New signings for the 2021 season

[leecoo]

i think that’s where our opinions differ. South H. got in the league because it suited the DSL, not because of their infrastructure. If you go back 30 years prior to that I can only think of maybe the Lyons being accepted into the league, not really a good advert to say the ‘DSL did accept teams’. They were a closed shop.

Also South Hetton got into the League based on their 1st team success, not their infrastructure.

Hetton lyons got a bit messed around with DSL which is why they ended up in the county league before finally getting accepted into the DSL

By the way I do agree with an earlier post about average players getting paid these days, generally the same players moving from club to club chasing the money

 

[badger55]

Hetton lyons got a bit messed around with DSL which is why they ended up in the county league before finally getting accepted into the DSL

By the way I do agree with an earlier post about average players getting paid these days, generally the same players moving from club to club chasing the money

Hetton Lyons were in the Durham Coast League and were unhappy there, particularly about a new rule preventing overseas professionals.
They resigned and joined the Durham County League.

 

[minty]

Back in the 80's / 90's you didn't have much movement of players as you do now. Some first teams don't have more than 1 or 2 local lads now and its the norm to bring in 4 or 5 players a season now (paid or not)

Having played in both I think the NEPL is a better run league and very consistent with rules and looking ahead, compared to DSL who focused more on history and protection of clubs. I personally think the standard is weaker now but as previously stated due to other factors and not due to league administration

Cricket is about whole clubs and not just first teams so great to see junior sections growing but I do worry with the football just starting up that kids will have to pick and choose between sports

 

[wicketkeeper]

i think that’s where our opinions differ. South H. got in the league because it suited the DSL, not because of their infrastructure. If you go back 30 years prior to that I can only think of maybe the Lyons being accepted into the league, not really a good advert to say the ‘DSL did accept teams’. They were a closed shop.

Also South Hetton got into the League based on their 1st team success, not their infrastructure.

Marsden,Felling , South Hetton, Hetton Lyons all joined the DSL - no closed shop.

Back in the 80's / 90's you didn't have much movement of players as you do now. Some first teams don't have more than 1 or 2 local lads now and its the norm to bring in 4 or 5 players a season now (paid or not)

Having played in both I think the NEPL is a better run league and very consistent with rules and looking ahead, compared to DSL who focused more on history and protection of clubs. I personally think the standard is weaker now but as previously stated due to other factors and not due to league administration

Cricket is about whole clubs and not just first teams so great to see junior sections growing but I do worry with the football just starting up that kids will have to pick and choose between sports

I disagrree- there is no looking ahead. I give the NEPL 10 years at the most.
DSL lasted over 100 and would still be going. They protected their clubs as you say but that was a good thing.

The DSLs attitude towards other clubs was outrageous in my view. They protected clubs finishing bottom and effectively formed a barrier to other up and coming teams who were keen to progress. Their refusal to allow promotion and relegation was their downfall in my view.6

And yet none of their clubs folded.
They gave teams time to develop.
I know of teams with a lot of juniors who were bottinmm in tge 70s by the 80s the same players were winning the league. They had been given time to develop.
Now they would be kicked out and folded

The DSLs attitude towards other clubs was outrageous in my view. They protected clubs finishing bottom and effectively formed a barrier to other up and coming teams who were keen to progress. Their refusal to allow promotion and relegation was their downfall in my view.6

And yet none of their clubs folded.
They gave teams time to develop.
I know of teams with a lot of juniors who were bottom in the 70s by the 80s the same players were winning the league. They had been given time to develop.
Now they would be kicked out and folded

 

[NorthCountryBoy]

Marsden,Felling , South Hetton, Hetton Lyons all joined the DSL - no closed shop.

I disagrree- there is no looking ahead. I give the NEPL 10 years at the most.
DSL lasted over 100 and would still be going. They protected their clubs as you say but that was a good thing.

And yet none of their clubs folded.
They gave teams time to develop.
I know of teams with a lot of juniors who were bottinmm in tge 70s by the 80s the same players were winning the league. They had been given time to develop.
Now they would be kicked out and folded

And yet none of their clubs folded.
They gave teams time to develop.
I know of teams with a lot of juniors who were bottom in the 70s by the 80s the same players were winning the league. They had been given time to develop.
Now they would be kicked out and folded

North Durham and a previous version of Wearmouth folded within the DSL if I’m not mistaken?

