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NUFC thread 2021.

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Rosco said:
Lots of these replies on here have the same comments....."I have it on good authority / A mag I work with says that blah blah blah /A friend of a friend who walked Rafa's dog heard it from the horses mouth / A bloke down the pub etc etc etc".

Then the best of all... "Rafa got you relegated / Rafa fucked off to China / All mags almost wank over Rafa"........the facts are, 1 He was brought in to late to save us from relegation, 2 He only started negotiation's/visa application when it was clear Fat Mike wasn't going to offer assurances/money etc, 3 He was best manger we've had since Robson and the only people who keep banging on how we supposedly worship the guy is sad Sunderland fans.
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I'm usually quite happy fo let things ride and leave you all to bicker, but this deserves a response.
1. How was 10(?) games "too late to save you from relegation", given your position and the fixtures you had remaining? He's allegedly 'world class'. Are you saying he was incapable of organising the squad he had, making him no better than his predecessor? Which kind of negates his 'world class' tag if you think about it.
2. You don't know that, and if you do, please enlighten us with some sort of evidence.
3. Erm, no. Just look at the state of some of your brethren on here and other social media. It's embarrassing man.
 
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Rosco said:
Lots of these replies on here have the same comments....."I have it on good authority / A mag I work with says that blah blah blah /A friend of a friend who walked Rafa's dog heard it from the horses mouth / A bloke down the pub etc etc etc".

Then the best of all... "Rafa got you relegated / Rafa fucked off to China / All mags almost wank over Rafa"........the facts are, 1 He was brought in to late to save us from relegation, 2 He only started negotiation's/visa application when it was clear Fat Mike wasn't going to offer assurances/money etc, 3 He was best manger we've had since Robson and the only people who keep banging on how we supposedly worship the guy is sad Sunderland fans.
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He had plenty time man and piss easy games. He fucked up badly.

Imagine being relegated by Sunderland😬🙈

And youre all obsessed with him.
 
Rosco said:
Lots of these replies on here have the same comments....."I have it on good authority / A mag I work with says that blah blah blah /A friend of a friend who walked Rafa's dog heard it from the horses mouth / A bloke down the pub etc etc etc".

Then the best of all... "Rafa got you relegated / Rafa fucked off to China / All mags almost wank over Rafa"........the facts are, 1 He was brought in to late to save us from relegation, 2 He only started negotiation's/visa application when it was clear Fat Mike wasn't going to offer assurances/money etc, 3 He was best manger we've had since Robson and the only people who keep banging on how we supposedly worship the guy is sad Sunderland fans.
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Over the years we brought in a load of managers who saved us with less than 10 games remaining.

The best manager since bobby robson got you relegated and a highest midtable finish. Massive club
 
Safc88 said:
Over the years we brought in a load of managers who saved us with less than 10 games remaining.

The best manager since bobby robson got you relegated and a highest midtable finish. Massive club
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The bloke had just shy of a third of the season and a few points to make up with everyone down there to play. He failed miserably and took them down. Journo on the radio the other day said Maclaren took them down. Look North Korea
 
wigwams said:
The bloke had just shy of a third of the season and a few points to make up with everyone down there to play. He failed miserably and took them down. Journo on the radio the other day said Maclaren took them down. Look North Korea
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So by that token does it mean Sam Allardyce's achievements weren't that good at all and he almost failed by not keeping you up sooner?
 
wigwams said:
The bloke had just shy of a third of the season and a few points to make up with everyone down there to play. He failed miserably and took them down. Journo on the radio the other day said Maclaren took them down. Look North Korea
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10 games to be exact......3 wins 4 draws and 3 defeats which were games 1/2/4
 
BigPeter said:
He did keep us up though...

Unlike Rafa
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Right, but this is where I don't get it.

Either Allardyce did a fantastic job, or Rafa did a shit job, it can't be both.

He took 13 points from those 10 games, Allardyce took 9 from his first 10.

Even if he'd beat Villa we'd have gone down on goal difference. I don't contest he 'took us down' but I can also acknowledge he took on a really big ask to keep us up and basically needed to go on a pretty mental winning run. Maybe I'm just from a different generation, but outside of derbies I don't really have much of an issue acknowledging the good and bad of Sunderland,.
 
Rosco said:
Lots of these replies on here have the same comments....."I have it on good authority / A mag I work with says that blah blah blah /A friend of a friend who walked Rafa's dog heard it from the horses mouth / A bloke down the pub etc etc etc".

Then the best of all... "Rafa got you relegated / Rafa fucked off to China / All mags almost wank over Rafa"........the facts are, 1 He was brought in to late to save us from relegation, 2 He only started negotiation's/visa application when it was clear Fat Mike wasn't going to offer assurances/money etc, 3 He was best manger we've had since Robson and the only people who keep banging on how we supposedly worship the guy is sad Sunderland fans.
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You were a point behind us in 17th place with 9 games left. Considering your point 3 he should have got you out of it but he didnt, therefore he was shite and only managed to get you out of the Championship because the guy you hate gave him millions to spend. Stop embarrassing yourself you utter clown :lol:
 
Cloughie said:
Right, but this is where I don't get it.

Either Allardyce did a fantastic job, or Rafa did a shit job, it can't be both.

He took 13 points from those 10 games, Allardyce took 9 from his first 10.

Even if he'd beat Villa we'd have gone down on goal difference. I don't contest he 'took us down' but I can also acknowledge he took on a really big ask to keep us up and basically needed to go on a pretty mental winning run. Maybe I'm just from a different generation, but outside of derbies I don't really have much of an issue acknowledging the good and bad of Sunderland,.
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Allardyce done a better job than Rafa.

He accomplished his target which was to keep us up and Rafa failed his.
 
wigwams said:
The bloke had just shy of a third of the season and a few points to make up with everyone down there to play. He failed miserably and took them down. Journo on the radio the other day said Maclaren took them down. Look North Korea
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If they had managed to stay up would McClaren have got the credit? No he wouldn't.

By the same token Rafa relegated them. Simples
 
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