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Good stuff.
Squires was a very good football obsessives type poster on the WSC/OTF forum years ago before he got the gig. He’d draw stuff for fanzines etc but nivver got the big break. Then iirc he married an Aussie lass and decided to move ower there. Another WSC/OTF regular who was an Orient fan worked behind the scenes at The Guraararuniarad and on hearing he was emigrating said he’d submit his stuff to see if they’d be interested. A few weeks after he left the country he got the nod from the guardiaundian iirc. He does a lot of stuff on sport ower there anarl I believe.
Ive not been on since OTF moved back to WSC but I remember him being happy as a pig in shit, living in Aussie and being paid to do what he loves.
Strange how things work out, I’m chuffed for him.
 

Redandwhitedust said:
Or maybe his players simply aren't good enough, and/or vastly overrated by the fans.

At the end of the day, no matter how bad Bruce's tactics are, he isnt the one misplacing passes or failing to take shots. He isnt the one showing zero desire on the pitch, which from what I can see at Newcastle is a huge part of the problem.

I dont think even a world class manager could do much with that side. Could do better, absolutely but the truth is the Newcastle fans overrate so many of their players in a hope of being seen as a "big club". Lascelles and Shelvey for England? Matt Longstaff to Man United.
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The same excuses get trotted out for every failing manager. It's up to Bruce to motivate and get the best out of the players at his disposal and I'm not sure if it's "overrating" the players expecting them to have enough to stop up.
 
Redandwhitedust said:
Or maybe his players simply aren't good enough, and/or vastly overrated by the fans.

At the end of the day, no matter how bad Bruce's tactics are, he isnt the one misplacing passes or failing to take shots. He isnt the one showing zero desire on the pitch, which from what I can see at Newcastle is a huge part of the problem.

I dont think even a world class manager could do much with that side. Could do better, absolutely but the truth is the Newcastle fans overrate so many of their players in a hope of being seen as a "big club". Lascelles and Shelvey for England? Matt Longstaff to Man United.
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The manager sets the mindset , Bruce set up at the Hawthorns to not get beat , he never attempted to be pro active and try to win the game. Players being coached that way are going to respond as negatively as the manager.
You could draw a comparison with Parky and LJ , a different approach from the coach can get entirely better results from exactly the same players.
You look at the football Brighton play and you couldn't argue that they have a markedly superior set of players to the the mags.
 
Exile 1968 said:
You had the best chance out of anyone. He would of thought that when he took you over. Yet not one of you will admit he relegated you. Read the Mag article. "1st year he got us promoted". Bollocks. 1st year he relegated you.

Well actually we did when we beat Everton. I bet you were crying into your Rafa wank sock when that happened
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I'd say the team in 17th had the best chance of survival really. Because they had more points than we did.

We got 13 from 10, you got 14 from 9. That's why we went down and you stayed up. We were both top-half for form in those final 9-10 games. Just so happens that that season, that 13pts from 10 wasn't enough for us and 14pts from 9 was for you.
 
The Fish said:
I'd say the team in 17th had the best chance of survival really. Because they had more points than we did.

We got 13 from 10, you got 14 from 9. That's why we went down and you stayed up. We were both top-half for form in those final 9-10 games. Just so happens that that season, that 13pts from 10 wasn't enough for us and 14pts from 9 was for you.
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It was marvelous im sure you'll agree
 
Secret Visage said:
Still pining over "Rafa" and selectively using a 16 game spell, while airbrushing out the Rafagation.

"Year one, took Newcastle United back up as champions."

They wonder why the football fraternity mock their supporters?

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This! Here's another, more detailed way to look at those 16 games for media trolls ;) They won 8 games and these are the games won.

Cardiff (H) 17th
Man City (H) 2nd (24% possession with late soft penna to win it though disputable disallowed Man City goal that would have made it 2-0)
Huddersfield (H) (20th and out of it)
Burnley (H) 14th
Everton (H) 10th
Leicester (A) 7th (tho 1pt down to 10th as huge gap of 14pts to 6th)
Southampton (H) 16th
Fulham (A) 19th (already relegated)

So 4 of those 6 home games you'd expect the Mags to win anyway. The Man City game being the stand out. Away, the Leicester game possibly being the 1 stand out result. Only 4 of the 16 games were against the 'big 6' with just 1 at home, Man City.

So basically, a very selective section of 16 results given the teams played and the position they were in at that time. This could also apply to other teams as they may have played all the big 6 in the last 16 games.
 
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MoJoBo said:
He had 10 games to play. Over a quarter of a season. 30 points to play for.

You were one point behind us (in 17th) with a game in hand. When he was appointed, you had games against 20th, 18th, 17th, 16th and 15th.

