Put a flat earthier into space

[Nukehasslefan]

I'll rephrase my earlier question, I'm not saying your crystal light sound generator is on a map but maps obviously work as people navigate using them so with you being the world leader in this particular field, where "roughly" do you think this place is using current mapping.
You seem to know where reflections bounce from to form shadows and day and night in different countries so you must have narrowed it down to an appx area of origin?

Best scenario I can offer you is.....take your globe map and open it up like a chocolate orange wrapper , peeling it from under your globe, or your Antarctica position as you get told.

Now curve (concavely) the edges up so you have a sort of bowl and slightly convexly curve up the centre.

Now have a look where the uk would be.

I’ve tried to trawl back and cannot find anything but cannot find anything @Nukehasslefan
Unfortunately I haven’t got the finances to travel into space to see where we are so yes I am reliant on scientific data etc that I won’t deny
But am asking questions based on your “musings” being correct, am not trying to say they aren’t, just trying to understand how your world works
So roughy how big is your “sun” or energy source which is in this hole in the ground?

I don't know how big it is in the centre.

Why are we being lied to about the shape of the planet? What would every country that has put a man into space gain from lying about what they found? Why would they all keep the same lie going? I can't see what anybody would gain by this lie.

Maybe whoever is making it all up are doing it because they don't want us peasants to know the real Earth in its entirety. Maybe it's much better and more idyllic or maybe it's the opposite.

There could be many reasons, or no reasons if people see it as a globe that's been just about navigated as they tell us.

 

[DPTT]

Best scenario I can offer you is.....take your globe map and open it up like a chocolate orange wrapper , peeling it from under your globe, or your Antarctica position as you get told.

Now curve (concavely) the edges up so you have a sort of bowl and slightly convexly curve up the centre.

Now have a look where the uk would be.

I don't know how big it is in the centre.

Maybe whoever is making it all up are doing it because they don't want us peasants to know the real Earth in its entirety. Maybe it's much better and more idyllic or maybe it's the opposite.

There could be many reasons, or no reasons if people see it as a globe that's been just about navigated as they tell us.

So we are pretty close (based on a flat earth map on Google)

So this inhospitable area for planes, isn’t it difficult to accept considering Heathrow and Gatwick are two of the busiest airports in the world.
Surely there would be evidence somewhere?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

irrelevant what 'it' is called. Why haven't the thousands of flatties done exactly the same to debunk the hoax?

I think a lot has been done but it's certainly not going to be admitted.

(*awaits inevitable deflection, and taking the conversation in another direction*)

The conversation goes in all directions because I'm one person against any amount of you lot with stuff thrown in for all kinds, so don't be surprised.

 

[What A Waster]

You could do that weather balloon excitement yourself @Nukehasslefan and bust the myth right open. Put your videos on here, prove us all wrong

 

[ned_werby]

A cell is a container.
The sea and waters are all in their own containers. They sit inside concave indentations around Earth and unhindered they conform to them and sit flat and level.

Except they don't do they? I'm watching the tide going out right now - so where does it go?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You could do that weather balloon excitement yourself @Nukehasslefan and bust the myth right open. Put your videos on here, prove us all wrong

Do what experiment?

Except they don't do they? I'm watching the tide going out right now - so where does it go?

Where does the water in a bowl go when you remove the pressure of your hand from it?

 

[What A Waster]

Do what experiment?

The weather balloon and camera one I suggested to you a couple of weeks ago, that has been mentioned again. I gave you a link to a youtube video. You can even use a camera without a fish eye lens.
Imagine being the man to expose the lie.

 

[ned_werby]

Do what experiment?

Where does the water in a bowl go when you remove the pressure of your hand from it?

Sorry, I can't see a big hand in the north sea at the moment. Why does the tide go in and out in a predictable fashion?

 

[John Steed]

Best scenario I can offer you is.....take your globe map and open it up like a chocolate orange wrapper , peeling it from under your globe, or your Antarctica position as you get told.

Now curve (concavely) the edges up so you have a sort of bowl and slightly convexly curve up the centre.

Now have a look where the uk would be.

I don't know how big it is in the centre.

