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England v New Zealand (1st test)


if this was the agreed stratergy it makes it quite obvious what the management think of the ability and mental strength of the current team
 
Could have knocked the ball
About a bit more for me like at least look like even for a tiny bit you are chasing the win now I don’t mean massive swings just a few more nice shots.
 
TheRey said:
Again mate, there is a massive area between hitting everything out the ground (or trying to), and blocking every single ball.

Pushing for singles, turning them into twos, hitting bad balls along the ground for four. It's been ridiculously passive
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I know you aren't suggesting trying to hit everything out of the ground. I'm just saying there was no need to show more intent as it always comes with more risk in a game that IMO we couldn't win with that team out.

However If Sibbers had shown a little more intent and got another 20 more his average in this match would have been higher than Burns - that would have improved your mood :lol:
 
chunkylover53 said:
They’ve sped up. If they’d started with a bit more intent , and then sped up….well

you’re taking what I’m saying wrong. I’m not asking them to go mental and start hitting. It’s about setting up a chance with some smart cricket. And if you lose a couple of wickets, fine you block.
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It is customary to score runs quicker when the ball gets old and the bowlers tire.

If we'd gone for it a bit more, we would probably have been 7 down and depending on our bowlers to block out. Why even risk it? It was a clever declaration and we rightly didn't take the bait.
 
New Zealand should have just said time lads,

think missing stokes and buttler means we can’t really chase games like that as we have no one in this current 11 who id really feel confident taking it on. Sib blocked a lot which the more modern fan didn’t like seeing I guess but 20-30years ago would be applauded a lot more. Was always England’s plan to take that draw we move on
 
I’ll look at the positives. Decent scores and time in the middle for the openers, Robinson looked good on debut as did all the bowlers. Root still batting very well

However, that middle order is a bit of a worry (I know we are missing a few)
 
chunkylover53 said:
Does anyone remember Shai Hope at Leeds? 3.52 they went at to win by 5 wickets.
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That wicket was a road in comparison. England had just made 490/8d
Concordsafc said:
New Zealand should have just said time lads,

think missing stokes and buttler means we can’t really chase games like that as we have no one in this current 11 who id really feel confident taking it on. Sib blocked a lot which the more modern fan didn’t like seeing I guess but 20-30years ago would be applauded a lot more. Was always England’s plan to take that draw we move on
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If we had those two in the team NZ wouldn't have declared when they did
 
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Sea to Shining Sea said:
If what Root was saying is true then I think he’ll be quite disappointed with Burns and particularly Sibley for their approach.
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Not at all Root was absolutely clear that he was delighted that our batsmen didn’t get out as he felt they had been too way to get out in the first innings. He realised that scoring runs was difficult and accepted I think fairly early on that the win was out of the equation.

i wouldn’t care I agree with you on Sibley in general I just think today is the wrong day to criticise him
 
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rentaghost said:
Not at all Root was absolutely clear that he was delighted that our batsmen didn’t get out as he felt they had been too way to get out in the first innings. He realised that scoring runs was difficult and accepted I think fairly early on that the win was out of the equation.

i wouldn’t care I agree with you on Sibley in general I just think today is the wrong day to criticise him
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Root’s BBC interview suggests he was disappointed with proceedings beyond the opening spell with the new ball. He’d not say it like.

With Sibley, I’ve no problem him playing his game which is attritional, unattractive but effective for him. That said, he very quickly has to develop his game to the point that he can punish bad balls. Regardless of situation, you need a shot to ease pressure and not get boxed in. Today, and in previous games, he blocked half volleys and even failed to properly hit two slow full tosses off the spinner. He is very limited and as a result needs to do something else. A simple thing is to be more positive in defence and look for singles, putting pressure on the field and not just allowing the opposition to be entirely settled against him. Whether we had a chance of chasing today’s total is up for debate but to me his approach throughout his innings lacked pro-activity and positive intent that made that total a complete non starter.
 
Sea to Shining Sea said:
Root’s BBC interview suggests he was disappointed with proceedings beyond the opening spell with the new ball. He’d not say it like.

With Sibley, I’ve no problem him playing his game which is attritional, unattractive but effective for him. That said, he very quickly has to develop his game to the point that he can punish bad balls. Regardless of situation, you need a shot to ease pressure and not get boxed in. Today, and in previous games, he blocked half volleys and even failed to properly hit two slow full tosses off the spinner. He is very limited and as a result needs to do something else. A simple thing is to be more positive in defence and look for singles, putting pressure on the field and not just allowing the opposition to be entirely settled against him. Whether we had a chance of chasing today’s total is up for debate but to me his approach throughout his innings lacked pro-activity and positive intent that made that total a complete non starter.
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I agree, the bottom line for me is top class cricketers should be able to adapt to the game situation.

There is times where a player needs to dig in and times when a player needs to play positively as the game dictates that.

And not sure Sibley capable of doing that at the top level.
 
Sea to Shining Sea said:
Root’s BBC interview suggests he was disappointed with proceedings beyond the opening spell with the new ball. He’d not say it like.

With Sibley, I’ve no problem him playing his game which is attritional, unattractive but effective for him. That said, he very quickly has to develop his game to the point that he can punish bad balls. Regardless of situation, you need a shot to ease pressure and not get boxed in. Today, and in previous games, he blocked half volleys and even failed to properly hit two slow full tosses off the spinner. He is very limited and as a result needs to do something else. A simple thing is to be more positive in defence and look for singles, putting pressure on the field and not just allowing the opposition to be entirely settled against him. Whether we had a chance of chasing today’s total is up for debate but to me his approach throughout his innings lacked pro-activity and positive intent that made that total a complete non starter.
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I agree with your wider points around Sibley but don't feel they were relevant today. Definitely relevant in general to have more scoring shots and be more proactive without putting to much pressure on others. i think today he did his job and his weaknesses 'werent a factor because winning was never a realistic option.. However we can agree to disagree
 
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