Put a flat earthier into space

[Toronado]

Could be ?!? The possibility of something doesnt really do much against being able to see globe planets and satellites even with your own eyes at times nevermind telescopes and the likes ! you talk of possibilities there but has there ever been any images recorded of a flat planet anywhere in any system in the universe ?!??

what do you mean ‘ merely lights ‘ and ‘ you do not see planets ‘

 

[Harry Angstrom]

What is going on is, they work but instead of making out it's due to a globe it's due to following the actual moving lights over the dome.


As above.

You see, we can test out flatness or curvature in many simple ways.
We can observe, test and repeat this for flatness on water.

A dome overhead from this and points of moving lights can be followed to destinations. We observe the moving lights but are told its us that's moving, not them.
We do not sense nor observe anything for a globe when 5 minutes of anyone's time is took to look at it unbiasedly.

You still haven't explained shadows of a stick.

 

[payne]

Could be ?!? The possibility of something doesnt really do much against being able to see globe planets and satellites even with your own eyes at times nevermind telescopes and the likes ! you talk of possibilities there but has there ever been any images recorded of a flat planet anywhere in any system in the universe ?!??

what do you mean ‘ merely lights ‘ and ‘ you do not see planets ‘

If you haven't read the thread he doesn't believe space as we know it exists. There's the earth which is effectively in a snow globe and everything we see in the sky is a projection onto a dome from a central point in the middle of the basically flat planet.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I'm lost.

Why does the stick's shadow length and angle differ on where the stick is and what time of day and year it is?

Because the reflected light from the sun back to the stick gets farther away from it, meaning the angle becomes greater, making the casting shadow longer as opposed to the sun moving towards and up and over the down to make the angle more acute, leaving a smaller angle of shadow.

Unless I'm missing your point.

I think I'm out.

it was amusing for a little while but the bloke is crackers. The shadow on the stick was my test of his system and it has failed miserably.

As I said earlier he fails to comprehend the most simple science and comes up with some fantastical world. fair play to him but I cannot even understand how he got to think the way he does.

You've done no test on my system.

Could be ?!? The possibility of something doesnt really do much against being able to see globe planets and satellites even with your own eyes at times nevermind telescopes and the likes ! you talk of possibilities there but has there ever been any images recorded of a flat planet anywhere in any system in the universe ?!??

what do you mean ‘ merely lights ‘ and ‘ you do not see planets ‘

Exactly what I've just said earlier.

You still haven't explained shadows of a stick.

I just did.

 

[Toronado]

If you haven't read the thread he doesn't believe space as we know it exists. There's the earth which is effectively in a snow globe and everything we see in the sky is a projection onto a dome from a central point in the middle of the basically flat planet.

yeah i admit i havent read every page but this isnt his first flat earth massive thread/debate either is it !

seems to be very clever at picking and choosing hat points he answers and avoids !

must be a tory and a fan or pmq’s

Because the reflected light from the sun back to the stick gets farther away from it, meaning the angle becomes greater, making the casting shadow longer as opposed to the sun moving towards and up and over the down to make the angle more acute, leaving a smaller angle of shadow.

Unless I'm missing your point.

You've done no test on my system.

Exactly what I've just said earlier.

I just did.

Okay has there ever been a documented even debatable ‘ proof ‘ of a flat planet ?!?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Okay has there ever been a documented even debatable ‘ proof ‘ of a flat planet ?!?

Has there ever been a documented, even debatable proof of a spinning global Earth?

 

[payne]

Has there ever been a documented, even debatable proof of a spinning global Earth?

you're surely consistent

 

[Toronado]

Has there ever been a documented, even debatable proof of a spinning global Earth?

Now now my wife gives me hell whenever i answer her question with a question mind !

theres a body of debatable evidence of a spinning globe yes even you must admit this otherwise what in the world are tour 35,456 posts on the topic ?!?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Now now my wife gives me hell whenever i answer her question with a question mind !

My wife does, also.
But sometimes you have to fight fire with fire and this is the best way to do so.

theres a body of debatable evidence of a spinning globe yes even you must admit this otherwise what in the world are tour 35,456 posts on the topic ?!?

