NUFC/Sportwashing

[Exile 1968]

He's not a 'decent' owner though. Newcastle United isn't a shop, or a warehouse, it's a sporting institution. He runs it with little to no interest in the sporting side of the club.

The only people who seem to think Ashley is anything but a negative for Newcastle United are a few blindly partisan Sunderland fans. Which is pretty juvenile. Even Mike Ashley says he's a negative for Newcastle United.

He is a decent owner. He has you financially stable and stopped spending which Rafa wanted that would have bankrupted you after buying you from Hall when you were hurtling towards bankruptcy. Anyone who says he's a bad owner is generally a 1992er Mag who thinks the club can and should be spending North of half a billion on players. You're wrong. I wish he'd owned us after the knackers we've had.

 

[Bear Heed]

He has you financially stable and competitive in the Premier league.
He's not a great owner by any stretch but their's a lot worse, ask any amount of the big clubs who've fallen on hard times.

Maybe if you stopped with all the boycotts, protests, online campaigns, shop shouting and general negativity and actually got behind the team you might play a bit better.

Which owners are decent?

The Burnley owner who's borrowed the money to buy the club, the Norwich owner who is happy with relegation, the Arsenal owner who constantly underachieves, the Southampton manager who won't spend and wants to sell?

Very few supporters are happy with their owners or think they're decent, we're quite rare

 

[The Fish]

He has you financially stable and competitive in the Premier league.
He's not a great owner by any stretch but their's a lot worse, ask any amount of the big clubs who've fallen on hard times.

Maybe if you stopped with all the boycotts, protests, online campaigns, shop shouting and general negativity and actually got behind the team you might play a bit better.

I don't think cheers and chants are going to convince Steve Bruce to play round pegs in round holes, or Mike Ashley to employ a better manager, or invest in the club, do you?.

When the team is playing the crowd are, on the whole, supportive. When we're playing shite and it's clear that it's down to organisation and tactics, the manager gets abuse. The players don't.

And it's because of these strangers on the internet, who will obviously never change their opinion that you spend days arguing with. That's as juvenile as it gets tbh, don't you have anything better to do in your life?

Isn't exactly the same true for those who spend hours arguing with me?

And I do, that's why I'm rarely if ever on in the evenings, or weekends.

 

[Binxy]

Which owners are decent?

The Burnley owner who's borrowed the money to buy the club, the Norwich owner who is happy with relegation, the Arsenal owner who constantly underachieves, the Southampton manager who won't spend and wants to sell?

Very few supporters are happy with their owners or think they're decent, we're quite rare

Burnley, Norwich, Arsenal and Southampton fans aren't going on like absolute whoppers.
Like I said their's plenty worse out there.

I don't think cheers and chants are going to convince Steve Bruce to play round pegs in round holes, or Mike Ashley to employ a better manager, or invest in the club, do you?.

When the team is playing the crowd are, on the whole, supportive. When we're playing shite and it's clear that it's down to organisation and tactics, the manager gets abuse. The players don't.


Isn't exactly the same true for those who spend hours arguing with me?

And I do, that's why I'm rarely if ever on in the evenings, or weekends.

So fans at the ground can't influence a game?
The 52k screaming Geordies must be a myth then.

 

[The Fish]

He is a decent owner. He has you financially stable and stopped spending which Rafa wanted that would have bankrupted you after buying you from Hall when you were hurtling towards bankruptcy. Anyone who says he's a bad owner is generally a 1992er Mag who thinks the club can and should be spending North of half a billion on players. You're wrong. I wish he'd owned us after the knackers we've had.

Ellis Short bankrolled your club, with expensive transfers, changing the manager when you lot wanted them out, and then wiped clear your debts to him. What a knacker.

He stopped the willynilly spending of the old owners way before Benitez and, again, with Benitez it wasn't just about how much was spent but more about the control of where it was spent. e.g. RB wanted Townsend in the Championship, he wanted Rondon permanently, neither would have been cripplingly expensive.

Everyone says he's a bad owner apart from some of you lot, even Mike Ashley says Mike Ashley is a bad owner.

Burnley, Norwich, Arsenal and Southampton fans aren't going on like absolute whoppers.
Like I said their's plenty worse out there.

So fans at the ground can't influence a game?
The 52k screaming Geordies must be a myth then.

