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Guinness Guzzler said:
Fuck knows. He's got to keep the act relevant as well. Currently people aren't enjoying his content or thinking it's original. I'd wager at least half his views are from people laughing at him. He's quite obviously a f***ing weirdo and a complete sad act. At least I could see why mags listened to the true geordie, this little twat will get tiresome very quickly even for their fans. I'd knack my lad if he left uni to hang around a training ground like a f***ing freak
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Aye, he's just not very good bless and definitely a bit weird!
Howard the Duck said:
In fairness, not much as he’s barely earning over the personal allowance.
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Ha ha aye, still enough money to buy his toon tops, get to his matches and pay his Mam £20 a week board 😂
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
Yep, they apparently own 80%.

No. I'm happy being a Newcastle United fan and supporter like I've always been.
I don't condone atrocities, no matter what.

That's not my fault and it's certainly something I can do nothing about. It's down to those that can, which are governments and people in power.



I don;t defend them but if you think being a Newcastle fan is defending them then you must also have a go at everyone who buys into anything they are part of. And I mean anything and everything.
I take it you've ensured you've never partaken in anything they are part of...right?

Nah...I don't. I've never said it once.
People like yourself do that for me.

Honestly doubting is one thing. Knowing it for sure will only come to the fore if your club every have dealings with the PIF in any capacity.

I think all fans of all clubs want their clubs to be playing against the elite clubs.
I'm sure you are waiting for the day your club play against them and hopefully be part of that set up....right?

Not at all. Some may think that but I've been around long enough to understand mediocrity as a main dish since my overall time being a fan and supporter.

I think we all sell our morals if that's the case. The only difference is in who thinks their morals are more intact.
It's like telling lies.
If you tell a big lie and are found out you're a big liar. If you tell many small lies you're a fibber. In all counts a person is still a liar.
The issue comes down to categories and how those categories are perceived by those who see their own traits in whatever category.
This is all this arguing stuff is about.

Of course you do. You hate Newcastle United and I understand that. Deep down you know there's a chance most fans will follow their club. regardless.

And that means those companies are complicit and also anyone that buys into those companies are also complicit.
Just like the lie. It doesn't exonerate anyone based on smaller percentage size.


You're trying to argue the smaller lie analogy I gave, as if it hands back morals. If it's morally bad to support your football club because it's 80% owned then it's equally morally bad to support anything even if it's 0000000000000000.1% owned.

No but that applies to anything. I''m a Newcastle United fan and I'm not in love with the Saudi's.


Are they still fans?

Newcastle fans support Newcastle United football club and the team at any given time is part of it. It doesn't mean most fans are agreeing with Saudi Arabian ethics.

I'm not defending him.

When you want to hit me with this stuff don;t expect anything different. It's all about subjective morals and a basic hatred of Newcastle United by some.
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Another morning deflection-fest. Begone, sportswashed helmet….
 
John the Savage said:
What other stuff do they own? Apart from a 1% share in Uber? We get most of our fuel from Norway, the US and Canada. Everyone with an iota of political awareness has been aware of the House of Saud’s human rights abuses for decades, they’re right up there with the worst despotic regimes on the planet.They own 80% of your club and over 100k of you wrote a Letter begging them to come- that’s the difference.
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It is, unfortunately, the least transparent sovereign investment fund so there is no register of their investments. However it is pretty common knowledge that they are one of several big investors in U.K. critical infrastructure, and own as much of London and Manchester as the Russians and Chinese.


“Here is a summary of some of the major Gulf investments in the UK:

Saudi Arabia: £60 billion

Most of the Kingdom’s investments have been funnelled through its Public Investment Fund, which is chaired by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the Kingdom’s de facto ruler.

Last year, it bought a £598 million ($824 million) stake in oil giant British Petroleum (BP), as well as British Telecom (BT) as part of its “bargain hunting spree”. Saudi investors also have holdings in Anglo-Dutch oil giant Shell.

Saudi businessman Mohamed Abuljadayel, who has ties to a state bank in the Kingdom, owns a third of media outlets The Independent and Evening Standard.

