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ALL NUFC and Sportwashing stuff in here. (Threads will be merged)

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mag in peace said:
This is the exact type of shit I was talking about. This may appear to be something hilarious to you, but continues to perpetuate the falsehood that all terrorists wear headresses. Are you stating that the Saudi Arabian in charge of PIF is responsible for terrorist acts?

I'm not saying that you should not rightly challenge MBS and KSA for its horrific human rights records, but we have to be careful who we target and what we are saying.
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I wasn’t a big fan of the dislike button when it was announced but it’s perfect for dismissing your lazy deflection posts 👍🏻
 

Malloy said:
Didn't say, just mentioned banner and police looking into it and more details on the BBC website
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Which is good of him to provide a bump as you have to take into account that many MOTD punters may have been unaware of it.

Pointing them to the story via the BBC article and doing his best keeping the pot boiling.

Interesting to see how the msm have framed it as police looking into offensive banner angle rather than neutrally reporting Palace's fans rightful protest.

The prem league and shitweasel PR scribes must have had their work cut out to force the narrative.
 
Penshaw Mackem II said:
I was illustrating how the state/ police is now used to shut down, what should be a genuine discussion about those in power and their actions and whether they are compatible with doing business in the uk.

it was also a comment on how these discussions are turned quickly in to binary slagging matches on social media, look how quickly this thread has been shifted from a genuine discussion of the regime in to a slagging match where two binary opinions are formed and you are either on the ‘right or wrong side’. This is how this discussion will be conducted in the media.

I was also commenting on the irony of this banner has been discussed on here in an open way whereas other discussions on here, specifically about taking the knee and Covid have been filled with horrible and hateful binary discussions that don’t allow for a nuanced position at all.

of coarse I don’t believe any of the bollocks I said above, I just wanted to make a point. This is part of a wider problem and I think the tread would benefit from de compartmentalising the story and looking at it in a wider context.
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BLM and all that is totally different though and is more a support group against anti racism rather than a protest. Similar to Stonewall for the LGBTQ+ community etc. There's arguments whether that should be in a football game but that's irrelevant here (I'm not really bothered either way).

This is a protest at one thing in particular which mainly has the three points:
  • Newcastle was bought over by the Saudi Arabian government under the disguise of 'PIF'
  • The Sauda Arabian government has done everything in the list which is the factual truth.
  • The Premier League is corrupt for letting the takeover go through.
If someone wants to have an argument against those three points then good luck without looking an absolute idiot. There's not really a right or wrong side. There's just a reality or deluded side.
 
mag in peace said:
I don't think anyone is stopping people from criticising any brutal regime. The 'facts' whether we like it or not are that the EPL agreed that PIF is separate to the state. However much we disagree and all know it isn't, that's the 'fact'.

This banner, therefore implies that all people from Saudi Arabia are guilty of these crimes and that is discriminatory and racist - they aren't.

This takeover is already spreading hatred. One fella on a thread on here earlier stated he hated all Arabs or words even worse but to that effect which was removed.
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'The PIF isn't Saudi Arabia' defence is semantics (if not downright lying), so, you're literally doing the PIF's sporstwashing job for them by citing the EPL's lack of morals as legitimacy for PIF.
 
OzzyMac said:
That must be the bit they're offended about
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That must be the racist bit
Windypants said:
'The PIF isn't Saudi Arabia' defence is semantics (if not downright lying), so, you're literally doing the PIF's sporstwashing job for them by citing the EPL's lack of morals as legitimacy for PIF.
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They harped on about the premier league being corrupt. Passing the takeover in a few minutes despite all evidence suggesting it shouldn’t go ahead is the most corrupt thing they’ve done.
Eerie silence on the corruption front from the mags since
 
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Windypants said:
'The PIF isn't Saudi Arabia' defence is semantics (if not downright lying), so, you're literally doing the PIF's sporstwashing job for them by citing the EPL's lack of morals as legitimacy for PIF.
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I'm not sportswashing anything FFS if you had read my comments at all, you would know I actively encouraged the protest, I suggested that all fans should pass the flags on they make to create a wall of protest.

My point is, that if it's not abundantly clear, it runs the risk of opening the criticism up to the wrong people. There is far too much racial tension in this country as it is, we do not need to give an excuse for anyone caught doing so. The example I gave was a post on this very forum in which already a person was saying things like 'i f***ing hate arabs' (paraphrasing, I'm sure it was worse and it was removed).

Target the fella directly. Name him. Ensure its without any questionable doubt. That's all I was trying to get at.

I've got shit to do today and won't be around to respond but will try to later.
wigwams said:
That must be the racist bit

They harped on about the premier league being corrupt. Passing the takeover in a few minutes despite all evidence suggesting it shouldn’t go ahead is the most corrupt thing they’ve done.
Eerie silence on the corruption front from the mags since
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You lot harped on as if we were talking absolute bollocks and the EPL wasn't corrupt and as soon as it was passed it is... It's easy this game. Pick up the baton yourselves. I will have no issue with holdih the PL to account.
 
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mag in peace said:
I don't think anyone is stopping people from criticising any brutal regime. The 'facts' whether we like it or not are that the EPL agreed that PIF is separate to the state. However much we disagree and all know it isn't, that's the 'fact'.

This banner, therefore implies that all people from Saudi Arabia are guilty of these crimes and that is discriminatory and racist - they aren't.

This takeover is already spreading hatred. One fella on a thread on here earlier stated he hated all Arabs or words even worse but to that effect which was removed.
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You come across as a decent poster on most threads but you and your fellow fans are coming across like a piss head windmilling wildly in the pub trying to defend this takeover.

I guarantee if it was any other club your fans would have been some of the loudest in protest. it’s genuinely turning Newcastle fans into some sort of sporting hitler youth going along with the Saudi sportwashing
 
mag in peace said:
I'm not sportswashing anything FFS if you had read my comments at all, you would know I actively encouraged the protest, I suggested that all fans should pass the flags on they make to create a wall of protest.

My point is, that if it's not abundantly clear, it runs the risk of opening the criticism up to the wrong people. There is far too much racial tension in this country as it is, we do not need to give an excuse for anyone caught doing so. The example I gave was a post on this very forum in which already a person was saying things like 'i f***ing hate arabs' (paraphrasing, I'm sure it was worse and it was removed).

Target the fella directly. Name him. Ensure its without any questionable doubt. That's all I was trying to get at.

I've got shit to do today and won't be around to respond but will try to later.

You lot harped on as if we were talking absolute bollocks and the EPL wasn't corrupt and as soon as it was passed it is... It's easy this game. Pick up the baton yourselves. I will have no issue with holdih the PL to account.
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No we laughed as you couldn’t understand why they wouldn’t pass your dodgy takeover. No one has praised the premier league process. They then doubled down on their process by passing it. You lot still harassing the premier league to change their ways? Surely this kind of takeover would have you all marching down there again?
 
Redhouser said:
Spot on👍
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It is but the rest of the country don’t know this, when nation wide radio phone ins refer to the mags and claim all geordies are NUFC fans I never hear Sunderland supporting Geordies correcting them. If they feel so bad about bring lumped in an occasional Geordie voice putting them right wouldn’t go amiss. I can’t do it I’m as I’m a wearsider. Over to you Geordie SAFC fans.
 
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