Maybe whoever is making it all up are doing it because they don't want us peasants to know the real Earth in its entirety. Maybe it's much better and more idyllic or maybe it's the opposite.

There could be many reasons, or no reasons if people see it as a globe that's been just about navigated as they tell us.

It can't be "whoever" is making it up. That implies one person, country, or organisation. There'd have to be countless people involved in the cover up of the truth. Many countries, governments and individuals. What have they gained by doing this? Why has not one of them blabbed the truth that the planet isn't a globe?

 

[0verlord44]

We’ll this is great.

you havnt answered my question, I asked you not to answer with a question but with a specific name

Other posters have called you out on it and you are still in denial.

so I ask again, you as a globe denier, believe in a large conspiracy. What/who benefits from this?

 

[Ambivalent Dave]

I think a lot has been done but it's certainly not going to be admitted.

well thats rather convenient don't you think?

Best scenario I can offer you is.....take your globe map and open it up like a chocolate orange wrapper , peeling it from under your globe, or your Antarctica position as you get told.

Now curve (concavely) the edges up so you have a sort of bowl and slightly convexly curve up the centre.

Now have a look where the uk would be.

I don't know how big it is in the centre.

Maybe whoever is making it all up are doing it because they don't want us peasants to know the real Earth in its entirety. Maybe it's much better and more idyllic or maybe it's the opposite.

There could be many reasons, or no reasons if people see it as a globe that's been just about navigated as they tell us.

Please prove that chocolate oranges are spherical. I believe that they're flat.

 

[DaveH]

It proves nothing of the sort.



Work exactly as observed as in what?


On your pound coin, yes. But what are you proving with your pound coin?


A disc rotated 180 degrees is a disc rotated 180 degrees. Nothing more.


It's not proof of anything to do with a globe. You know this.


Here we go again.
And here's you trying your utmost to make a divvy like me understand, eh?
Why are you even bothering?

You have my permission to question anything about me and you also have my permission to call me any names you feel may strike a nerve.
However it does bring into question your intelligence when you have to use this to try and deal with someone who you think is a backward divvy.

You carry on with my blessing if it makes you feel superior. You have a few back slappers so you're doing ok.

How do you know it's space?

Yeah. Join in if you can muster up something a bit more soul destroying to me.


But you are reliant on that, right?
Your globe is what you're told not what you know for sure.

Nah it's not.

Yes I did but you have overlooked.
Ask your mates on here.

I have put everything in the very most simplest terms I can. I've persisted with this for 3-4 weeks now and even provided an interactive model that shows it is it working, and you just can't see or admit it.

I started this by saying I don't have the ability to explain anything to you, or you don't have the ability to listen and admit what is presented right in front of your face. While I can't prove to you (and it seems only you) the shape of the earth, I have proved what I said back then before I took a deep breath and tried again.

I'm sorry I can't put things in a more simplistic way for you. There is proof out there but I accept that you are not going to just believe the things you can't understand so fair played on that. It is just a shame you can't understand some of these simple concepts.

I'll rephrase my earlier question, I'm not saying your crystal light sound generator is on a map but maps obviously work as people navigate using them so with you being the world leader in this particular field, where "roughly" do you think this place is using current mapping.
You seem to know where reflections bounce from to form shadows and day and night in different countries so you must have narrowed it down to an appx area of origin?

He has previously said it is in the middle of the disc/his world of unknown shape, what we would call the north pole. He also admits that polaris appears overhead at the north pole and it is possible to measure the angle to it.

So those people who say they have been the the north pole are telling lies. They obviously got so close, but then hit the ultra freezing zone, decided not to record that and turn back.

It is amazing that two such cold places can exist but not drastically affect the weather for a few thousand miles around them. Or it is bollocks.

Best scenario I can offer you is.....take your globe map and open it up like a chocolate orange wrapper , peeling it from under your globe, or your Antarctica position as you get told.

Now curve (concavely) the edges up so you have a sort of bowl and slightly convexly curve up the centre.

