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Why are putting up with medoricty

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jack ross has does nothing asa manager yet to show he can handle thepressure of a high profile club-he had the best team of the lot in league one and failed
Agree Emcon is of the era where you say what you like and leave you to dispute it.Ross had a far better squad ,Johnson inherited a squad that knew that we had admin staff with writers cramp filling their P45s out.
If we sack Johnson, irrespective of who is manager, do we think this squad will get top 2? I don't. Its just not good enough imo.

For me, it will be interesting to see what business is done in January. If very little and this season is part of a long term plan that wouldn't even come close to being acceptable.

We need to get up this season. I have deep concerns those running the club dont view promotion as being essential this season. That would worry me greatly as we're going to start losing large numbers of supporters the longer we hang around here. Patience is extremely thin at the mo.
100 per cent correct,people are sticking their heads in the sand.I will know in January whether we are in the mix or not.As you and others will aswell
 
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there wasabsoltely noplan when ross wasmanager...and that not a criticism of ross but of the others.

safc sold a goal scorer in the january but then so did charlton, who went up.
rosshad the biggest budget (not asset stripping) of any of oyr league one managers i ters of wages-and itswages spend which usually correlates with results, not transfer spend,.
I don't know where the obsession with money has come from with some fans, but likely as not the bean-counters floating around the site have done a decent job of convincing people that the root of all evil is spending money and the roadmap to success is paved by a balanced budget and is the pre-requisite to success.... Entirely ignoring the closest we've come to promotion was torpedoed by the bean-counters who chose to sell Maja.

I'm not averse to balancing the budget and it certainly should be a heavy factor, but it will always be secondary to promotion and if we had followed that path you saw the successful route in McCarthy and his promotion, whereas the Keane roadmap put promotion first. The plan as discussed by others is actually the hard route to promotion and the danger is we finally balance the books this season and find the squad leftover next summer is worse than the ones we've had in previous years.
Agree Emcon is of the era where you say what you like and leave you to dispute it.Ross had a far better squad ,Johnson inherited a squad that knew that we had admin staff with writers cramp filling their P45s out.

100 per cent correct,people are sticking their heads in the sand.I will know in January whether we are in the mix or not.As you and others will aswell
Ross didn't have a better squad to pick from. He had a squad all trying to get out of the door as fast as possible and people have very short memories and don't seem to remember the summer after relegation. Almost none of our players were committed to the cause. Johnson inherited an above average league one ready squad that even when he took over was just outside the playoffs.
 
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I don't know where the obsession with money has come from with some fans, but likely as not the bean-counters floating around the site have done a decent job of convincing people that the root of all evil is spending money and the roadmap to success is paved by a balanced budget and is the pre-requisite to success.... Entirely ignoring the closest we've come to promotion was torpedoed by the bean-counters who chose to sell Maja.

I'm not averse to balancing the budget and it certainly should be a heavy factor, but it will always be secondary to promotion and if we had followed that path you saw the successful route in McCarthy and his promotion, whereas the Keane roadmap put promotion first. The plan as discussed by others is actually the hard route to promotion and the danger is we finally balance the books this season and find the squad leftover next summer is worse than the ones we've had in previous years.

Ross didn't have a better squad to pick from. He had a squad all trying to get out of the door as fast as possible and people have very short memories and don't seem to remember the summer after relegation. Almost none of our players were committed to the cause. Johnson inherited an above average league one ready squad that even when he took over was just outside the playoffs.
What as against the 15 that johnson inherited that knew they were auditioning for I DANIEL BLAKE
 
I texted a mag after our Wembley win in the pizza cup. He texted back that he hoped we win it next year.
The fact the mags want us to win it more than we do shows the competition up.

You’re sort of missing the point here aren’t you? I don’t know a single mag fan that wants us to win it this year, but every single one of them wants us to win it next season. I wonder why???
 
For me and my time supoorting the lads, mediocrity in bumbling about the second tier. Therefore, our present plight is well below that. What I'd give for a bit of mediocrity.
 
I don't know where the obsession with money has come from with some fans, but likely as not the bean-counters floating around the site have done a decent job of convincing people that the root of all evil is spending money and the roadmap to success is paved by a balanced budget and is the pre-requisite to success.... Entirely ignoring the closest we've come to promotion was torpedoed by the bean-counters who chose to sell Maja.

I'm not averse to balancing the budget and it certainly should be a heavy factor, but it will always be secondary to promotion and if we had followed that path you saw the successful route in McCarthy and his promotion, whereas the Keane roadmap put promotion first. The plan as discussed by others is actually the hard route to promotion and the danger is we finally balance the books this season and find the squad leftover next summer is worse than the ones we've had in previous years.

Ross didn't have a better squad to pick from. He had a squad all trying to get out of the door as fast as possible and people have very short memories and don't seem to remember the summer after relegation. Almost none of our players were committed to the cause. Johnson inherited an above average league one ready squad that even when he took over was just outside the playoffs.
nowt wrong with a club spending money. if its the clubs money..but safc is potless. The owner isnt but relying on the owener is follish and rarely works long term. Secondly, spending money, while not the root of all evik is not the garauntee of success its often portrayed on here..SAFC has generally been a big spending club for most of the period since Murray left, and generally undercahieved for almost all of that period.
I don't know where the obsession with money has come from with some fans, but likely as not the bean-counters floating around the site have done a decent job of convincing people that the root of all evil is spending money and the roadmap to success is paved by a balanced budget and is the pre-requisite to success.... Entirely ignoring the closest we've come to promotion was torpedoed by the bean-counters who chose to sell Maja.

