ALL NUFC and Sportwashing stuff in here. (Threads will be merged)

[BigPete]

Desperate to be the “best” supporters they go the extra mile often making complete tits of themselves.

I mean a few sets of supporters made a coffin with their club’s name on to protest about the “death of their club”. It’s dramatic and over the top, alcohol can do that.

But to this day, only one club planned out an entire f***ing funeral complete with vicar and ceremony thinking “gerrin, they’ll show us on Sky Sports and everyone will love us”

Thats why do it attention seeking.

Bunch of needy knackers

 

[samaistonsrightfoot]

The difference has been pointed out loads of times. I don't really care if a crap regime invests money in uber or Disney. I'd rather they didn't, but they aren't using these investments to try and mask or deflect from their atrocities at home, they're simply investing to make money. Investing in a football team is completely different. They own them, they're the face of Newcastle. If they get any success, people will link that to the Saudis, it'll be their success. When someone mentions the Saudis you won't think of Yemen or khashoggi as quickly, a lot of people will think about Newcastle. They, as a club, will continue to support rainbow laces / taking the knee etc to give a veneer of respectability. Again, people will think "they can't be all bad". All the while they continue to persecute and murder in their country. A minor shareholding in a major company doesn't have this effect at all, especially as barely anyone knows who or what they invest in at any one time and the investments are generally very small.

Football clubs are meant to represent the people and the community in which they're based. The Saudis don't give a fuck about Newcastle. Given its reputation as a party and drinking city they no doubt think they're infidel scum, they'd arrest just about every mag if they were in Saudi Arabia, they detest the community. I don't care if a bit part investor in a taxi company I use think that of me, but I wouldn't want the owner of my football club thinking it.

I'm not one who thinks the mags should all turn their back on their club, I wouldn't turn my back on Sunderland tbh. I certainly wouldn't wear Saudi dress, fly their flag or try to justify or explain their actions though. I'd know they didn't give a fuck about me, so why would I be their mouthpiece? They'd be using my club to improve their reputation, I'd see them as undesirable owners who might bring us some bought success. But to compare it to other investments is naive at best.

It's the same mate. I mean look how many Disney plus subscribers are dressing up as Saudis, chanting bloodmoney, attacking Amnesty International, mocking journalists widows, reporting journalists (and flags) to police and releasing instructions on how to militorize a twitter army to attack any social commentary about Saudi atrocities.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

He's referring to your weak argument about PIF investing in Disney etc. anyone can do that, we could all have the same stock portfolio as PIF only on a far far smaller scale. They don't own these companies you're referring to however, which means you and your fans that are toeing the same line are wasting your time, it's nonsense.

It's far from a weak argument.

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

Are Tesla part of the PIF or any atrocious regime that you know of? If not then there's no issue.
Buying one share in any company that has ties (in any form) to the regime you argue against, then that's when the morality and hypocrisy starts.
If this isn't you then you're ok to argue it in the belief you're not playing any part.

Sweet Jesus. You really aren't grasping it, are you?
Did this lad and his mates sign a petition demanding Saudi ownership of any company they invest in?
Does anyone who watches Disney films or rides in an Uber take to social media to vehemently defend Saudi Arabia's involvement and cite other companies they may be involved with, claiming bitterness if anyone criticises the regime?

You being on here and deflecting with every other post are doing exactly what they pay thousands of "flies" to do round the clock. You ARE now Saudi Arabia, own it, embrace it, wear the tea towel.

 

[ilovehorswill]

This isn't about percentages being higher or lower.
If you partake in anything PIF are part of whether it's 00000000000000000.1% or 20%/50%/80% or 100% you're still buying into it.

When I’m losing an argument I too like to double down on my own stupidity

 

[Pants]

“Saudi investors pump $144m into London’s office market:

Arab investors have invested £1.2 billion ($1.68 billion) in London’s office real estate market since 2018, with Saudi Arabia accounting for £103 million, according to industry data.”

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And most recently, another Saudi investment up there in the North East which dwarfs the Newcastle deal:

“Saudi Arabia's SABIC to invest at Teesside plant in northeast England:

The British government said that Saudi petrochemical firm Saudi Basic Industries Corp (SABIC) would invest nearly 1 billion pounds ($1.37 billion) at its Teesside facility in northeast England with the aim of decarbonisation.

"Fantastic to see nearly £1 billion invested in @SABIC's Teesside facility, creating and safeguarding 1,000 jobs," British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in a

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Like it or not, the U.K. is awash with Saudi money. Either allow it all, including Newcastle, or reject it all. To pick out one investment (Newcastle) for special criticism looks more like jealousy than concern about human rights.

People have criticised these investments. Read the first link you posted.

Most of these deals, however, will have been through the open market with no way of stopping them. The EPL's fit and proper test could have prevented this takeover and they failed miserably. That's why they are getting shit.

The workers and clients of the businesses they have invested in are pawns in the KSA's game to win power and influence over our lives here. They've bought NUFC in a cynical ploy to sportswash their image. That's why this investment has rightly come under such scrutiny.