Take your chocolate orange and an inch from the bottom mark a little dot with a knife and call that Sydney. Now on the opposite side, mark another dot and call that Rio. Use a bit of string or a strawberry lace and measure the distance between them, not much. Now open up your chocolate orange as you say and measure again. The distance has grown to many times larger and the shortest distance between them now goes roughly over the top (now centre).

Now get a second orange and do the same marks. Put it in the middle of a clear cake stand. Very small people on those points standing looking in the direction of the bottom middle (the orange south pole) would see through the cake stand to where the base meets the bench. Both would see the same thing from a different angle. Like looking at the southern cross on earth. Open it out and now those tiny people are facing the opposite walls of your kitchen. Both are looking at completely different things. That is not what happens.

But apart from that, hey it works.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

The weather balloon and camera one I suggested to you a couple of weeks ago, that has been mentioned again. I gave you a link to a youtube video. You can even use a camera without a fish eye lens.
Imagine being the man to expose the lie.

You aren't going to see much of Earth at that height, so there's absolutely no point.

Sorry, I can't see a big hand in the north sea at the moment. Why does the tide go in and out in a predictable fashion?

I've already explained that. Maybe someone will help you out.

It can't be "whoever" is making it up. That implies one person, country, or organisation. There'd have to be countless people involved in the cover up of the truth.

No there wouldn't.

Many countries, governments and individuals.

Countries don't get involved it's the people who are head of them. The real heads not the puppets.

What have they gained by doing this?

Control for a start and maybe a lot of hidden Earth.
Are you free to roam the Earth?

Why has not one of them blabbed the truth that the planet isn't a globe?

Who says they haven't?
But...who will believe a word that's said?

Any whistleblower could easily be passed off as a stark raving lunatic who has a grudge.

Or don't you think this stuff can happen?

We’ll this is great.

you havnt answered my question, I asked you not to answer with a question but with a specific name

Other posters have called you out on it and you are still in denial.

so I ask again, you as a globe denier, believe in a large conspiracy. What/who benefits from this?

Plenty can benefit. You need to pay attention to those who have the wealth and the ability to move to wherever, whenever.
I don't need to offer names.
However there's likely an even bigger picture....but, I' simply speculating without proof, so take that as you want.

 

[Nobby]

This has gone full tin foil.

His last post was full on conspiracy theory bingo

 

[nahwee]

You aren't going to see much of Earth at that height, so there's absolutely no point.

Yet you maintain the earth is flat by looking at a bath of water!

 

[Ambivalent Dave]

You aren't going to see much of Earth at that height, so there's absolutely no point.

I've already explained that. Maybe someone will help you out.



No there wouldn't.

Countries don't get involved it's the people who are head of them. The real heads not the puppets.


Control for a start and maybe a lot of hidden Earth.
Are you free to roam the Earth?

Who says they haven't?
But...who will believe a word that's said?

Any whistleblower could easily be passed off as a stark raving lunatic who has a grudge.

Or don't you think this stuff can happen?

Plenty can benefit. You need to pay attention to those who have the wealth and the ability to move to wherever, whenever.
I don't need to offer names.
However there's likely an even bigger picture....but, I' simply speculating without proof, so take that as you want.

would you care to explain how people pushing a globe conspiracy have managed to turn it into a cash flow?

or do I have to engage critical thinking and do my own research ?

 

[ned_werby]

Any whistleblower could easily be passed off as a stark raving lunatic who has a grudge.

Or a @Nukehasslefan

 

[John Steed]

You aren't going to see much of Earth at that height, so there's absolutely no point.

I've already explained that. Maybe someone will help you out.



No there wouldn't.

Countries don't get involved it's the people who are head of them. The real heads not the puppets.


Control for a start and maybe a lot of hidden Earth.
Are you free to roam the Earth?

Who says they haven't?
But...who will believe a word that's said?

Any whistleblower could easily be passed off as a stark raving lunatic who has a grudge.

Or don't you think this stuff can happen?

Plenty can benefit. You need to pay attention to those who have the wealth and the ability to move to wherever, whenever.
I don't need to offer names.
However there's likely an even bigger picture....but, I' simply speculating without proof, so take that as you want.