 

[Johnap]

Didn't South Hetton and Seaham Harbour have to re-organise themselves?

Did South Hetton run out of money?

 

[minty]

Marsden,Felling , South Hetton, Hetton Lyons all joined the DSL - no closed shop.

I disagrree- there is no looking ahead. I give the NEPL 10 years at the most.
DSL lasted over 100 and would still be going. They protected their clubs as you say but that was a good thing.

And yet none of their clubs folded.
They gave teams time to develop.
I know of teams with a lot of juniors who were bottinmm in tge 70s by the 80s the same players were winning the league. They had been given time to develop.
Now they would be kicked out and folded

And yet none of their clubs folded.
They gave teams time to develop.
I know of teams with a lot of juniors who were bottom in the 70s by the 80s the same players were winning the league. They had been given time to develop.
Now they would be kicked out and folded

So what reason will the NEPL not last another 10 years? Another breakaway league somewhere?

With 2 divisions (which the DSL struggled to get the numbers), surely they have security for years to come plus backing of funding from ECB which also helps

 

[Eggman]

Marsden,Felling , South Hetton, Hetton Lyons all joined the DSL - no closed shop.

Hetton Lyons replaced a club who folded (either N Durham or Wearmouth)

Felling got in to balance the number of clubs up, because Durham Academy originally muscled themseleves in, in the mid 90s

Marsden/S Hetton got in because of other clubs leaving to join the NEPL.

So, it was a closed shop until it suited the DSL to act differently.

I disagrree- there is no looking ahead. I give the NEPL 10 years at the most.
DSL lasted over 100 and would still be going. They protected their clubs as you say but that was a good thing.

And yet none of their clubs folded.
They gave teams time to develop.
I know of teams with a lot of juniors who were bottinmm in tge 70s by the 80s the same players were winning the league. They had been given time to develop.
Now they would be kicked out and folded

As mentioned earlier both N Durham and an earlier incarnation of Wearmouth both folded.

Late 80s Hetton Lyons were treat shabbily by the DSL. They were encouraged to leave the Coast League but having applied to join the DSL they weren't allowed in. The Coast League then booted them out because they had applied to join another league without resigning first and so they had to join the County League for a few years until it suited the DSL to admit them.

Recent history being rewritten to prove your point ....

 

[Super K]

Thank you Eggman...that’s my point exactly. The Senior League was a closed shop until it suited them not to be. If teams never folded or the Premier League was non existent, then the teams in 1980 would be the teams in 2020 !

 

[pavarotti1980]

Thank you Eggman...that’s my point exactly. The Senior League was a closed shop until it suited them not to be. If teams never folded or the Premier League was non existent, then the teams in 1980 would be the teams in 2020 !

And the same miserable old twats running it

 

[Parkside]

Thank you Eggman...that’s my point exactly. The Senior League was a closed shop until it suited them not to be. If teams never folded or the Premier League was non existent, then the teams in 1980 would be the teams in 2020 !

True but was it not equally true of the Coast, Tyneside Senior and Northumberland league's in those times

 

[Eggman]

True but was it not equally true of the Coast, Tyneside Senior and Northumberland league's in those times

I can't speak for the TSL, though I know they did admit the likes of Felling and Whickham in the 80s/90s - though I don't know the circumstances.

The Coast League lost Felling in 85 and replaced them with Easington. In 86, they gained Vaux and Whickham as part of the league sponsorship by the brewery. South Hylton folded mid season and shortly after Hetton Lyons left. Then Vaux and Eppleton CW folded. These were replaced by the likes Bill Quay, Hylton CW and Houghton. So generally it was a flexible membership.

In Northumberland there was a huge shake up at the end of the 1977 season, for similar reasons to the Durham Senior League saga. The 'big' clubs decided they didn't want to be threatened with relegation and so broke away from the Northumberland League and formed the stand alone Northumberland County League, to protect themselves from slumming it at lesser grounds. The original Northumberland League continued on for 30 or more years with a two division first team league, one division for second XI's and a separate midweek league. Several clubs folded, like George Angus, Westerhope and Blue Star and were replaced by teams like Guide Post

 

[SAFC2012]

Just been notified of confirmation that no spectators are allowed until 17th May at the earliest. This is in the ECB newsletter that I referred to last week that was due to be published today.

