Put a flat earthier into space

[gabbiadini1]

 

[What A Waster]

Some good sighting opportunities coming up for the ISS over the next few weeks.
Baffled as to why they went to the trouble of fabricating a new moving projection on the dome that is observable everywhere in the world. You think it'd be easier to just not bother.

 

[Kevj]

Some good sighting opportunities coming up for the ISS over the next few weeks.
Baffled as to why they went to the trouble of fabricating a new moving projection on the dome that is observable everywhere in the world. You think it'd be easier to just not bother.

I think it’s an anomaly in the projections. So ‘those in the know’ that are trying to conceal the real truth from everyone else (science sheep) created a fictitious satellite many months before it’s appearance on the dome.
It’s the only thing that makes sense.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Have you made your own superfluid?

I think phrases like "I've done my own experiments" then refuse to say what they are, can be perceived by others as being untruthful.

You're entitled to believe what you wish.

It hints to a complete absence of any experiments.

In your mind.

It is fair enough to doubt the results and validity of experiments made over thousands of years of scientific development. But when they are replaced by "secret" experiments it doesn't add much balance.

There's nothing secret, other than what we get told to accept as a truth, without proof and when asked for proof, it's a secret or cannot be directly proven to be a reality.
This is the global ideal. IMO.

It is along similar lines of "well I think I have a greater information source", which is a standard line from a conspiracy theorist play book.

It goes along the lines of " well, it looks like there's observable, testable and repeatable experiments that show the Earth not to be a spinning globe.
However, when people can stand up and argue for water convexly curving and yet still showing a level, then you simply have to carry on doing your own stuff while they adhere to their stuff.

A lad in my team is like a work conspiracy theorist, and follows the same patterns as flat earth, twin towers attacks and other discussions I've seen. He comes out will all sorts of stuff that is apparently going on and going to happen at work, and each time challenged "well I have my information sources, but I can't tell you what they are".

One day he was claiming something, getting the rest of the team wound up and I had to say that is the opposite of what is happening. Sure enough "Well, I think I have a better source of information than you on this one". "Erm no. The decision on this was made half an hour ago between me, the director and other senior managers. I was the one who put forward this solution". The response, a knowing smile and a nod, "as long as you feel like you have been involved, that is the main thing but I know for certain that is not what is going to happen.". Sure enough what I said happened and what he claimed didn't. But he was convinced he knew better. Could not reveal his information or sources of course.

Good story but it's just words saying you know this and that.
You're bound to argue against any person who goes again st the grain. It's pretty evident on here. The thing is it does not make you right until you have proof. Up to now you've offered nothing for a proof on anything being argued.

Forum likes and back slapping for your stories is not a proof of anything.

When it comes to conspiracy theorists, I think that is a natural form of defence.

Sometimes you must fight fire with fire.

You doubt some of the maths I use as bowing to authority, fair enough.

Maths is just that. There's nothing wrong with maths as long as it's used for the right calculations.
This is where the problem lies when a spinning global Earth is involved.

But, I maintain things like the circumference of a circle is 2πr.
I have something out there to be attacked along with all the other maths and physics posted on this forum. But what I find with conspiracy theorists is they never have the details, never the experiments, only ever vague hints.

Only natural sceptics are not going to be in possession of the truth's of potential lies, because they're cloaked behind balderdash calculations for unprovable things.

I consistently get told stuff like " it's simple trig, we learned it at school" or " this is junior school stuff" and whatever.
Then people like yourself argue that you can tell the size and distance of a star or a moon or whatever.
I asked you to prove it and you couldn't, except to simply go by what you've been told.

By all means correct me if you think I'm wrong.

Nobody is going to come out and say the circumference is 14cos(squirrel), because it can be disproven.

Yet this is what we get told all teh time with a global spinning Earth, just set out in a slightly different gobbledygook way.

Or in other words, nothing there to be attacked. It is a safe defence.

I agree, for those who set this global stuff up and people like you who argue it based on that info.

I think it is what keeps their discussion going.

What keeps the discussion going is basically two things.

1. The fact that nothing from your side can be proven and the reliance is based on following the narrative.


2. Attempted ridicule when things cannot be proven.

That's what keeps the discussion going.

Something with details can be shot down, a vague hint can't, so their theory continues.

As the one you follow, does.