There would be countless people involved in the cover up.
We've know for sure since the 1500s that it's a ball. The ancient Greeks worked out it was a ball. There's a lot of liars past and present if it is flat.
What control have any of these people past and present, who have lied to us, had over us?
I mean the earth is a globe, great. The earth is flat, great. There no difference in the control anybody holds over us whatever shape it is.
As for hidden earth what would be the point? What is there? A luxury holiday resort that they don't want the plebs knowing about? If there was hidden land somebody would own it and want to profit from it. Sorry but nothing you say regarding why they are lying to us makes any sense. There would need to be a reason and you haven't given one.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I have put everything in the very most simplest terms I can. I've persisted with this for 3-4 weeks now and even provided an interactive model that shows it is it working, and you just can't see or admit it.

You've shown a model that supposedly shows, what? It certainly doesn't show a reality.

I started this by saying I don't have the ability to explain anything to you, or you don't have the ability to listen and admit what is presented right in front of your face. While I can't prove to you (and it seems only you) the shape of the earth, I have proved what I said back then before I took a deep breath and tried again.

No, you haven't. You can harp on all you want about proving anything but you haven't proved a thing, other than angles shown on a diagram and insist it works on a globe.

I'm sorry I can't put things in a more simplistic way for you. There is proof out there but I accept that you are not going to just believe the things you can't understand so fair played on that. It is just a shame you can't understand some of these simple concepts.

Simple concepts are fine if they show a reality. You fail to do that but believe you do because you naturally follow the set out narratives of a globe.

He has previously said it is in the middle of the disc/his world of unknown shape, what we would call the north pole. He also admits that polaris appears overhead at the north pole and it is possible to measure the angle to it.

So those people who say they have been the the north pole are telling lies. They obviously got so close, but then hit the ultra freezing zone, decided not to record that and turn back.

Most likely that's the case.

It is amazing that two such cold places can exist but not drastically affect the weather for a few thousand miles around them. Or it is bollocks.

Hmmm, what do you think?

Take your chocolate orange and an inch from the bottom mark a little dot with a knife and call that Sydney. Now on the opposite side, mark another dot and call that Rio. Use a bit of string or a strawberry lace and measure the distance between them, not much. Now open up your chocolate orange as you say and measure again. The distance has grown to many times larger and the shortest distance between them now goes roughly over the top (now centre).

Yep and maybe you can look at the flight times to get from one place to another like you mentioned.

Now get a second orange and do the same marks. Put it in the middle of a clear cake stand. Very small people on those points standing looking in the direction of the bottom middle (the orange south pole) would see through the cake stand to where the base meets the bench. Both would see the same thing from a different angle. Like looking at the southern cross on earth. Open it out and now those tiny people are facing the opposite walls of your kitchen. Both are looking at completely different things. That is not what happens.

Opening up Antarctica from a globe to flat destroys Antarctica as a continent.
The south pole no longer exists.

Taking bearings from a non existent south pole is impossible. Trying to gauge distances from a non existent south pole is also impossible, so using the globe model to pinpoint is doing nothing more than that when yo think you can gauge Sydney to Rio and making out they're close and then far away.

Look at the flight times. It should give you a clue.

But apart from that, hey it works.

I'll tell you where it doesn't work. It doesn't work on a globe.

This has gone full tin foil.

His last post was full on conspiracy theory bingo

Ok here's how we play it. Up down, side to side, corner to corner or the 4 corners gets you a win.

Eyes down, your first theory.

Yet you maintain the earth is flat by looking at a bath of water!

No I don't.
By all means use what you can to aid you along but don't be under any illusions about me not having a smirk on my face when you do this stuff.

would you care to explain how people pushing a globe conspiracy have managed to turn it into a cash flow?

or do I have to engage critical thinking and do my own research ?

Do what you feel is best for you.

 

[legend7]

Best scenario I can offer you is.....take your globe map and open it up like a chocolate orange wrapper , peeling it from under your globe, or your Antarctica position as you get told.

Now curve (concavely) the edges up so you have a sort of bowl and slightly convexly curve up the centre.

Now have a look where the uk would be.

Yeah so I know where the UK is on this unpeeled map so where is the crystal generator in relation to the other countries on this map?