Arsenal fans definitely are going on like knackers. And just because there are people worse off, doesn't mean you can't complain about what's wrong with your club. If that was the case then only 1 club's fans would be allowed to complain.

That's an interesting interpretation of what I said. It's ridiculous, but interesting.

 

[turnthetide3]

I can't imagine any owner, manager or player succeeding up the road, while the support retains an outrageous 'sense of entitlement' based purely on a very short era, that'll never be comparable to the successful clubs they are trying to emulate.

 

[Binxy]

I can't imagine any owner, manager or player succeeding up the road, while the support retains an outrageous 'sense of entitlement' based purely on a very short era, that'll never be comparable to the successful clubs they are trying to emulate.

They think they are an elite club based on a handful of seasons where they won nothing.
They'll never be happy until they're the next Man City.

 

[Exile 1968]

Ellis Short bankrolled your club, with expensive transfers, changing the manager when you lot wanted them out, and then wiped clear your debts to him. What a knacker.

He stopped the willynilly spending of the old owners way before Benitez and, again, with Benitez it wasn't just about how much was spent but more about the control of where it was spent. e.g. RB wanted Townsend in the Championship, he wanted Rondon permanently, neither would have been cripplingly expensive.

Everyone says he's a bad owner apart from some of you lot, even Mike Ashley says Mike Ashley is a bad owner.

Arsenal fans definitely are going on like knackers. And just because there are people worse off, doesn't mean you can't complain about what's wrong with your club. If that was the case then only 1 club's fans would be allowed to complain.

That's an interesting interpretation of what I said. It's ridiculous, but interesting.

I was talking about Donald & Methyn. Short did do all that but also made lots of mistakes, Moyes being the biggest.

 

[Brian Griffin]

it's a sporting institution.

My word

 

[The Fish]

I can't imagine any owner, manager or player succeeding up the road, while the support retains an outrageous 'sense of entitlement' based purely on a very short era, that'll never be comparable to the successful clubs they are trying to emulate.

I think that's a very talksport idea of what it is the average Newcastle fan actually thinks the club is capable of.

Look, would we want to compete with the elite, sign the best players, play the best football? Yes, of course we would. So would literally every fanbase of every club.

Do we demand it? No, look at the last decade when we've filled the ground, singing and chanting even when we were in the second tier. We're painted as a crowd that'll only be happy when we're challenging for the title or the Champions League, why then have there been full houses happy to watch Daryl Murphy get on a long ball from the 'keeper?

Realistically unless the footballing landscape changes dramatically the absolute best Newcastle can aim for is to be among the teams competing for 4th-10th, and that would require an owner with the kind of money those clubs have, the right managers and a long term plan. (Or it would take incredible amounts of good luck, shrewd recruiting of the playing and coaching staff over years and years!).

 

[Bear Heed]

I don't think cheers and chants are going to convince Steve Bruce to play round pegs in round holes, or Mike Ashley to employ a better manager, or invest in the club, do you?.

When the team is playing the crowd are, on the whole, supportive. When we're playing shite and it's clear that it's down to organisation and tactics, the manager gets abuse. The players don't.


Isn't exactly the same true for those who spend hours arguing with me?

And I do, that's why I'm rarely if ever on in the evenings, or weekends.

They're Sunderland supporters on a Sunderland forum taking the piss out of all things Newcastle. It doesn't have to be logical, sensible or even true because it's just daft fun. Whereas you treat it like Crown Court and believe you can right wrongs and provide the proof that will change minds.

It's your opinion, and nothing more, that Ashley isn't decent, should pay for advertising doesn't invest correctly, should sell the club at a certain price, etc etc etc. You're trying to prove something and claim you have the facts whereas they're just opinions like everyone else.

I think you know you can't 'prove your case' and just like all of your internet warrior chums have become addicted to the sound of your own voice.

 

[The Fish]

I was talking about Donald & Methyn. Short did do all that but also made lots of mistakes, Moyes being the biggest.

Yeah, Donald and Methven were/are absolute charlatans, which was obvious from day 1. Short's biggest crime was not employing the right people below him, then acting on their bad advice. At least his heart was in the right place. He wanted you to kick on.

They're Sunderland supporters on a Sunderland forum taking the piss out of all things Newcastle. It doesn't have to be logical, sensible or even true because it's just daft fun. Whereas you treat it like Crown Court and believe you can right wrongs and provide the proof that will change minds.

