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The Pep myth


JL1985 said:
All the top clubs pay massive fees regardless of the manager. Solskjaer has spent a shit load since he’s been at Man Utd.

What Pep does almost guarantee is the league title and a cup each season.

The CL is difficult to win. He was regularly getting to the Semi finals with Bayern and reached the Final with city.

He’s a excellent manager.
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Sounds good in isolation, but not so much when you consider that Bayern made 3 CL finals in the 4 years that preceded him. That included back-to-back CL finals immediately prior to his arrival, winning the treble along the way - his record of getting mullered in the semis every year doesn't look so impressive in comparison. They have also won it again a few years after he left.

Jump Heynckes got Bayern to 2 finals in 2 years (and won 1), and spent a modest amount. Guardiola has been in 1 final in 10 years(?), with a pretty much unlimited budget across multiple clubs. For a manager of his standing and ability, he's underperformed in the CL.
 
Other than Foden, have City brought any academy players through their system that have made the step-up to the first team?
 
nelford_safc said:
Just personal opinion but I couldn't see Pep taking over PNE, for example, and guiding them to promotion, a title and the UEFA cup. Clough will always be the best coach of all time IMO.
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Spot on shipmate, Pep has many qualities, but hasn't replicated Cloughie's record - English league champions with 2 different clubs and 2 European cups, with far less money and far less support from his hierarchy.
 
It’s common sense that the City owners brought him in to win the CL, and he’s failed to for this long.

Look, Mancini and Pellegrini won the league with the access to City’s level of funds, probably less than Pep has spent actually? So until Pep wins the CL he’s not achieved what was expected with that squad/money.

Also failed to win the CL with Bayern who were a top 3 team at the time, and had just won the CL before he joined.
 
I think he’s absolutely brilliant, the football Man City play is a joy to watch. Every team in world football that needed a manager would take him if they could afford him.
 
AC Mack said:
Care to name all those games
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Here’s the end of every CL run for the last 10 years

2013/14 With a Bayern side who were champions of Europe, got battered 0-4 at home in the CL and knocked out.

2014/15 With a Bayern side still full of CL winners, battered 3-0 by Barca in the 1st leg and knocked out of the CL

2015/16 Knocked out in the semis again - 3 years with an inherited CL winning squad and didn’t make 1 final

2016/17 Brought in by City to win the CL and was dumped out in the last 16 by Monaco

2017/18 Beaten hone and away by Liverpool, 3-0 away and was accused of ‘overthinking’ and then beaten at home when playing a 3313 formation that he had never used before, again overthinking

2018/19 knocked out by Spurs in quarter finals - says it all. Again his defensive setup massively questioned.

2019/20 Knocked out once again in the quarters, by the mighty Lyon this time, where he used a random 3 at the back formation and was widely blamed for the failure, including by his players in leaked reports

2020/21 - first final in ~10 years. Went in as strong favourites, Decided to not play a CDM for the first time in memory, got beaten and blamed by loads for the side he picked
 
mediaclee said:
Here’s the end of every CL run for the last 10 years

2013/14 With a Bayern side who were champions of Europe, got battered 0-4 at home in the CL and knocked out.

2014/15 With a Bayern side still full of CL winners, battered 3-0 by Barca in the 1st leg and knocked out of the CL

2015/16 Knocked out in the semis again - 3 years with an inherited CL winning squad and didn’t make 1 final

2016/17 Brought in by City to win the CL and was dumped out in the last 16 by Monaco

2017/18 Beaten hone and away by Liverpool, 3-0 away and was accused of ‘overthinking’ and then beaten at home when playing a 3313 formation that he had never used before, again overthinking

2018/19 knocked out by Spurs in quarter finals - says it all. Again his defensive setup massively questioned.

2019/20 Knocked out once again in the quarters, by the mighty Lyon this time, where he used a random 3 at the back formation and was widely blamed for the failure, including by his players in leaked reports

2020/21 - first final in ~10 years. Went in as strong favourites, Decided to not play a CDM for the first time in memory, got beaten and blamed by loads for the side he picked
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A handful (well two hands full) of games spread over several years, and all in a knockout competition. Appreciate the effort though!

Have you read Pep Confidential? That first game you mention when in charge of Bayern, Pep was absolutely kicking himself for changing his mind last minute after he'd made his decision.

He went to Bayern on a hiding to nothing after they'd won the treble, and it's pretty well accepted that he improved them beyond everyone's expectations. He revolutionised a team in a country heavily reliant on a completely different style of play.
wardleymackum said:
That good.....!!!!???? But cant win the CL with unlimited funds at Man City?
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A cup competition. Shit happens unfortunately.
 
AC Mack said:
A handful (well two hands full) of games spread over several years, and all in a knockout competition. Appreciate the effort though!

Have you read Pep Confidential? That first game you mention when in charge of Bayern, Pep was absolutely kicking himself for changing his mind last minute after he'd made his decision.

He went to Bayern on a hiding to nothing after they'd won the treble, and it's pretty well accepted that he improved them beyond everyone's expectations. He revolutionised a team in a country heavily reliant on a completely different style of play.


A cup competition. Shit happens unfortunately.
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Yeah it’s defo a topic that can be discussed either way, I appreciate your viewpoint and his league results speak for themselves.
 
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