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ALL NUFC and Sportwashing stuff in here. (Threads will be merged)

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Adamfsafc said:
We didn’t treat him much better.
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we gave him an age to turn things around but he was taking us down, he was treated no better or worse than any other manager in the same situation. Very few fans had an issue with his doddgy origins when he was performing and he was rounded on with chants when the situation was unrecoverable, not when he repeated steered us to PL survival. Prior to that there were no campaiogns against him the way he was vilified so quickly at SJP.
 

G Force said:
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Bruce was very well supported until the end. He got a fraction here what he’s consistently received at the mags. Pardew got it a lot worse there too.
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Exactly. Ashley provided Bruce funds to spend on the squad. Some of his purchases are questionable (Joelinton/Almiron) for the fees that were spent on them.
 
Cookie said:
This is flawed on a number of levels, not least that the FA - as an organisation - are allowed to reflect on past decisions and adapt their future decisions based on that hindsight. We all do that, every day of our lives, sometimes with big stuff, sometimes with minor stuff.

Effectively you are saying, 'the issue I have is, prior to Biffo shitting his pants today, we had Baffo and Beffo shit their pants earlier this week, but I don't recall anyone running over with a pack of wet wipes''. The wet wipes are a symptom of what's gone before and an organisation more prepared to deal with it.

There is no imaginary line, it is a series of new gates that are designed to stop the same issues persisting indefinitely.
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Nice to see 'wet wipe' used in a term other than an insult.
 
Biffo The Bear said:
Ah the 'go to' RTG response..... Explain how.
You have missed 'whataboutery', I hope that comes soon for the bingo card.
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nope your previous answer gave the 'whataboutery' - you said what about Chelsea, Man U and Man C - you said that bad is bad and implied it makes no odds if one is a bit worse. That's precisely what Sportswashing is - NUFC's are 'much the same' as these other owners, except none of the others blow up bus fulls of children, persecute a whole range of groups and behead people where a stout fine would be imnposed here if anything at all. "All nazis were evil, Hitler was no more evil than the rest of them" very quickly becomes "he was just following party orders" and of course the Mag classic "If Hitler hadn't killed the Jews, someone else would have".

Morally bankrupt.
 
Super Mario said:
Id say murdering someone is a fairly simple and good line to start with, mainly because it's nothing to do with politics people can be against gays if they like that's how freedom works plenty of people in the UK don't agree with it but that doesn't mean you're allowed to throw them off buildings.

Or kill journalists
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I agree. In Abu Dhabi being homosexual is illegal.
That is not a case off not agreeing with it.
I am certain life in Russia is equally tough.
But, as you correctly state, they don't (as far as we know) kill gays or have killed a journalist. I believe the Saudi's do / have.
That is the moral line. Persecute / make illegal is ok. Kill is not.
Clear to me now. I still do not agree with the sale but at least I understand the demarcation line of acceptability.
 
jlaws said:
More likely 18 months of writing to MP's, putting Saudi flags on social media profiles, going to Parliament square, telling everyone you are going to be the richest team in the world, harassing sponsors, harassing the EPL, calling everyone involved as corrupt....(need I go on?)...got up everyones nose.

More seriously if NUFC have the full might of the KSA economy behind them then what's the point anymore? Do we just get a league where different Sovereign Wealth Funds/Countries enter into a dick measuring contest? It really is and seismic moment in top level football that the Premier League have just woken upto but they are closing the doors after the horse has bolted and should not have approved the takeover.
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With a bit luck this European Super league will raise it's head again and Newcastle can join the others in a totally meaningless competition where money is god and if you finish bottom of the league it doesn't matter you still get your cheque to wave in front of the screaming fans and you look forward to the next season when you play each other over and over again for the cameras...
 
McMackem said:
nope your previous answer gave the 'whataboutery' - you said what about Chelsea, Man U and Man C - you said that bad is bad and implied it makes no odds if one is a bit worse. That's precisely what Sportswashing is - NUFC's are 'much the same' as these other owners, except none of the others blow up bus fulls of children, persecute a whole range of groups and behead people where a stout fine would be imnposed here if anything at all. "All nazis were evil, Hitler was no more evil than the rest of them" very quickly becomes "he was just following party orders" and of course the Mag classic "If Hitler hadn't killed the Jews, someone else would have".

Morally bankrupt.
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As I said. Sports washed and even better for the bone crushers, he can't see it.

Jon done.
 
Born Safc said:
With a bit luck this European Super league will raise it's head again and Newcastle can join the others in a totally meaningless competition where money is god and if you finish bottom of the league it doesn't matter you still get your cheque to wave in front of the screaming fans and you look forward to the next season when you play each other over and over again for the cameras...
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And the clubs become franchises.
 
Born Safc said:
With a bit luck this European Super league will raise it's head again and Newcastle can join the others in a totally meaningless competition where money is god and if you finish bottom of the league it doesn't matter you still get your cheque to wave in front of the screaming fans and you look forward to the next season when you play each other over and over again for the cameras...
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I totally agree. Leaving clubs to survive on a modest TV revenue and actual fans.

I don't recall much condemnation of the ESL from the mags and pound to a penny they wanted in.
 
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