Debatable evidence is exactly, what?
Is it a proof?

 

[Toronado]

My wife does, also.
But sometimes you have to fight fire with fire and this is the best way to do so.

Debatable evidence is exactly, what?
Is it a proof?

Can you answer the question of whether or not theres has been any record photos or images or anything near a flat planet in the existence anywhere ever ?!?

 

[Harry Angstrom]

Because the reflected light from the sun back to the stick gets farther away from it, meaning the angle becomes greater, making the casting shadow longer as opposed to the sun moving towards and up and over the down to make the angle more acute, leaving a smaller angle of shadow.

Unless I'm missing your point.

You've done no test on my system.

I just did.

You haven't explained how the length and angle of a shadow of a stick is constantly and systematically changing on a daily and annual basis.

that is the test of your system I have set and so far, you haven't even tried to explain to me how it happens.

It is a fairly simple phenomena and it is explained extremely concisely using the world as a globe rotating daily, in an annual orbit around the sun. That makes consistent and utter sense. Anyone with a fairly basic grasp of concepts can understand this. They may decide it isn't for them but it is something that makes perfect sense to me.

If you cannot explain something as simple as that then I'm afraid I reserve the right to call you an absolute deluded fruitcake.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You haven't explained how the length and angle of a shadow of a stick is constantly and systematically changing on a daily and annual basis.

that is the test of your system I have set and so far, you haven't even tried to explain to me how it happens.

It is a fairly simple phenomena and it is explained extremely concisely using the world as a globe rotating daily, in an annual orbit around the sun. That makes consistent and utter sense. Anyone with a fairly basic grasp of concepts can understand this. They may decide it isn't for them but it is something that makes perfect sense to me.

It only makes perfect sense to you because you've been told it is.

I could tell you a magician pulls a real rabbit out of an empty hat because the rabbit is broken down into atoms and stored on the bottom of the hat, absorbed into the fabric until the magician flicks a bit of water on it to make the atoms reattach to form the rabbit back into the hat for a TAHDAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH moment.

Now you can argue this is silly but only because you were shown how it is really done.
You don't have that privilege with your globe and sun but you accept the explanation because that's what you supposedly see from your seat on the crowd perspective.
As for me explaining. I did explain it so what are you going on about?

If you cannot explain something as simple as that then I'm afraid I reserve the right to call you an absolute deluded fruitcake.

That's so mild it's almost pleasant. Feel free.

 

[taipeisafc]

It only makes perfect sense to you because you've been told it is.

I could tell you a magician pulls a real rabbit out of an empty hat because the rabbit is broken down into atoms and stored on the bottom of the hat, absorbed into the fabric until the magician flicks a bit of water on it to make the atoms reattach to form the rabbit back into the hat for a TAHDAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH moment.

Now you can argue this is silly but only because you were shown how it is really done.
You don't have that privilege with your globe and sun but you accept the explanation because that's what you supposedly see from your seat on the crowd perspective.
As for me explaining. I did explain it so what are you going on about?

That's so mild it's almost pleasant. Feel free.

And there we go - why answer when you can spout a load of drivel instead.

 

[Harry Angstrom]

It only makes perfect sense to you because you've been told it is.

I could tell you a magician pulls a real rabbit out of an empty hat because the rabbit is broken down into atoms and stored on the bottom of the hat, absorbed into the fabric until the magician flicks a bit of water on it to make the atoms reattach to form the rabbit back into the hat for a TAHDAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH moment.

Now you can argue this is silly but only because you were shown how it is really done.
You don't have that privilege with your globe and sun but you accept the explanation because that's what you supposedly see from your seat on the crowd perspective.
As for me explaining. I did explain it so what are you going on about?

That's so mild it's almost pleasant. Feel free.

how does the shadow on the stick move in a systematic way? Constantly, daily and annually?

And there we go - why answer when you can spout a load of drivel instead.

It's a fairly simple phenomena. A shadow made by a stick.

 

[DaveH]

What is going on is, they work but instead of making out it's due to a globe it's due to following the actual moving lights over the dome.


As above.

You see, we can test out flatness or curvature in many simple ways.
We can observe, test and repeat this for flatness on water.

