Why are putting up with medoricty

[Cox Green Fc]

True, however wanting this club to actually better the 7th place finish under Reid, which would mean European football, or even a cup win, league cup for example a chance at something bigger etc, I can’t see having ambitions as a bad thing, or wanting the club to share and live up to those ambitions as a bad thing ether to be Honest.

Yes true but, in all honesty, i just look back to even when we were last in the prem (excluding moyes season) and it was 1000 times better than where we are now imho

 

[kildaremackem]

Me also, if we actually showed some ambitions at that level we would win more at that level.

we showdedloads of ambitio last time in the prem...huge spending huge wGE bill

 

[Emcon]

if kld meant donald was an asset stripper..why is he content to be in business with him now?

Its a fair question and maybe the uncomfortable answer is KLD is just a different kind of asset stripper and one that is richer and as such is more patient and also more insulated than Donald.

 

[kildaremackem]

Its a fair question and maybe the uncomfortable answer is KLD is just a different kind of asset stripper and one that is richer and as such is more patient and also more insulated than Donald.

there arent any assets to strip really..
i think klfd was referring to the dell people as the asset strippersrather than donald

 

[Butcher's Coat]

Is this thread part of National Dyslexia Week (DNA )???
Along with the title, some posts are very hard to make sense of.
Doesn't anyone bother to re-read before posting?

 

[robbied1]

To what though? Be 14th in the PL?
I’d rather we win a trophy and push for promotion. I don’t care if we lose to Rotherham and Portmouth once or twice. Being in contention is miles better than getting beat every week. We’ve been an nobody in the PL, it was shit. We will be there again and we’ll be relegated again, all within the next 20 years. The PL is getting more and more closed off. By the time we get back there it’ll be the top 10 closed off

So you'd rather win the pizza cup and challenge for league 1 promotion than finish 14th in the prem?

 

[CissesUnderpants9]

we showdedloads of ambitio last time in the prem...huge spending huge wGE bill

Nah, we didn’t there’s a difference it being happy with 17th, and spend tones of cash, Bruce’s best season looked like ambition, and maybe Martin O’Neil getting that 13th place finish a year later looked to be on the right track then all change with Di Fanti and Congers, some rather interesting signings their which produced, a 17th place finish, a year later with poyet 14th and then Advocatt 16th i believe, and then finally half a season under big Sam when we looked like we had finally cracked it, then in comes moyes, and the rest is history. Bottom half of the premier isn’t top 10 now is it.

 

[kildaremackem]

Nah, we didn’t there’s a difference it being happy with 17th, and spend tones of cash, Bruce’s best season looked like ambition, and maybe Martin O’Neil getting that 13th place first a yeah later looked to be on the right track then all change with Di Fanti and Congers, some rather interesting signings their which produced, a 17th place finish, a year later with poyet 14th and then Advocatt 16th i believe, and then finally half a season under big Sam when we looked like we had finally cracked it, then in comes moyes, and the rest is history. Bottom half of the premier isn’t top 10 now is it.

the season we came 17th we had the a top ten in the oremier league wage bill..ambition does not equal outcome..the wage bill was a sign of the ambition. they were no less ambitious the season we came 17th than the season we came tenth. SAFC fans need to get it intp their heads that more almsot all of the last 15 years owners have spent lavish sums on the club...lack of money hasnt been the probe, except perhaps the champo relegation season..every other year money has been lavished on footballers..the problem has been competence.

 

[redgauntlet]

Get a manager in who knows what he’s doing!
Before anyone asks ‘who?’, I don’t know. I’ve suggested two solid lower league stalwarts, one who’s had us promoted before, and most disagreed, so best I say nowt!

I didn’t want him either, now the expected has happened just as last season. We can’t go up with beatings like we just had and look at the quality opposition.

 

[CissesUnderpants9]

the season we came 17th we had the a top ten in the oremier league wage bill..ambition does not equal outcome..the wage bill was a sign of the ambition. they were no less ambitious the season we came 17th than the season we came tenth. SAFC fans need to get it intp their heads that more almsot all of the last 15 years owners have spent lavish sums on the club...lack of money hasnt been the probe, except perhaps the champo relegation season..every other year money has been lavished on footballers..the problem has been competence.

Yet that’s exactly what I mean for all the cash, the squad on the pitch didnt match it with high enough finish’s, we had an incompetent management stucture, at the time, which went from O’Neil being allowed to sign who he wanted to, Directors of football with no clue, and when at last we got allardyce, we then replace him with the man who had failed at Manchester United, and then went on to tell fans two games into that final season we were gonna get relegated, and then, wallop it happened, the lesson here is it doesn’t matter how much you chuck on the table, what matters is if you have the right people with direction and will to spend it and push the team in the right direction towards success.

 

[kildaremackem]

Yet that’s exactly what I mean for all the cash, the squad on the pitch didnt match it with high enough finish’s, we had an incompetent management stucture, at the time, which went from O’Neil being allowed to sign who he wanted to, Directors of football with no clue, and when at last we got allardyce, we then replace him with the man who had failed at Manchester United, and then went on to tell fans two games into that final season we were gonna get relegated, and then, wallop it happened, the lesson here is it doesn’t matter how much you chuck on the table, what matters is if you have the right people with direction and will to spend it and push the team in the right direction towards success.

oneil allardyce and moyes were ambitious managerial appointments

 

[CissesUnderpants9]

oneil allardyce and moyes were ambitious managerial appointments

I will give you, O’Neil and Allardyce, but I think, we could of gone down a different road instead of moyes, in the present however, I do wonder what the plan is, and how long we are sticking with it, for example has Johnson got to the end of his contract are we pushing the title this year or happy enough with play offs again, and most importantly come the January window can reinforcement’s be expected or are we going with what we currently have, is there a plan for his replacement if not etc, just a few thoughts.