Newcastle's fans should have been victims of this ploy to use their club for sportswashing. However, they have been enthusiastically and actively complicit in it on a massive scale, including their 110,000 name petition to bring the horrible twats in in the first place. I haven't seen the workers or clients from any of their other investments dancing about with teatowels on their heads or engaging in mass scale deflection and whataboutery to try and paint the KSA as something other than the evil they are. That's why their fans are rightly getting shit for it. Some mags will be genuinely upset by this takeover. They are, sadly, few and far between.

I hope this helps you understand why Newcastle are getting shit. It's not because Amnesty International are jealous.

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

This isn't about percentages being higher or lower.
If you partake in anything PIF are part of whether it's 00000000000000000.1% or 20%/50%/80% or 100% you're still buying into it.
If you don't buy into any of it and buy into nothing from any country that commit bad/terrible/atrocious acts then you have a stronger argument.


No. It makes them part owners. But you can argue 1005 owners if you wish. It's all still down to percentages.
Arguing a lesser percentage in something keeps morals higher is basically not an argument.

If they feed into them and it is allowed it tars them all, including those who partake in what's on offer by those companies.
Subjective morality.

I don't know what I come over as. All I can do is answer in the manner I think suits.
That answer will not suit those arguing against me, obviously,


If I want to argue the points like you are then I'll argue that I don't care for the regime but I am a Newcastle United fan and supporter of the club.
If that puts me into the bracket of condoning atrocities by people then there's nothing I can do about that. People willd ecide what they decide, regardless.


My morals are subjective like the morals of everyone.
Would you say all your morals are intact with no subjectiveness?

Your argument about uber etc only makes sense if our sole criticism is that you're giving money to the Saudis. At that point you could claim that, in a very small way, so are we. That isn't our argument though. Our argument is that your fans are allowing your club to be used to mask the atrocities they carry out, you're helping to legitimise a brutal regime. People who use a company that the Saudis own a tiny fraction of aren't doing that because the Saudis don't own a tiny bit of uber to improve their reputation. That's why hardly anyone knows they invest in them. So the two aren't comparable at all.

Again, if all you do is support your club and you're going to keep going then you're fine as far as I'm concerned, I'd do the same. But loads of you are either actively helping the Saudis quest to improve their image by praising them, defending them, displaying Saudi flags etc, or are trying to deflect any criticism of them with "what about uber?". You've said you don't really support the Saudis but will keep supporting Newcastle, just f***ing do it then, stop coming on here with your shite about uber. If most of your fans just did that, and some of the more political ones actively asked the NUFC trust to continually raise human rights issues since they've bought into your club and it affects your reputation as well then I'd have absolutely no issue with your support on this issue

 

[BigPete]

Newcastle's fans should have been victims of this ploy to use their club for sportswashing.

They went about it the totally wrong way.

Sucked them off then presenter their backsides like a cat on heat waiting and complaining that can't be fucked.

Well now you have, deal with it.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Are Tesla part of the PIF or any atrocious regime that you know of? If not then there's no issue.
Buying one share in any company that has ties (in any form) to the regime you argue against, then that's when the morality and hypocrisy starts.
If this isn't you then you're ok to argue it in the belief you're not playing any part.

Sweet Jesus. You really aren't grasping it, are you?

Absolutely I grasp it.

Did this lad and his mates sign a petition demanding Saudi ownership of any company they invest in?

This isn't an issue I'm arguing.

Does anyone who watches Disney films or rides in an Uber take to social media to vehemently defend Saudi Arabia's involvement and cite other companies they may be involved with, claiming bitterness if anyone criticises the regime?

Do all Newcastle fans and the people of Newcastle?

You being on here and deflecting with every other post are doing exactly what they pay thousands of "flies" to do round the clock. You ARE now Saudi Arabia, own it, embrace it, wear the tea towel.

I am me. Newcastle United football club is the club I am a fan of and support. That's it. I will own what I say..

When I’m losing an argument I too like to double down on my own stupidity

Fair enough if that's what you do.
I'm not losing any argument with this so I'm ok.

 

[Mr B]

Sweet Jesus. You really aren't grasping it, are you?
Did this lad and his mates sign a petition demanding Saudi ownership of any company they invest in?
Does anyone who watches Disney films or rides in an Uber take to social media to vehemently defend Saudi Arabia's involvement and cite other companies they may be involved with, claiming bitterness if anyone criticises the regime?

You being on here and deflecting with every other post are doing exactly what they pay thousands of "flies" to do round the clock. You ARE now Saudi Arabia, own it, embrace it, wear the tea towel.

It’s time for you to press ‘Ignore’ with this fella, I did it a few days ago as I just couldn’t bare any more of his drivel.

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

This isn't about percentages being higher or lower.
If you partake in anything PIF are part of whether it's 00000000000000000.1% or 20%/50%/80% or 100% you're still buying into it.
If you don't buy into any of it and buy into nothing from any country that commit bad/terrible/atrocious acts then you have a stronger argument.


