Put a flat earthier into space

[DaveH]

It's already angled as it hits back to Earth. It's spread out. It acts just like a torch beam would.

Yes, that is my point exactly. You can't have a light source bounce up off a concave surface like a dome and come vertically down in another location, if that source is from the centre. Angles and reflections just don't work like that. As you get no shadow with light from directly above (like you say with a torch beam) then we know sunlight much come vertically straight down from above at one location on earth at least once per day. That means the dome theory needs a small modification to work. I'm just musing at what that could be. Floating rotating prisms seems like the best bet to me.

 

[What A Waster]

If light is emitted from the centre of the earth (this huge hole which I think you say is your North?) would it be permanently daytime from this point all the way to the dome

Makes you wonder how they get 24 hours darkness in winter as well if that is where the light comes from and they can't even see it shining upwards

 

[Nukehasslefan]

How is the angle of the shadow different at different spots on the earth at the same time?

Because objects are farther away from that angle of light or closer to it.

Unless you want to elaborate and make it absolutely clear what you mean.

If light is emitted from the centre of the earth (this huge hole which I think you say is your North?) would it be permanently daytime from this point all the way to the dome

No, it would be blackness from point of origin until it hits the dome and angles back to Earth.

 

[DPTT]

Makes you wonder how they get 24 hours darkness in winter as well if that is where the light comes from and they can't even see it shining upwards

I know he’s said this massive hole has never been found by us normal people but surely someone would have noticed this light permanently emitting from the ground up like

 

[Harry Angstrom]

Yes, that is my point exactly. You can't have a light source bounce up off a concave surface like a dome and come vertically down in another location, if that source is from the centre. Angles and reflections just don't work like that. As you get no shadow with light from directly above (like you say with a torch beam) then we know sunlight much come vertically straight down from above at one location on earth at least once per day. That means the dome theory needs a small modification to work. I'm just musing at what that could be. Floating rotating prisms seems like the best bet to me.

It is fascinating how something as simple as a stick in the ground can be so profound. When I read about Eratosthenes experiment it was so simple and so beautiful at the same time and led him to work out the size of earth I was so impressed. 240 years before Jesus was born (when he did the experiment not when I read about it)

 

[DPTT]

Because objects are farther away from that angle of light or closer to it.

Unless you want to elaborate and make it absolutely clear what you mean.

No, it would be blackness from point of origin until it hits the dome and angles back to Earth.

How?

 

[What A Waster]

I know he’s said this massive hole has never been found by us normal people but surely someone would have noticed this light permanently emitting from the ground up like

Exactly.

On December 21st, winter solstice in the North, it's 24 hours darkness at the North pole.

On the same day it's the summer solstice in the southern hemisphere. Ushuaia, the world's most southern city is 10,000 miles from the north pole. It gets 17 hours of daylight. Pretty much what we get here at the peak of summer. Sunset is 22.11, which is later than we have in the NE of England. For us here at that time of year it doesn't properly get dark until nearly 11 and even then the sky still looks light in the distance. It's not a proper darkness but a twilight. Then by about 3.30am for us the sky starts lightening in the east as the sun rises.

So in Ushuaia they will have similar conditions to us. They're 54° south, we're 55° north.
So how can they get 17+ hours daylight 10,000 miles away from the north pole, yet people in darkness for 24 hours don't notice a light source shining up (but not illuminating the area around it). It's bright enough to light a place for 17 hours a day 10,000 miles away but gives off nothing locally.

@Nukehasslefan what are your thoughts on this?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Yes, that is my point exactly. You can't have a light source bounce up off a concave surface like a dome and come vertically down in another location, if that source is from the centre. Angles and reflections just don't work like that. As you get no shadow with light from directly above (like you say with a torch beam) then we know sunlight much come vertically straight down from above at one location on earth at least once per day. That means the dome theory needs a small modification to work. I'm just musing at what that could be. Floating rotating prisms seems like the best bet to me.

Maybe not perfectly vertical, no, but then again I'm not putting that forward. If I was then it would go right back to its source which sort of defeats the object of it happening.

It's angled by central crystals and hits the dome at an angle which alters the dome in terms of making it appear to breathe. Like a small sag at that point as the reflection ois moving onto it as it slowly move over it.