I'm not averse to balancing the budget and it certainly should be a heavy factor, but it will always be secondary to promotion and if we had followed that path you saw the successful route in McCarthy and his promotion, whereas the Keane roadmap put promotion first. The plan as discussed by others is actually the hard route to promotion and the danger is we finally balance the books this season and find the squad leftover next summer is worse than the ones we've had in previous years.

Ross didn't have a better squad to pick from. He had a squad all trying to get out of the door as fast as possible and people have very short memories and don't seem to remember the summer after relegation. Almost none of our players were committed to the cause. Johnson inherited an above average league one ready squad that even when he took over was just outside the playoffs.
a huge number of the players johnson had already knew they wereleaving or were coming to the end of their contract. ross had oviedo cattermole and maja ffs all three better than anything in the divison. he had jon mclaughlin best keeper in the division, and certinly leagues ahead of any keeper johson has.
 
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You’re sort of missing the point here aren’t you? I don’t know a single mag fan that wants us to win it this year, but every single one of them wants us to win it next season. I wonder why???
I'm not missing the point, he said last March he wants us to win it in 2022.
 
I'm not missing the point, he said last March he wants us to win it in 2022.
Why do you think he said it? Why don’t you ask him now what he thinks? Likely answer - “he won’t give a shit whether we win it in 2022, but he’d love for us to win it 2023”. It’s what all mag fans think. I wonder why???

Personally, as of today, I would love it if the Mags have the chance to beat Reading on the last day of next season to win the Championship. It’s the same scenario.
 
As a club we need to be ran correctly. I would rather see our club continue to operate, even in league 1 than go out of business, which lets not kid ourselves we were very close to.

I hate being in this division as much as everybody and do class us as a premier league team but promotion out of this decision needs to be achieved the correct way. We have a much higher income than ALL league one clubs but our operating costs are significantly higher, the academy, the ground etc. I personally dont want to see us buy our way out of the division as I’d love to see us promoted, with the books balanced and players who want to be here and play for us.

We are in this position because of our obsession with remaining in the Premier League. The multi millions we spent on sub standard players and the constant changing of managers to get that bounce to remain there another season. The model of well run clubs i look to are Everton/Leicester/Southampton and those should be our target. We dont want to be borrowing ridiculous amount of money to buy success, unless we get some real multi billionaire sugar daddy. Elon Musk would be accepted if he fancies a new toy to play with.

But the previous years we’ve either had the club poorly ran running up debts with top class managers, or now a well ran club with an average manager. I do believe the transfer window may see a change in the club but wouldn’t consider changing manager unless its somebody with a proven, top class, record.
 
Why do you think he said it? Why don’t you ask him now what he thinks? Likely answer - “he won’t give a shit whether we win it in 2022, but he’d love for us to win it 2023”. It’s what all mag fans think. I wonder why???

Personally, as of today, I would love it if the Mags have the chance to beat Reading on the last day of next season to win the Championship. It’s the same scenario.
I know that what I implied in my first post. They'd be happy if we win it for the next 5 years.
 
We are not a premier league club, we are a league one club. And we need to act like a league one club or we will never get out of league one.
We are however, the biggest league one club by a country mile and we need to start acting like the biggest league one club. This means recruiting the best players in the league, stealing the best young players in the league, bringing in the best manager / coaches in the league, focusing on how we play and making the other clubs stop us, and basically out and out bullying the rest of league one.
This is what Leeds, Forest & Southampton eventually learnt.
 
stauadium size is completely irreleavnt..anyone can buold a big stadium..filling it on the other hand,,
Stadium size has everything to do with it. We have a big stadium because not so long ago we were beating the man cits, man uniteds and chelseas of this world, and filling the stadium.my problem with these clowns in charge is that they want us to forget all that and have a small time mentality. ive said it before, we are not some tin pot club trying to get to the promised land, we are a huge club trying to return there. The current managers bullshit would be better suited to the yoevils and cheltenhams of this world. The type of club our manager will undoubtedly end up at.
 
Stadium size has everything to do with it. We have a big stadium because not so long ago we were beating the man cits, man uniteds and chelseas of this world, and filling the stadium.my problem with these clowns in charge is that they want us to forget all that and have a small time mentality. ive said it before, we are not some tin pot club trying to get to the promised land, we are a huge club trying to return there. The current managers bullshit would be better suited to the yoevils and cheltenhams of this world. The type of club our manager will undoubtedly end up at.
we never filled the stadium in the premier league on a regualr basis..we did when big name teams arrived but not all the time. the average gate in the premier league was 40k, an impressive number, but but than 10 per cent below capacity, and empty seats do not help. Ad a look at the matchday revenue generated by safc in that era shows we made less than most in the leaguefrom it..so had less money than them, so it didnt help us at all
 
Season after season it’s the same excuses we are a premier league club with a third rate coach

Personally I think we are a 2nd rate 3rd league club and we've the manager such a club deserves.
Before it deteriorates beyond repair or a third relegation we should take action now and replace him.
If by some miracle he takes us up into a league where half the teams are better than the Rotherhams of this world we'll be in another relegation fight by next but one Christmas.
 
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