No. It makes them part owners. But you can argue 1005 owners if you wish. It's all still down to percentages.
Arguing a lesser percentage in something keeps morals higher is basically not an argument.

If they feed into them and it is allowed it tars them all, including those who partake in what's on offer by those companies.
Subjective morality.

I don't know what I come over as. All I can do is answer in the manner I think suits.
That answer will not suit those arguing against me, obviously,


If I want to argue the points like you are then I'll argue that I don't care for the regime but I am a Newcastle United fan and supporter of the club.
If that puts me into the bracket of condoning atrocities by people then there's nothing I can do about that. People willd ecide what they decide, regardless.


My morals are subjective like the morals of everyone.
Would you say all your morals are intact with no subjectiveness?

In this country, certain company laws state those with a majority shareholding (51%) are the ones making the decisions

Are Tesla part of the PIF or any atrocious regime that you know of? If not then there's no issue.
Buying one share in any company that has ties (in any form) to the regime you argue against, then that's when the morality and hypocrisy starts.
If this isn't you then you're ok to argue it in the belief you're not playing any part.

Absolutely I grasp it.

This isn't an issue I'm arguing.

Do all Newcastle fans and the people of Newcastle?

I am me. Newcastle United football club is the club I am a fan of and support. That's it. I will own what I say..

You really will argue that black is white won't you? You really are owning what you're saying, that being part of one of the biggest sportswashing/PR campaigns of all time. You are representing them by doing what you're doing on here, YOU not all Newcastle fans, YOU.

 

[Dilligaf60]

I asked something about women's rights in SA and she blocked me

That’s all she can do. She can’t argue. They haven’t got one single argument to support their position that can’t be comprehensively dismantled with facts. Not one. They are so f**ked and they know it.

I've just looked back through my tweets and I said she was a disgrace to fellow women and journalists

You weren’t wrong, so what’s her problem.

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

It’s time for you to press ‘Ignore’ with this fella, I did it a few days ago as I just couldn’t bare any more of his drivel.

I think you're right mate. My 8 year old isn't as stubborn as this fella that they're right, despite plenty evidence to the contrary

 

[gipetto]

It's far from a weak argument.

bizarre.

 

[Matt Hopkins]

In fairness, I don’t agree with mocking her appearance.

Criticise her for being so self-absorbed and greedy that she is prepared to work with misogynistic, homophobic, barbaric murderers to achieve her ambitions.

I’m not sure what the need is to have a dig at the way she looks, especially if it’s linked to an illness.

It's not linked to any illness she has it's plastic surgery that's done that.

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[legend7]

In this country, certain company laws state those with a majority shareholding (51%) are the ones making the decisions

You really will argue that black is white won't you? You really are owning what you're saying, that being part of one of the biggest sportswashing/PR campaigns of all time. You are representing them by doing what you're doing on here, YOU not all Newcastle fans, YOU.

He thinks the world is flat and space doesn't exist mate.
You're wasting your time arguing with him.

 

[ilovehorswill]

Absolutely I grasp it.

You’re grasping at straws and you know it

Do you think the gherst of St Bobby is looking down on you with pride?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Your argument about uber etc only makes sense if our sole criticism is that you're giving money to the Saudis.

That basically is where I'm concerned.

At that point you could claim that, in a very small way, so are we.

A small way means nothing. If you are, you are.

That isn't our argument though.

I see it as that.

Our argument is that your fans are allowing your club to be used to mask the atrocities they carry out, you're helping to legitimise a brutal regime.

No, not at all.
The fans are doing what fans do. They're being fans of the club.
If a few support the Saudi regime in their country then that's their choice but is not to be labelled the choice of the majority.

People who use a company that the Saudis own a tiny fraction of aren't doing that because the Saudis don't own a tiny bit of uber to improve their reputation. That's why hardly anyone knows they invest in them. So the two aren't comparable at all.

Irrelevant. This is just an excuse. If you tar one set you tar the rest, including yourself if you partake in anything to do with it.

Again, if all you do is support your club and you're going to keep going then you're fine as far as I'm concerned, I'd do the same.

And that's exactly what I'm doing. Nothing more than that.

But loads of you are either actively helping the Saudis quest to improve their image by praising them, defending them, displaying Saudi flags etc, or are trying to deflect any criticism of them with "what about uber?".

The argument still stands.

You've said you don't really support the Saudis but will keep supporting Newcastle, just f***ing do it then, stop coming on here with your shite about uber.

If you and others stop quoting me and stop having a go at opposing fans then I'll happily stop. Otherwise I'll fight my corner.

If most of your fans just did that, and some of the more political ones actively asked the NUFC trust to continually raise human rights issues since they've bought into your club and it affects your reputation as well then I'd have absolutely no issue with your support on this issue

Carry on doing what you think's best but don't expect no counter arguments.

 

[BigPete]

including memory, concentration, judgment

No wonder she is in the bed with the Saudis then

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

He thinks the world is flat and space doesn't exist mate.
You're wasting your time arguing with him.

Spot-on mate. I'll bow-out as he's exhausting, this fella