Any stick/pole or whatever in direct path of the resulting beam will show no real shadow.
Anything outside of it into the angle of it will show shadow which will lengthen depending on distance away from angle as the beam is blocked from hitting the area just in front of the stick to the point where the beam angle hits ground again after obstruction.

 

[Nobby]

How?

Because light is created from sounds ( you must remember that bit) so the arcing super carbon must be silent.

The as yet unformed light then hits the dome where despite the massive energy it doesn't melt the frozen hydrogen and helium. The friction it causes makes a sound humans can't hear or otherwise detect and this sound turns into light which then goes through some as yet undiscovered diffuser reflector that sends it down to the surface where the friction causes us to feel the heat.

Although for some reason friction reducing liquids such as oils heat up and cook things (like your skin) rather than cool them down.

Simple really

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Makes you wonder how they get 24 hours darkness in winter as well if that is where the light comes from and they can't even see it shining upwards

You only see a beam if particles in the atmosphere allow it.

I know he’s said this massive hole has never been found by us normal people but surely someone would have noticed this light permanently emitting from the ground up like

There is no light emitting from the ground up.
Not as in us seeing anything like we would with a search light in atmospheric particles.

The best we would see are the remnants of it, such as certain wavelengths around the area but not a beam.

 

[DPTT]

Because light is created from sounds ( you must remember that bit) so the arcing super carbon must be silent.

The as yet unformed light then hits the dome where despite the massive energy it doesn't melt the frozen hydrogen and helium. The friction it causes makes a sound humans can't hear or otherwise detect and this sound turns into light which then goes through some as yet undiscovered diffuser reflector that sends it down to the surface where the friction causes us to feel the heat.

Although for some reason friction reducing liquids such as oils heat up and cook things (like your skin) rather than cool them down.

Simple really

Makes sense now

You only see a beam if particles in the atmosphere allow it.

There is no light emitting from the ground up.
Not as in us seeing anything like we would with a search light in atmospheric particles.

The best we would see are the remnants of it, such as certain wavelengths around the area but not a beam.

So what is emitting from the ground up then?
Apologies if you’ve said this before but am a bit confused

 

[What A Waster]

You only see a beam if particles in the atmosphere allow it.

There is no light emitting from the ground up.
Not as in us seeing anything like we would with a search light in atmospheric particles.

The best we would see are the remnants of it, such as certain wavelengths around the area but not a beam.

So how does it turn into light?

If its a reflection then it can only relfect what is shone into it in the first place.

 

[Harry Angstrom]

Because objects are farther away from that angle of light or closer to it.

Unless you want to elaborate and make it absolutely clear what you mean.

You appear to have no understanding of basic concepts of science. That was my initial post and you have, so far, not given any evidence that I’m wrong.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Exactly.

On December 21st, winter solstice in the North, it's 24 hours darkness at the North pole.

On the same day it's the summer solstice in the southern hemisphere. Ushuaia, the world's most southern city is 10,000 miles from the north pole. It gets 17 hours of daylight. Pretty much what we get here at the peak of summer. Sunset is 22.11, which is later than we have in the NE of England. For us here at that time of year it doesn't properly get dark until nearly 11 and even then the sky still looks light in the distance. It's not a proper darkness but a twilight. Then by about 3.30am for us the sky starts lightening in the east as the sun rises.

So in Ushuaia they will have similar conditions to us. They're 54° south, we're 55° north.
So how can they get 17+ hours daylight 10,000 miles away from the north pole, yet people in darkness for 24 hours don't notice a light source shining up (but not illuminating the area around it). It's bright enough to light a place for 17 hours a day 10,000 miles away but gives off nothing locally.

@Nukehasslefan what are your thoughts on this?

I mentioned how the carbon arc moves up and down, slightly which changes angle of the reflection as it moves around. This can move it closer to the centre or farther away from it.

The south pole does not exist as any point.
If the sun reflection hits one area as it moves over and around it can keep that more pinpoint part within its angle of reflection much faster over a shorter distance around the circle.

Makes sense now

So what is emitting from the ground up then?
Apologies if you’ve said this before but am a bit confused

Ask your friends they'll get you up to speed.