There are also joint ventures with HSBC and Jaguar Land Rover, while Kingdom Holding Company holds a majority stake in the Savoy Hotel in central London. Apps like Twitter, Uber and Snapchat are partially Saudi-funded too.

Millions in donations are targeted at leading universities like Oxford, Cambridge, and the London School of Economics (LSE).”

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Mackem2017 said:
Yes well done Newcastle fans, if there’s one thing Newcastle fans are known for its standing up for women hahahahahaha fkn joker

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Barely a month in and women are no longer equals.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
So why isn't there a public outcry?
Like I said earlier, if the whole of the country feels this isn't right then why aren't they shutting all of it down, not just the Newcastle part of it?

So therefore it's happened, so what can be done other than everyone against it stop aiding and abetting it?
It's just too easy to use Newcastle fans as lacking in morals when most of the country is doing exactly the same.
Peegee said:
We criticise it and get delegitimised as just being sad Mackems.
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You're entitled to criticise. If this was your club Newcastle fans would be hammering you.
Peegee said:
Other fans have created anti-ownership signs like in the Crystal Palace case and get reported to the police for a ‘hate crime’.
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That's the country we now live in, unfortunately.
Peegee said:
The LGBT groups from other clubs speak out and they get similar abuse and journalists get vilified for bringing up human rights and not just tweeting about transfer targets.
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This isn't just down to Newcastle fans though.
Peegee said:
Kashoggi’s lover gets abuse when his execution is brought up. Can’t you see your fanbase is problematic and a part of the problem in challenging the issues around all this?
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Those who are having a go at people like this are wrong and shouldn't be doing it but this isn't a majority case of Newcastle fans.
The trouble is if one fan does something bad or 10 or 20, rivals and many other fans ready to wade in, will use that as an entire battering ram for the entire fan base.
It's the nature of the beast and always likely will be because sections of people will do whatever is required and revel in it.
It's not specific to Newcastle fans.
Peegee said:
On the whole why can’t we ALL get to together and help improve and ‘re-educate’ and help modernise Saudi Arabia.
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Why don't we?
We could equally argue us all getting together to stop all wars and all atrocities throughout the world and have fair play for all.
What do you think?
Peegee said:
Get your head out of the backside and realise that we ain’t going to change thousands of years of Saudi misogynistic and homophobic ideology based around the literal readings of their religion of choose over a cup of tea or through a rainbow laces campaign.
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Exactly.
Peegee said:
What you COULD have done is stopped them taking over in the first place and then there would be no issue to deal with in the first place.
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Me, alone?
The entire city?
Just the fans who go?
Here's something for you.
Do the PIF have any other interests in England?
Do the people who have small stakes in the PIF have any interests in England?
For over 10 years certain fans tried everything to rid the club of Mike Ashley. Why did they fail?

Why don't you get everyone together and rid our club of the PIF control.
If people like yourself do it and the main of the country get behind you, surely that should rid the club of them...right?
Peegee said:
What you say about Cultural relativism is correct, we have to accept as a different culture they will have differing culture norms and attitudes, what we don’t have to do is let them into the Premier League and let a group closely linked to an alleged state sponsored murderer run a football club.
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Ok then I'm happy enough to have new owners if people feel so strongly but you have to understand that Newcastle fans are not going to be able to be coaxed into doing anything as it stands if the rest of the country won't stand up.
It's easy to talk but actions do speak louder than words, yet actions will only change something if the action is combined throughout the country.

We supposedly have a government and councils, etc who can do something. Why aren't they?
Because morals are extremely subjective and they are us are all hypocrites.
 
Mackem2017 said:
Yes well done Newcastle fans, if there’s one thing Newcastle fans are known for its standing up for women hahahahahaha fkn joker

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Aside from everything what I will never get is the blatant inconsistencies they're all displaying, let's be kind to Mandy which I agree with but let's not care about people being killed and murdered who incidentally are Mandy's friends and pals.