 

[callum]

Just been notified of confirmation that no spectators are allowed until 17th May at the earliest. This is in the ECB newsletter that I referred to last week that was due to be published today.

Seems idiotic. But hey, gather in your droves down the beach.

 

[wicketkeeper]

Hetton Lyons replaced a club who folded (either N Durham or Wearmouth)

Felling got in to balance the number of clubs up, because Durham Academy originally muscled themseleves in, in the mid 90s

Marsden/S Hetton got in because of other clubs leaving to join the NEPL.

So, it was a closed shop until it suited the DSL to act differently.

As mentioned earlier both N Durham and an earlier incarnation of Wearmouth both folded.

Late 80s Hetton Lyons were treat shabbily by the DSL. They were encouraged to leave the Coast League but having applied to join the DSL they weren't allowed in. The Coast League then booted them out because they had applied to join another league without resigning first and so they had to join the County League for a few years until it suited the DSL to admit them.

Recent history being rewritten to prove your point ....

Two clubs in over 100 years.
Try and compare that to now. They are dropping like flies.

North Durham and a previous version of Wearmouth folded within the DSL if I’m not mistaken?

2 in over hundred years. Compare that to now.

And the same miserable old twats running it

Who made it the best league in the NE.

Thank you Eggman...that’s my point exactly. The Senior League was a closed shop until it suited them not to be. If teams never folded or the Premier League was non existent, then the teams in 1980 would be the teams in 2020 !

And all the better for it.
You got to know all the clubs and the players. Great friendly but competitive atmosphere

 

[minty]

NEPL start put back a week to consider clubs views on the new guidance due to be released (no spectators or outside bars open during games until at least 17th May)

Guess means delay until Saturday 22nd May

Two clubs in over 100 years.
Try and compare that to now. They are dropping like flies.

2 in over hundred years. Compare that to now.

Who made it the best league in the NE.

And all the better for it.
You got to know all the clubs and the players. Great friendly but competitive atmosphere

How many NEPL clubs have folded since it was created 20 plus years ago?? Durham Academy if you class it as a club

 

[wicketkeeper]

NEPL start put back a week to consider clubs views on the new guidance due to be released (no spectators or outside bars open during games until at least 17th May)

Guess means delay until Saturday 22nd May

How many NEPL clubs have folded since it was created 20 plus years ago?? Durham Academy if you class it as a club

They are the cause of a lot of other clubs folding or on their last legs..
South Hetton , Seaham Harbour, Durham City. Horden, all clubs who have declined since the DSL was wrecked.

 

[Eggman]

Two clubs in over 100 years.
Try and compare that to now. They are dropping like flies.

2 in over hundred years. Compare that to now.

Who made it the best league in the NE.

And all the better for it.
You got to know all the clubs and the players. Great friendly but competitive atmosphere

You have addressed one of my points but conveniently ignored the others, like the treatment of Hetton Lyons or allowing new clubs only when it suited them.

Any decent organisation looks outwardly as well as inwardly. The DSL never appear to have done that - a closed shop with committee places for 'the boys'.

Ultimately they got what they deserved

 

[pavarotti1980]

Who made it the best league in the NE.

How do you measure or quantify that statement?

NYSD was a far better league

 

[Voice of fair play]

This debate about what caused more clubs to fold and less participation in local club cricket is easy and clear really.

It’s the onset of more activities more choices for young people of what to do with their time whatever that may be.

In short it was inevitable, it was going to happen it’s simply changing times!

Anyone who thinks that if the DSL never folded or that the NEPL never existed that this would not have happened anyway is either extremely naive or is conveniently just forgetting that clearly and obvious reason to suit their own argument and agenda.

How do you measure or quantify that statement?

NYSD was a far better league

It wasn’t a far better league at all, you could argue there were both of similar standard and you could argue from whatever side you on, that one was slightly better than the other.

But sorry to say the NYSD was far better is complete nonsense imo