The discussion here today is a great example. "I have experiments to prove what I'm saying", "Can you tell us more", "No"...oh, well that is the end of that discussion isn't it?

Basically, yes.

I think it is the same reason you will not provide the shape of your earth.

No need to. I'm explaining bits of it. Try and put the pieces together, or don't.

We can demonstrate the globe works, but can't prove or disprove yours, because there is nothing there to attack or disprove.

You can demonstrate how anything fictional works if you marry up the calculations to what you postulate.

It is the invisible rhino in the corner that only you know is there.

And this is exactly the global spinning Earth.

 

[Hend79]

Yet again no actual proof of your ramblings

 

[Nukehasslefan]

This is way beyond misunderstanding, this is deliberate trolling.

My advice to you is ignore me and get anyone else to do so who believes I'm trolling.
By not doing so you are feeding this troll you pretend I am.
Try it and give yourself a happier time.
It's just one topic, why the frenzy?

Elements exist, because the acquired knowledge of science says the elements exist.
Superfluids, gases, liquids, solids, temperatures, pressures, they all exist because the acquired knowledge of science says they exist.

Planets, stars, galaxies, gravity, trigonometry, in fact all of mathematics, no, they don't exist because they're just stories that the sheeple believe...

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

Whatever you feel you need to go with.

.

What is hydrogen? What is helium?

Broken down elements into their more expanded form. IMO.

What do you think?

I don't believe they exist. I've never seen them.

Then stick with that if that suits you, until you feel you can accept something different.

Are we supposed to believe that these so-called "gases" that are invisible supposedly exist?

No. Only if you feel they may be a reality. It's down to you.

I'm not going to believe these arguments from authority.

You're entitled to believe what you wish.

What is pressure?

I believe it's compressed matter. What do you think?

Are we supposed to believe that this magical invisible so-called "force" actually exists?

Nope, you can not believe a word of it if that suits you.

Sounds like an argument from authority to me.

It could well be.

What's a superfluid?

I briefly explained my side. What do you think it is?

I've never seen one.

No probem.

I've heard so-called "scientists" talking about them but I've never seen one.

No problem.

Are we supposed to just believe they exist and act in the way Nukehasslefan says they act?

Nope. You are not obliged to believe anything and also you're not obliged to correspond to this post or me ever again if you so wish.

Sounds like an argument from authority to me.

Could be.

 

[What A Waster]

My advice to you is ignore me and get anyone else to do so who believes I'm trolling.
By not doing so you are feeding this troll you pretend I am.
Try it and give yourself a happier time.
It's just one topic, why the frenzy?

Whatever you feel you need to go with.



Broken down elements into their more expanded form. IMO.

What do you think?

Then stick with that if that suits you, until you feel you can accept something different.


No. Only if you feel they may be a reality. It's down to you.

You're entitled to believe what you wish.


I believe it's compressed matter. What do you think?

Nope, you can not believe a word of it if that suits you.

It could well be.

I briefly explained my side. What do you think it is?

No probem.


No problem.


Nope. You are not obliged to believe anything and also you're not obliged to correspond to this post or me ever again if you so wish.

Could be.

Have you made your own superfluid?

 

[Hend79]

My advice to you is ignore me and get anyone else to do so who believes I'm trolling.
By not doing so you are feeding this troll you pretend I am.
Try it and give yourself a happier time.
It's just one topic, why the frenzy?

Whatever you feel you need to go with.



Broken down elements into their more expanded form. IMO.

What do you think?

Then stick with that if that suits you, until you feel you can accept something different.


No. Only if you feel they may be a reality. It's down to you.

You're entitled to believe what you wish.


I believe it's compressed matter. What do you think?

Nope, you can not believe a word of it if that suits you.

It could well be.

I briefly explained my side. What do you think it is?

No probem.


No problem.


Nope. You are not obliged to believe anything and also you're not obliged to correspond to this post or me ever again if you so wish.

Could be.

Show us proof of your ramblings please.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Have you made your own superfluid?

Have you?

 

[What A Waster]

Have you?

No of course not. I've got no reason to.
Have you made your own? Just wondering how you know about it

 

[Nukehasslefan]

No of course not. I've got no reason to.
Have you made your own? Just wondering how you know about it

Let's just accept that I know about it.

 

[Hend79]

Let's just accept that I know about it.