It's your opinion, and nothing more, that Ashley isn't decent, should pay for advertising doesn't invest correctly, should sell the club at a certain price, etc etc etc. You're trying to prove something and claim you have the facts whereas they're just opinions like everyone else.

I think you know you can't 'prove your case' and just like all of your internet warrior chums have become addicted to the sound of your own voice.

Or I'm treating it like daft fun too?

I'm enjoying the highwire act of making my case without a) insulting your club for internet points, b) resorting to name-calling, c) using stereotypes.

Sometimes I fail, it's entertaining to try.

 

[Bear Heed]

Yeah, Donald and Methven were/are absolute charlatans, which was obvious from day 1. Short's biggest crime was not employing the right people below him, then acting on their bad advice. At least his heart was in the right place. He wanted you to kick on.

Ashley thought he could compete at the top, found he couldn't and pulled the plug.

Exactly like Short.

There are differences but both realised the difference in finishing 4th bottom or 8th just isn't worth the expense or the bother.

Yeah, Donald and Methven were/are absolute charlatans, which was obvious from day 1. Short's biggest crime was not employing the right people below him, then acting on their bad advice. At least his heart was in the right place. He wanted you to kick on.

Or I'm treating it like daft fun too?

I'm enjoying the highwire act of making my case without a) insulting your club for internet points, b) resorting to name-calling, c) using stereotypes.

Sometimes I fail, it's entertaining to try.

Yes of course

 

[Exile 1968]

Yeah, Donald and Methven were/are absolute charlatans, which was obvious from day 1. Short's biggest crime was not employing the right people below him, then acting on their bad advice. At least his heart was in the right place. He wanted you to kick on.

Or I'm treating it like daft fun too?

I'm enjoying the highwire act of making my case without a) insulting your club for internet points, b) resorting to name-calling, c) using stereotypes.

Sometimes I fail, it's entertaining to try.

Like I said I wasn't on about Short. I actually quite liked him.

 

[The Fish]

Ashley thought he could compete at the top, found he couldn't and pulled the plug.

Exactly like Short.

There are differences but both realised the difference in finishing 4th bottom or 8th just isn't worth the expense or the bother.


Yes of course

The differences are that;
Ashley's had opportunities to capitalise on good fortune (sell the club when we got into Europe. We'd never have been valued higher, surely?), capitalise on good appointments (Benitez could comfortably have delivered midtable, within the limitations of spending what he brought in).
Short didn't willfully antagonise the Sunderland fans.

Short was always firefighting, and the one time you got a manager who could have, at the very least, got you out of the annual relegation fight Big Sam fucks off for the England job.

 

[genewolf]

It's a sporting institution.

It's a mental institution.

You have wanted to "sack" every board as far back as I can remember, including Shepherd etc. In the pantheon of owners you've hated, Ashley must surely be quite high up in your affections? He has sustained you playing at a top level whereas lots of the others had you bumbling around in the second tier.

When you reflect on him in more tranquil times, maybe you'll appreciate everything he has done for you in securing the future of the club and be able to say "thank you."

 

[The Fish]

Like I said I wasn't on about Short. I actually quite liked him.

Baffled me that more people weren't interested in buying Sunderland, plenty of room for growth with modest investment. What's the new owner like?

 

[turnthetide3]

Baffled me that more people weren't interested in buying Sunderland, plenty of room for growth with modest investment. What's the new owner like?

If we told you half of it you'd be drooling.

 

[The Fish]

It's a mental institution.

You have wanted to "sack" every board as far back as I can remember, including Shepherd etc. In the pantheon of owners you've hated, Ashley must surely be quite high up in your affections? He has sustained you playing at a top level whereas lots of the others had you bumbling around in the second tier.

When you reflect on him in more tranquil times, maybe you'll appreciate everything he has done for you in securing the future of the club and be able to say "thank you."

I never hated Sir John Hall. Although as more came out about his shenanigans, the more tarnished his ownership became.

Only owners I can remember wanting shot of are Douglas and Freddy, and now Ashley. I'm not old enough to remember McKeag properly.

 

[Mr B]

He's not a 'decent' owner though. Newcastle United isn't a shop, or a warehouse, it's a sporting institution. He runs it with little to no interest in the sporting side of the club.

Always amazes me how people like Ashley react to receiving death threats. He obviously didn’t understand and took them the wrong way.