 

[What A Waster]

I mentioned how the carbon arc moves up and down, slightly which changes angle of the reflection as it moves around. This can move it closer to the centre or farther away from it.

The south pole does not exist as any point.
If the sun reflection hits one area as it moves over and around it can keep that more pinpoint part within its angle of reflection much faster over a shorter distance around the circle.

I never mentioned the South Pole. I mentioned a place in Argentina.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

So how does it turn into light?

If its a reflection then it can only relfect what is shone into it in the first place.

Wavelengths from vibrational frequencies through the ever changing atmospheric layers.

You appear to have no understanding of basic concepts of science. That was my initial post and you have, so far, not given any evidence that I’m wrong.

Then don't worry about it.

I never mentioned the South Pole. I mentioned a place in Argentina.

A place in the your south pole is what you term as being in Argentina, right?

 

[DPTT]

I mentioned how the carbon arc moves up and down, slightly which changes angle of the reflection as it moves around. This can move it closer to the centre or farther away from it.

The south pole does not exist as any point.
If the sun reflection hits one area as it moves over and around it can keep that more pinpoint part within its angle of reflection much faster over a shorter distance around the circle.

Ask your friends they'll get you up to speed.

Am presuming it’s light and heat from your sun which sits in this massive hold covered by crystals
But then you said no light is emitting from this and surely we could detect the massive heat source coming from this hole?
Surely if a plane flew inadvertently over this hole it would just burn it to bits instantly?

 

[What A Waster]

Wavelengths from vibrational frequencies through the ever changing atmospheric layers.

Then don't worry about it.

A place in the your south pole is what you term as being in Argentina, right?

No. The south pole and southern hemisphere are different.

 

[DaveH]

Maybe not perfectly vertical, no, but then again I'm not putting that forward. If I was then it would go right back to its source which sort of defeats the object of it happening.

It's angled by central crystals and hits the dome at an angle which alters the dome in terms of making it appear to breathe. Like a small sag at that point as the reflection ois moving onto it as it slowly move over it.

Any stick/pole or whatever in direct path of the resulting beam will show no real shadow.
Anything outside of it into the angle of it will show shadow which will lengthen depending on distance away from angle as the beam is blocked from hitting the area just in front of the stick to the point where the beam angle hits ground again after obstruction.

If the dome warped then it would give that effect so fair enough.

So now we have projection crystals that all move around a bit to shine the sun, stars, fake satellites, comets and other things, all moving independently in an area where there is no weather to block out the projector. The one that shines the sun moves the most, spinning around in 24 hours while also arcing back and forwards over the course of 12 months. When that light/sound hits the dome, the dome warps to give the impression of a sun observed from the globe and allowing the sun to appear overhead. This rock hard absolute zero dome, 'breaths' with the power of super carbon arc crystal emissions but the visual effect of the sun warping the crystal is never seen. But as the sun moves around, the dome self heals, reverting back to a perfect smooth mirror, to show the stars at night without any warping in the reflections. But this reflected sun can't be seen from anywhere under the dome like it would under a normal dome because of magic bending light, leaving the other half of the earth in complete darkness.

I think I'm following now and when I read the simplicity of that, I see what you mean when you say the global model is a series of fudges to make it work.

 

[What A Waster]

Ushuaia 55°S. Cape Town 33°S. Hobart 55°S.

Ushuaia current local time. 05.45.
Cape Town current time 10.45.
Hobart current time 18.45.






On 21st December all these places will have daylight at the same time. Sunset in Hobart is 20.48, it's 11 hours ahead of Ushuaia. So for approximately 4 hour hours they're all simultaneously having sunlight.

Now, on a spherical globe that works.
On the flat/circle shaped one they're all over the place. How can the sun effectively shine for longer on the southern most tips of 3 continents across a range of about 15,000 miles (probably even greater distance in discworld), but keep more northern places darker.

Why does it get darker earlier the further north you go? Hobart and Ushuaia at 55°S get a longer day than Cape Town at 33°S for example. But hold on
.. 6 months later the further north you are the longer the days.
How does the reflection change its lightning up times, and centralize its light in May/June/July, but then ignore the centre in December and aim only at the circumference?

It's crazy stuff