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Why are putting up with medoricty

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kildaremackem said:
we never filled the stadium in the premier league on a regualr basis..we did when big name teams arrived but not all the time. the average gate in the premier league was 40k, an impressive number, but but than 10 per cent below capacity, and empty seats do not help. Ad a look at the matchday revenue generated by safc in that era shows we made less than most in the leaguefrom it..so had less money than them, so it didnt help us at all
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As was Roker Park in it's heyday was similar - the big crowds made the profit.

Good seats for the Sunderland Empire Cinema are only a 5th of a non-season card seat at the SOL -back in the 70's/80's they were roughly comparable in price - maybe something couldbe done for poorer families.
 
kildaremackem said:
nowt wrong with a club spending money. if its the clubs money..but safc is potless. The owner isnt but relying on the owener is follish and rarely works long term. Secondly, spending money, while not the root of all evik is not the garauntee of success its often portrayed on here..SAFC has generally been a big spending club for most of the period since Murray left, and generally undercahieved for almost all of that period.

a huge number of the players johnson had already knew they wereleaving or were coming to the end of their contract. ross had oviedo cattermole and maja ffs all three better than anything in the divison. he had jon mclaughlin best keeper in the division, and certinly leagues ahead of any keeper johson has.
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Ross took a club on its backside and turned it around in a fairly short space of time and if not for the sale of Maja, I believe we would have found the six points needed to go up. So money really is everything, when it influences you into a bad decision... Look at Wyke leaving and everyone convinced that it was a marvelous thing to get rid of the plank, when all I saw was a squad going backwards fast.

My original point remains; Moyes, Grayson, Coleman, Ross and Parkinson all had to own their own errors, but rightly could point to the shower in charge of the club, as the real and actual rotten core who were making bad decisions that had dire effect on the pitch. So when judging Johnson, you should look at him as being blessed with not having asset strippers and amateurs running the club and as such he has far more advantages than his predecessors.

We have a restrictive budget, but the summer recruitment on a case-by-case basis was ok but nothing spectacular. We actually look a lot worse this season, than in any previous seasons in terms of outcome but the football is a bit easier on the eye and that is not going to get you promoted.
 
---Nemo--- said:
I'd never heard of him when he rocked up here so I checked his previous. He did reasonably well at Bristol but ultimately failed to take them to the promised land and was sacked. If you look at his record I think it's safe to suggest he's improved every side he's managed
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He improved us - Ross finished 5th, Parkinson 8th and Johnson 4th.

But is that really the height of our ambition ?

He could improve us again this season and finish 3rd and maybe get to a playoff final (unlikely in my view but possible I suppose).

Johnson appears to be bombproof- the club have decided to go in a certain direction, spend as little as possible, develop young players from our own and other club’s academies in the hope that we can gel together a team capable of fighting for promotion.

There seems very little difference now in our approach to most clubs in this League. Accrington, Shrewsbury etc all look to spend frugally and loan a few kids to bolster the squad.

We really have become part of the furniture in League 1 and are looking increasingly comfortable in our comfort zone.
 
Alfa said:
He improved us - Ross finished 5th, Parkinson 8th and Johnson 4th.

But is that really the height of our ambition ?
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To answer your question, of course not. We should be doing our level best to win promotion. We'll know a lot more about precisely how we intend to achieve that in January.
 
kildaremackem said:
but if a club isrun horribly that makes no difference. and as our wage bill is likely not the higest in the league, i doubt we have more £ thananyone else in it.
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Agree, but then again some badly run clubs have gone up.

Coventry didn't even have a ground and went up automatically.

Charlton when they beat us recently in the playoffs had absolute turmoil behind the scenes.

It's about getting a manager with a bit about him and getting on a run. We're not playing Barcelona, we're bottling it against Fleetwood etc.
 
mickonline said:
As a club we need to be ran correctly. I would rather see our club continue to operate, even in league 1 than go out of business, which lets not kid ourselves we were very close to.

I hate being in this division as much as everybody and do class us as a premier league team but promotion out of this decision needs to be achieved the correct way. We have a much higher income than ALL league one clubs but our operating costs are significantly higher, the academy, the ground etc. I personally dont want to see us buy our way out of the division as I’d love to see us promoted, with the books balanced and players who want to be here and play for us.