No, lets not accept it. Show us proof please.

 

[Tex]

I think phrases like "I've done my own experiments" then refuse to say what they are, can be perceived by others as being untruthful. It hints to a complete absence of any experiments. It is fair enough to doubt the results and validity of experiments made over thousands of years of scientific development. But when they are replaced by "secret" experiments it doesn't add much balance.

It is along similar lines of "well I think I have a greater information source", which is a standard line from a conspiracy theorist play book. A lad in my team is like a work conspiracy theorist, and follows the same patterns as flat earth, twin towers attacks and other discussions I've seen. He comes out will all sorts of stuff that is apparently going on and going to happen at work, and each time challenged "well I have my information sources, but I can't tell you what they are".

One day he was claiming something, getting the rest of the team wound up and I had to say that is the opposite of what is happening. Sure enough "Well, I think I have a better source of information than you on this one". "Erm no. The decision on this was made half an hour ago between me, the director and other senior managers. I was the one who put forward this solution". The response, a knowing smile and a nod, "as long as you feel like you have been involved, that is the main thing but I know for certain that is not what is going to happen.". Sure enough what I said happened and what he claimed didn't. But he was convinced he knew better. Could not reveal his information or sources of course.

When it comes to conspiracy theorists, I think that is a natural form of defence. You doubt some of the maths I use as bowing to authority, fair enough. But, I maintain things like the circumference of a circle is 2πr. I have something out there to be attacked along with all the other maths and physics posted on this forum. But what I find with conspiracy theorists is they never have the details, never the experiments, only ever vague hints. Nobody is going to come out and say the circumference is 14cos(squirrel), because it can be disproven. Or in other words, nothing there to be attacked. It is a safe defence. I think it is what keeps their discussion going. Something with details can be shot down, a vague hint can't, so their theory continues. There is also the attention grabbing bit "Oh please tell me more of your wisdom?", which both gives attention and elevates their status in their minds as a sage holding secret wisdom, rather than what they actually are.

The discussion here today is a great example. "I have experiments to prove what I'm saying", "Can you tell us more", "No"...oh, well that is the end of that discussion isn't it? I think it is the same reason you will not provide the shape of your earth. We can demonstrate the globe works, but can't prove or disprove yours, because there is nothing there to attack or disprove. It is the invisible rhino in the corner that only you know is there.

Yeah this is a more extended version of my earlier statement that it all stems from insecurity.
“I did crap at my O levels and nobody thought I was very bright in my school days, but I’ve done my research and I know more than you”.
“OK then prove it, what do you know?”
“It’s a secret, not for the likes of sheep such as you! You’ve been totally taken in by the mainstream. As for what I know - you’re just gonna have to take it on faith that I’m right and you’re wrong”

That’s pretty much the essence of this entire thread

Reminds me of the joke:
Q - How many hipsters does it take to change a lightbulb?
A - It’s an obscure number you won’t have heard of!

Unless this dribbling lunatic (see what I did there) can …

Explain HOW this conspiracy has remained intact for centuries
Explain WHY this alleged conspiracy has been perpetrated on us for centuries
Explain the geographical layout of this flat earth with central energy source

then the whole shooting match is just the ramblings of an ill-informed person with some mental challenges and despite the efforts of @DaveH et al who have brought some interesting science i to the discussion nothing is gonna change.

At some point he may come out with the tired old SMB saw “Ha! I was only fishing and I hooked the lot of you in!”

 

[taipeisafc]

Let's just accept that I know about it.

You have already shown that you dont with your drivel earlier on this thread.

 

[What A Waster]

Let's just accept that I know about it.

Relying on stories from authority, or did you make it yourself?

 

[zwartekat]

Sadly, there are signs that this most entertaining of threads could be coming to an end. Cracking stuff though.

Superfluid roolz!

 

[Tex]

Relying on stories from authority, or did you make it yourself?

No, we’re all sheep for relying without question on the stories we’ve been force fed for centuries … but we should just accept that he knows all about it.

 

[taipeisafc]

Relying on stories from authority, or did you make it yourself?

He is struggling now

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Relying on stories from authority, or did you make it yourself?

You choose. I'm ok with whatever you decide.

 

[Hend79]

If you keep on questioning him he will put you on ignore as I think thats what he has done with me. Hes an embarrassment