Couldn’t have asked for much easier really.
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We could go round and round for ages here. Benitez did well, but not enough and we were relegated under his watch. Had McClaren been sacked after the Chelsea hammering and Benitez brought in with a little more time, we might have had enough to stay up, who knows?

The aim, it seems, is to get a Newcastle fan to blame Benitez for our relegation. Which is silly, because there are much bigger factors which lead to our second relegation. The owner, and the previous manager chief among them. You say Benitez had 10 games to save our season, McClaren had 28. Where's the blame for him? Why do you focus on the 1.3PpG Benitez won, instead of the 0.85PpG that McClaren managed?

Oh, that's right, it's because the Newcastle fans liked Benitez, so sunderland fans must insist he's over-rated/to blame, and we didn't like McClaren so sunderland fans must insist he's underrated/not to blame. :lol: You're grown men ffs.
Exile 1968 said:
It was marvelous im sure you'll agree
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Well it was followed by a really enjoyable season in the Championship, where we won lots of games, and got promoted as Champions at the first time of asking, then a 10th placed finish in the top flight.

Tell me, how'd you enjoy the 16/17 season in the Premier League, and the season that followed in the Championship, and the season in League 1 that followed that?
 
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The Fish said:
We could go round and round for ages here. Benitez did well, but not enough and we were relegated under his watch. Had McClaren been sacked after the Chelsea hammering and Benitez brought in with a little more time, we might have had enough to stay up, who knows?

The aim, it seems, is to get a Newcastle fan to blame Benitez for our relegation. Which is silly, because there are much bigger factors which lead to our second relegation. The OWNER, and the previous manager chief among them.
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and there you have it.... relegation is Ashleys fault.
Where is the praise for the money he pumped in for the following promotion.?
 
BIG MAL said:
and there you have it.... relegation is Ashleys fault.
Where is the praise for the money he pumped in for the following promotion.?
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Well, he appointed the wrong man in McClaren, he didn't sack McClaren when it was clear he wasn't up to the job. So yeah, getting relegated in that season was chiefly Ashley and McClaren's fault. Just as his naivete and arrogance was chiefly responsible for our relegation in 2009. And if we go down this season, it'll be chiefly his fault again.

The money raised by player sales (c£90m) paid for the player purchases (c£57m), Ashley loaned the club £30m and promptly took it back. Not sure you give him praise for that, when it's his own hole he's digging himself out of.
 
The Fish said:
Well, he appointed the wrong man in McClaren, he didn't sack McClaren when it was clear he wasn't up to the job. So yeah, getting relegated in that season was chiefly Ashley and McClaren's fault. Just as his naivete and arrogance was chiefly responsible for our relegation in 2009. And if we go down this season, it'll be chiefly his fault again.

The money raised by player sales (c£90m) paid for the player purchases (c£57m), Ashley loaned the club £30m and promptly took it back. Not sure you give him praise for that, when it's his own hole he's digging himself out of.
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He appointed the wrong man to keep you up too tbf.
 
The Fish said:
We could go round and round for ages here. Benitez did well, but not enough and we were relegated under his watch. Had McClaren been sacked after the Chelsea hammering and Benitez brought in with a little more time, we might have had enough to stay up, who knows?

The aim, it seems, is to get a Newcastle fan to blame Benitez for our relegation. Which is silly, because there are much bigger factors which lead to our second relegation. The owner, and the previous manager chief among them. You say Benitez had 10 games to save our season, McClaren had 28. Where's the blame for him? Why do you focus on the 1.3PpG Benitez won, instead of the 0.85PpG that McClaren managed?

Oh, that's right, it's because the Newcastle fans liked Benitez, so sunderland fans must insist he's over-rated/to blame, and we didn't like McClaren so sunderland fans must insist he's underrated/not to blame. :lol: You're grown men ffs.

Well it was followed by a really enjoyable season in the Championship, where we won lots of games, and got promoted as Champions at the first time of asking, then a 10th placed finish in the top flight.

Tell me, how'd you enjoy the 16/17 season in the Premier League, and the season that followed in the Championship, and the season in League 1 that followed that?
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Not as much as I'm enjoying this one. Where we could win the league and a cup and you could be relegated and in the same division next season. Anyway this is pointless. Not gonna waste my time debating with a man whod have the Saudi murderers for owners. You lost any credibility you had when you backed them you moronic shit
 
Exile 1968 said:
Not as much as I'm enjoying this one. Where we could win the league and a cup and you could be relegated and in the same division next season. Anyway this is pointless. Not gonna waste my time debating with a man whod have the Saudi murderers for owners. You lost any credibility you had when you backed them you moronic shit
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Name-calling kind of undermines whatever point you're trying to make.
 
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