We are in this position because of our obsession with remaining in the Premier League. The multi millions we spent on sub standard players and the constant changing of managers to get that bounce to remain there another season. The model of well run clubs i look to are Everton/Leicester/Southampton and those should be our target. We dont want to be borrowing ridiculous amount of money to buy success, unless we get some real multi billionaire sugar daddy. Elon Musk would be accepted if he fancies a new toy to play with.

But the previous years we’ve either had the club poorly ran running up debts with top class managers, or now a well ran club with an average manager. I do believe the transfer window may see a change in the club but wouldn’t consider changing manager unless its somebody with a proven, top class, record.
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There is no correct way ! just promotion, or not and the not is a continuation of the financial problem.
We are in this position because our chairman and senior leadership were uniformly crap and the managers we've had, none of them were able to plan coherently and were operating entirely as forest firefighters, trying to keep the brakes on to stop the fire from engulfing the whole club.
 
only one rade prica said:
Agree, but then again some badly run clubs have gone up.

Coventry didn't even have a ground and went up automatically.

Charlton when they beat us recently in the playoffs had absolute turmoil behind the scenes.

It's about getting a manager with a bit about him and getting on a run. We're not playing Barcelona, we're bottling it against Fleetwood etc.
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yes i agree with most of this..we dont need to be that well run to get out league one..and came relatievly close to doing that twice..but to get premier league you need to be very well run.
 
JOEJA said:
Stadium size has everything to do with it. We have a big stadium because not so long ago we were beating the man cits, man uniteds and chelseas of this world, and filling the stadium.my problem with these clowns in charge is that they want us to forget all that and have a small time mentality. ive said it before, we are not some tin pot club trying to get to the promised land, we are a huge club trying to return there. The current managers bullshit would be better suited to the yoevils and cheltenhams of this world. The type of club our manager will undoubtedly end up at.
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Good points 👍🏻 We ain’t small time, I don’t care how long they bang on about changing our minds on that, no chance I will, by doing so it just makes it easy for them make excuses
 
Alfa said:
He improved us - Ross finished 5th, Parkinson 8th and Johnson 4th.

But is that really the height of our ambition ?

He could improve us again this season and finish 3rd and maybe get to a playoff final (unlikely in my view but possible I suppose).

Johnson appears to be bombproof- the club have decided to go in a certain direction, spend as little as possible, develop young players from our own and other club’s academies in the hope that we can gel together a team capable of fighting for promotion.

There seems very little difference now in our approach to most clubs in this League. Accrington, Shrewsbury etc all look to spend frugally and loan a few kids to bolster the squad.

We really have become part of the furniture in League 1 and are looking increasingly comfortable in our comfort zone.
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What you've written is the most damning and honest view, I've read on this site since joining it... We've gone full circle and replaced the asset strippers and are back to a franchise model and simply willing to wait our turn to strike lucky. Back to the bad old days of roker park and even if promotion eventually happens, we will be operating a level that could see us stuck in the championship for another 10 years.
 
Alfa said:
He improved us - Ross finished 5th, Parkinson 8th and Johnson 4th.

But is that really the height of our ambition ?

He could improve us again this season and finish 3rd and maybe get to a playoff final (unlikely in my view but possible I suppose).

Johnson appears to be bombproof- the club have decided to go in a certain direction, spend as little as possible, develop young players from our own and other club’s academies in the hope that we can gel together a team capable of fighting for promotion.

There seems very little difference now in our approach to most clubs in this League. Accrington, Shrewsbury etc all look to spend frugally and loan a few kids to bolster the squad.

We really have become part of the furniture in League 1 and are looking increasingly comfortable in our comfort zone.
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👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😎
 
kildaremackem said:
we never filled the stadium in the premier league on a regualr basis..we did when big name teams arrived but not all the time. the average gate in the premier league was 40k, an impressive number, but but than 10 per cent below capacity, and empty seats do not help. Ad a look at the matchday revenue generated by safc in that era shows we made less than most in the leaguefrom it..so had less money than them, so it didnt help us at all
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This is not true. People came when there was something to shout about and exciting football to watch. The first season of the SOL in the Premier League was an average of 40.5k v 42k capacity, and the following season 46.8k v 48k capacity. The empty seats were usually in the away end. Even the next season when we finished 4th bottom it was still 44.1k average. If we were in the Premier League, competing for a place in Europa League once every few years, and the football was half decent, then the stadium would be full (with the exception of away fans).
 