A dome overhead from this and points of moving lights can be followed to destinations. We observe the moving lights but are told its us that's moving, not them.
We do not sense nor observe anything for a globe when 5 minutes of anyone's time is took to look at it unbiasedly.



But you don't see these things. You are told they're globes and planets and that's it. From that point your observations become built on that storyline.


My Earth I go with is a cell. That is not flat.


Like I said.

Reflections off a dome.

So you are happy to bow to authority and accept that navigation by stars works, by something somehow? But, you don't understand how it actually works, why measuring something to a point of light in the sky can somehow let you know how far south you are and hence navigate successfully. Nothing wrong with that, nobody can be expected to learn about everything.

 

[fixxxer]

one of the highlights of the week is allowing a few pages of this thread to build up before diving head first into the madness

 

[payne]

So you are happy to bow to authority and accept that navigation by stars works, by something somehow? But, you don't understand how it actually works, why measuring something to a point of light in the sky can somehow let you know how far south you are and hence navigate successfully. Nothing wrong with that, nobody can be expected to learn about everything.

I'm amazed he's come to all his ideas independently. It's such a feat of brainpower to solve the puzzle all by ones self. Even the most revered of actors (scientists) generally are in one field and aren't experts outside of their line of work.

He really needs to get his message out to the masses to expose this fiction. Could make a fortune on tv appearances.

one of the highlights of the week is allowing a few pages of this thread to build up before diving head first into the madness

I haven't got the patience for that.

 

[DaveH]

how does the shadow on the stick move in a systematic way? Constantly, daily and annually?


It's a fairly simple phenomena. A shadow made by a stick.

It is the no shadow at midday on the summer solstice if you are on the Tropic of Capricorn that has me.

To form no shadow, light has to travel vertically down. We can try this with any light source we want. Like I demonstrated the other day, you can't have this as a single reflection on any shape if the light source is at the same level as what you are shining it on.

But this could work with a pair of triangular prisms, perhaps that is what is going on. If you took a flat surface and placed a light source shining straight up, then placed a right angle glass prism at some height above, then you could turn the light 90 degrees and have it travel horizontally. You then need another prism to turn the light 90 degrees again and point straight down.

To modify the dome so it works, all you need is a floating prism which rotates fully over the course of 24 hours, placed pretty high above projection central. You then have another prism (which could be attached to the dome or floating) above the tropics, directing the light straight back down. That secondary prism would drift over the course of 12 months between being over the Tropic of Cancer and back to the Tropic of Capricorn. It would also travel around the globe every 24 hours to maintain aligned with the central prism.

I've said all the long that you can't build a working model of the flat/dome earth where you can for a globe, but actually the addition of two prisms to change the reflection angle and it works quite nicely while both explaining shadows and seasons.

Does this sound like a reasonable mod?

 

[Harry Angstrom]

It is the no shadow at midday on the summer solstice if you are on the Tropic of Capricorn that has me.

To form no shadow, light has to travel vertically down. We can try this with any light source we want. Like I demonstrated the other day, you can't have this as a single reflection on any shape if the light source is at the same level as what you are shining it on.

But this could work with a pair of triangular prisms, perhaps that is what is going on. If you took a flat surface and placed a light source shining straight up, then placed a right angle glass prism at some height above, then you could turn the light 90 degrees and have it travel horizontally. You then need another prism to turn the light 90 degrees again and point straight down.

To modify the dome so it works, all you need is a floating prism which rotates fully over the course of 24 hours, placed pretty high above projection central. You then have another prism (which could be attached to the dome or floating) above the tropics, directing the light straight back down. That secondary prism would drift over the course of 12 months between being over the Tropic of Cancer and back to the Tropic of Capricorn. It would also travel around the globe every 24 hours to maintain aligned with the central prism.

I've said all the long that you can't build a working model of the flat/dome earth where you can for a globe, but actually the addition of two prisms to change the reflection angle and it works quite nicely while both explaining shadows and seasons.

Does this sound like a reasonable mod?

He will be taking that one

I'm not sure it would work mind

 

[0verlord44]

Has there ever been a documented, even debatable proof of a spinning global Earth?

yep, tons of it. End of thread