.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Then the entire country should rise up and oust everything Saudi...right?
All the arguments could stop.
If everyone refuses to buy anything the PIF or Saudi's are invested in, no matter how tiny or large then we can sort it out. Would you agree?
And is it feasible?
BigPete said:
Huge difference and you know it.
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I don't think so.
BigPete said:
You mags see yourselves and high and mighty maybe you could be the straw that broke the camels back and actually do something considering they own you and don't just invest.
But no we can't do anything?
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We can't do anything as a small unit.
To do anything would take a full city and then some. You know this and you also know it's just not feasible because whatever morals people believe they have for certain issues can be thrown out of the window for others.

BigPete said:
The club who protest every other week sometimes, nope nothing at all :lol:
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Yep, it's hypocritical. I certainly won;t deny this but it comes down to subjective morality, as I explained, yet it applies to just about all, if not all people.
BigPete said:
Plus the fact that you begged them to buy the club in the first place.
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I didn't. I didn't want a blank cheque owner. I wanted fairness for every club in every league but the FA are anything but and it's came down to what's good for the goose.
It's a case of ride with the devil in terms of wanting what the elites have but unfortunately we've got a lot more on top of that in terms of the PIF taking on a large portion of the club and catapulting the club and fans into the highest pedestal for attacking.

You can argue with me all day long about it if you want but you know if you want rid of these people then it has to be all across the entire country and everything we are a country of people, deal with.
BigPete said:
Rightfully looked down on.
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That's life.
 
Matt Hopkins said:
It's not linked to any illness she has it's plastic surgery that's done that.
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Huntington's disease brain changes lead to alterations in mood, especially depression, anxiety, and uncharacteristic anger and irritability. Another common symptom is obsessive-compulsive behavior, leading a person to repeat the same question or activity over and over.

Though to be fair it could be argued she's showing symptoms associated with Huntingtons
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Fair enough, I only mentioned her illness as a couple of people have referred to it when criticising the comments about her appearance so I wasn’t sure if there was a link.

Regardless, there’s still no need for those comments and they just act to dilute the genuine criticism that can be levelled at her.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Then the entire country should rise up and oust everything Saudi...right?
All the arguments could stop.
If everyone refuses to buy anything the PIF or Saudi's are invested in, no matter how tiny or large then we can sort it out. Would you agree?
And is it feasible?
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Until their crimes are even more covered by the media, and possibly we have a change of government, it wont happen - at the current level it has already gone too far to be easily reversible and they have been allowed to be an 'unblemished' trade partner and arms purchaser from the UK. In your case widespread action would spell disaster of course as they may be forced to sell up. But the immoral position the UK funds itself in is about money over morals and sportswashing is a distinct area which is about putting an acceptable face on their activities, downplaying them and even denying them. They have so far broken even on this at best, given the adverse publicity it has generated, but have bought themselves a 10,s of thousands of willing puppy dogs eager to rpomote them and make death threats to the relatives of their victims, to portary rape, persecution and bombing of childrens buses as "Its anither kultur man" or "it nivver happened" or just plain "Wharrabout". Our bsusiness has refused to accept tarde from Saudis for over a decade and we're far from alone, but of course, it's not enough and sportswashing is a huge and distinct leap in the opposite direction.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
I'm starting to the this Newcastle fan lad is just a wind up. Its obvious to anyone with a brain that there's a difference between using a service that the Saudis might have 1% ownership of and having them be the very public face, and complete control, of your football club. They invest in companies purely to try and make profit as they know the oil won't last forever. That's different from using a football club to try and sportswash their atrocities, to make people think of Newcastle rather than Yemen or Khashoggi when they think of Saudi. Any success for their club (which I'm not even convinced they'll get) will be seen around the world as Saudi success, bought and paid for and that they could have done at any club they rocked up at. He also keeps banging on about "I'm just a fan", I haven't seen many /anyone suggesting he should stop supporting his club. The suggestion is simply that you could support your club whilst also calling out the owners in much the same way they constantly called out Ashley. If he doesn't want to then fair enough, but unsure why we're getting hundreds of posts from the lad telling us the same thing. That and the flat earth shit make me think he's a pure WUM and probably not worth engaging with
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He’s spent over two years on here doing the same thing. Maybe longer as I doubt it’s his first log in. In an event he’s not worth engaging with. Just posts the same old garbage over and over. Like his fellow idiots, they have to there’s nothing else. Best he’s ignored and left to wither on the vine.
 