Kent Boy 2 said:
This is not true. People came when there was something to shout about and exciting football to watch. The first season of the SOL in the Premier League was an average of 40.5k v 42k capacity, and the following season 46.8k v 48k capacity. The empty seats were usually in the away end. Even the next season when we finished 4th bottom it was still 44.1k average. If we were in the Premier League, competing for a place in Europa League once every few years, and the football was half decent, then the stadium would be full (with the exception of away fans).
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Well said 👏🏻👏🏻
 
Kent Boy 2 said:
This is not true. People came when there was something to shout about and exciting football to watch. The first season of the SOL in the Premier League was an average of 40.5k v 42k capacity, and the following season 46.8k v 48k capacity. The empty seats were usually in the away end. Even the next season when we finished 4th bottom it was still 44.1k average. If we were in the Premier League, competing for a place in Europa League once every few years, and the football was half decent, then the stadium would be full (with the exception of away fans).
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im rferring to the last spell in the prem. 40k wasthe average, even with ludicrously cheap tickets..if the club cat get 45k in the prem with ludcirously cheap tickets then the stadium is too big. harking back to he first season in the SOL or to two seven placed fisnihes ads bieng the codniiotns..then the club has too big a stadium.
Kent Boy 2 said:
This is not true. People came when there was something to shout about and exciting football to watch. The first season of the SOL in the Premier League was an average of 40.5k v 42k capacity, and the following season 46.8k v 48k capacity. The empty seats were usually in the away end. Even the next season when we finished 4th bottom it was still 44.1k average. If we were in the Premier League, competing for a place in Europa League once every few years, and the football was half decent, then the stadium would be full (with the exception of away fans).
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im rferring to the last spell in the prem. 40k wasthe average, even with ludicrously cheap tickets..if the club cat get 45k in the prem with ludcirously cheap tickets then the stadium is too big. harking back to he first season in the SOL or to two seven placed fisnihes ads bieng the codniiotns..then the club has too big a stadium.
 
Cox Green Fc said:
That sounds very magesque mate
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True, however wanting this club to actually better the 7th place finish under Reid, which would mean European football, or even a cup win, league cup for example a chance at something bigger etc, I can’t see having ambitions as a bad thing, or wanting the club to share and live up to those ambitions as a bad thing ether to be Honest.
 
Emcon said:
What you've written is the most damning and honest view, I've read on this site since joining it... We've gone full circle and replaced the asset strippers and are back to a franchise model and simply willing to wait our turn to strike lucky. Back to the bad old days of roker park and even if promotion eventually happens, we will be operating a level that could see us stuck in the championship for another 10 years.
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if kld meant donald was an asset stripper..why is he content to be in business with him now?
 
robbied1 said:
Never once I have celebrated us getting to the pizza cup final, or winning it, I said at the time it was embarrassing and got pelters as usual.
It's a competition that's beneath us,since we dropped into league 1 I've said we should sack every cup competition off and concentrate on the league ,no excuses.
It infuriates me that someone here are thinking about winning the league cup, I know most of it is in jest , but even fans talking about getting into Europe just by making the final,theydonteven realise you don't get in europe that way.
People need to wake up, the only way we get out of this league is by fully concentrating on the league no distractions, no Wembley cup final in an awful competition. The first thing I would do is sack LJ and appoint Neil Warnock even if he just has a contract till the end of the season, sign 4 experienced players in jan, the first being a decent experienced keeper.
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To what though? Be 14th in the PL?
I’d rather we win a trophy and push for promotion. I don’t care if we lose to Rotherham and Portmouth once or twice. Being in contention is miles better than getting beat every week. We’ve been an nobody in the PL, it was shit. We will be there again and we’ll be relegated again, all within the next 20 years. The PL is getting more and more closed off. By the time we get back there it’ll be the top 10 closed off
 
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