It's akin to someone crashing into your car deliberately then goin "woah no need to become aggressive mate we've all got insurance, where's your morals"
 
Super Mario said:
Aside from everything what I will never get is the blatant inconsistencies they're all displaying, let's be kind to Mandy which I agree with but let's not care about people being killed and murdered who incidentally are Mandy's friends and pals.

It's akin to someone crashing into your car deliberately then goin "woah no need to become aggressive mate we've all got insurance, where's your morals"
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I don't think the insults on her appearance sit right with me, but you make an excellent point.

Kids getting bombed, rape victims stoned, beheadings, subjugation of women 🇸🇦 :
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UpTheDuff said:
It is, unfortunately, the least transparent sovereign investment fund so there is no register of their investments. However it is pretty common knowledge that they are one of several big investors in U.K. critical infrastructure, and own as much of London and Manchester as the Russians and Chinese.


“Here is a summary of some of the major Gulf investments in the UK:

Saudi Arabia: £60 billion

Most of the Kingdom’s investments have been funnelled through its Public Investment Fund, which is chaired by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the Kingdom’s de facto ruler.

Last year, it bought a £598 million ($824 million) stake in oil giant British Petroleum (BP), as well as British Telecom (BT) as part of its “bargain hunting spree”. Saudi investors also have holdings in Anglo-Dutch oil giant Shell.

Saudi businessman Mohamed Abuljadayel, who has ties to a state bank in the Kingdom, owns a third of media outlets The Independent and Evening Standard.

There are also joint ventures with HSBC and Jaguar Land Rover, while Kingdom Holding Company holds a majority stake in the Savoy Hotel in central London. Apps like Twitter, Uber and Snapchat are partially Saudi-funded too.

Millions in donations are targeted at leading universities like Oxford, Cambridge, and the London School of Economics (LSE).”

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“Saudi investors pump $144m into London’s office market:

Arab investors have invested £1.2 billion ($1.68 billion) in London’s office real estate market since 2018, with Saudi Arabia accounting for £103 million, according to industry data.”

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And most recently, another Saudi investment up there in the North East which dwarfs the Newcastle deal:

“Saudi Arabia's SABIC to invest at Teesside plant in northeast England:

The British government said that Saudi petrochemical firm Saudi Basic Industries Corp (SABIC) would invest nearly 1 billion pounds ($1.37 billion) at its Teesside facility in northeast England with the aim of decarbonisation.

"Fantastic to see nearly £1 billion invested in @SABIC's Teesside facility, creating and safeguarding 1,000 jobs," British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in a
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Like it or not, the U.K. is awash with Saudi money. Either allow it all, including Newcastle, or reject it all. To pick out one investment (Newcastle) for special criticism looks more like jealousy than concern about human rights.
 
UpTheDuff said:
“Saudi investors pump $144m into London’s office market:

Arab investors have invested £1.2 billion ($1.68 billion) in London’s office real estate market since 2018, with Saudi Arabia accounting for £103 million, according to industry data.”

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And most recently, another Saudi investment up there in the North East which dwarfs the Newcastle deal:

“Saudi Arabia's SABIC to invest at Teesside plant in northeast England:

The British government said that Saudi petrochemical firm Saudi Basic Industries Corp (SABIC) would invest nearly 1 billion pounds ($1.37 billion) at its Teesside facility in northeast England with the aim of decarbonisation.

"Fantastic to see nearly £1 billion invested in @SABIC's Teesside facility, creating and safeguarding 1,000 jobs," British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in a
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on Wednesday evening.”

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Like it or not, the U.K. is awash with Saudi money. Either allow it all, including Newcastle, or reject it all. To pick out one investment (Newcastle) for special criticism looks more like jealousy than concern about human rights.
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The key being they invest in lots of businesses. They do however own the mags outright which is a huge difference.
 
kingkeane said:
The key being they invest in lots of businesses. They do however own the mags outright which is a huge difference.
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Don’t see the difference personally, but if that’s your justification for being happy with Saudi money investing widely in the U.K. then that’s fine.
 
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