Met a palace fan last night and he was scathing about the mags and their away fans the other week

said they were all wandering around south London dressed up as saudis and even the non football supporting folk were like “who the fuck are these morons”

sports”washing” more like smearing yourself with shit
 
StanleyRednWhite said:
Noticed the mag bastard hasn't replied to this 1

@Nukehasslefan
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Nukehasslefan said:
Nukehasslefan said:
Then the entire country should rise up and oust everything Saudi...right?
All the arguments could stop.
If everyone refuses to buy anything the PIF or Saudi's are invested in, no matter how tiny or large then we can sort it out. Would you agree?
And is it feasible?

I don't think so.

We can't do anything as a small unit.
To do anything would take a full city and then some. You know this and you also know it's just not feasible because whatever morals people believe they have for certain issues can be thrown out of the window for others.


Yep, it's hypocritical. I certainly won;t deny this but it comes down to subjective morality, as I explained, yet it applies to just about all, if not all people.

I didn't. I didn't want a blank cheque owner. I wanted fairness for every club in every league but the FA are anything but and it's came down to what's good for the goose.
It's a case of ride with the devil in terms of wanting what the elites have but unfortunately we've got a lot more on top of that in terms of the PIF taking on a large portion of the club and catapulting the club and fans into the highest pedestal for attacking.

You can argue with me all day long about it if you want but you know if you want rid of these people then it has to be all across the entire country and everything we are a country of people, deal with.

That's life.
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And again @Nukehasslefan
Howard the Duck said:
More double standards, hypocrisy and attempted deflection from you I see.

Post in thread 'Who would absolutely not want?'
Who would absolutely not want?


Post in thread 'The Mags and money...'
The Mags and money...

Or do ‘Cabbage Head’ and ‘Fat Fuck’ not count as making fun of how people look? Or does it just not count when you say it? Or does it just not count when it’s not at a time when you’re clawing around for false equivalence, whataboutism and distraction from the fact you’re all rapturously greeting a despotic, backwards, murderous regime as your saviours.
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offmenut said:
Look , PIF are the face of your club.
And you're happy about it and wear tea towels on your head even though you know your owners kill journalists, kill Yemeni kids, kidnaps and kills anyone who talks negatively about the state. Your owners have one of the worst human rights records in the world. They make Qatar look like mother Theresa.
And you're happy and defend them.
You spend so much time on a rivals message board trying to get over how it's OK to be happy that they own you.
If they took over SAFC or any other club I honestly doubt that our fans or other fans would defend them and say 'whatabout'.
It just wouldn't happen. But mags are so desperate to be in the elite. It's where you think you have a god written right to be, and you want to be there by any means necessary.
You've sold your morals in the blink of an eye.
I honestly think no other clubs fans would behave like you lot. Honesty, no one would.

The regime that owns you buys into other companies to make a profit. You can't stop them buying shares in the stock market. They are also not the face of these companies.
If they were and they owned say Uber, I'm pretty sure people would stop using uber.
Or at least not be happy about it. When folk fill up with petrol do you think they're in love with the Saudis?

Boxing fans aren't happy about boxing being in Saudi. F1 fans are disgusted.
Newcastle fans can still support the team without defending the regime.

MBS is the owner of your club. He is the face of your club. He is one of the most evil despots in the world. And you lot are defending him. Stop the whataboutery.
Its disgusting.
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