 

[oddbod]

if kld meant donald was an asset stripper..why is he content to be in business with him no

I guess you will know better than me but dont you have to own more than 90% of the shares before you can force someone to sell (in a takeover situation) the three amigos are hanging around for the promise of cream cream albeit i guess it will be that it will be Casu Marzu by the time they get their reward.I doubt KLD is content with the three amigos hanging around!

 

[GtoQ]

I would take mediocrity...what we are putting up with is a disgrace really

 

[Mr Clarko]

Bore off mag.

So you agree with my argument, disagree with @---Nemo--- "argument", but you won't @ or directly reply to either of us because you don't want to agree with a "mag"... Childish that.

I'd never heard of him when he rocked up here so I checked his previous. From memory all three clubs were battling against relegation, he rescued the situation, took two of them to their highest finish for ten years or so which got him noticed and ultimately headhunted. Both Barnsley and Bristol paid out compensation packages to land him. He did reasonably well at Bristol but ultimately failed to take them to the promised land and was sacked. If you look at his record I think it's safe to suggest he's improved every side he's managed and that he's an average championship manager. I don't even think it's contentious TBH.

'Did he? He didn't stay at Oldham and Barnsley very long, meaning the data set isn't great in terms of size to give a definitive, valid answer. I mean when he took over at Barnsley, the club had just been relegated to League One, they were already severely underachieving under Danny Wilson who had them 16th (and that's after being relegated from the Championship in the previous season), could he do any worse? Lee Johnson took Barnsley from 16th to 11th (from Feb 2015 to May 2015) and then in the 15/16 season he left them in 12th position (Feb 2016) before Paul Heckingbottom took over and actually got them promoted IN THAT SAME SEASON. You could argue Lee Johnson held them back.'

 

[kildaremackem]

I guess you will know better than me but dont you have to own more than 90% of the shares before you can force someone to sell (in a takeover situation) the three amigos are hanging around for the promise of cream cream albeit i guess it will be that it will be Casu Marzu by the time they get their reward.I doubt KLD is content with the three amigos hanging around!

well i think your right about that..but the narrative on here, which is one I have sympathy with, is that donakd just wanted a uick profit...so he wouldnt need to be foreced to sell if offered the cash? so why hasnt he been offered the cash?

 

[Kent Boy 2]

im rferring to the last spell in the prem. 40k wasthe average, even with ludicrously cheap tickets..if the club cat get 45k in the prem with ludcirously cheap tickets then the stadium is too big. harking back to he first season in the SOL or to two seven placed fisnihes ads bieng the codniiotns..then the club has too big a stadium.

im rferring to the last spell in the prem. 40k wasthe average, even with ludicrously cheap tickets..if the club cat get 45k in the prem with ludcirously cheap tickets then the stadium is too big. harking back to he first season in the SOL or to two seven placed fisnihes ads bieng the codniiotns..then the club has too big a stadium.

Don’t talk nonsense. I’m not harking back to anything. I’m talking about cold hard facts, shown over the clubs 142 year history. Put a half decent team playing half decent football onto the pitch, and the crowds will follow in numbers that very few clubs can do more than dream about. You haven’t been a supporter of the club during a period like that, so you don’t really know about it. If we were doing what Wolves, West Ham, Brighton are doing then the ground would be full, and if we did it consistently the ground would need extending.

 

[kildaremackem]

Don’t talk nonsense. I’m not harking back to anything. I’m talking about cold hard facts, shown over the clubs 142 year history. Put a half decent team playing half decent football onto the pitch, and the crowds will follow in numbers that very few clubs can do more than dream about. You haven’t been a supporter of the club during a period like that, so you don’t really know about it. If we were doing what Wolves, West Ham, Brighton are doing then the ground would be full, and if we did it consistently the ground would need extending.

the probme is the definition of half decet..if your saying the club can only expect a sell out of it comes top ten in the premier league then the stadium is too big. Especially given the 40k average happened with ludicrously cheap tickets..sold below the market rate.

 

[Foggers]

Too many people make excuses for the club

So this.
The ixnay on criticism that started during Reid's good years has become pervasive. In recent times fans and expectation seem a go to cop-out - shouldn't come here if you're going to play that card, stay at a smaller club. For the club to be what its been for the last 50years when no other similar sized club has been so labouring probably means people inside are doing something wrong.

Murray's comments on the comparison to Boro's owner pumping money in and NUFC being a 'vibrant city' pricier tickets etc. I had sympathy for but tended to feel "so, do something about it" if that meant look for other investment then do it. A bit harsh but its kinda our duty to push the club forward.

 

[Kent Boy 2]

the probme is the definition of half decet..if your saying the club can only expect a sell out of it comes top ten in the premier league then the stadium is too big. Especially given the 40k average happened with ludicrously cheap tickets..sold below the market rate.

You don’t know much about ‘your’ clubs relatively recent history do you? We had 11 sell out crowds in a Championship season with no cheap ticket program the last time we had a half decent side playing half decent football.