Social distancing

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I do not see a problem with going back to the old normal as soon as everyone over 50 has been vaccinated.
The problem we have is that the government and scientists are very risk averse. Already there is what I perceive to be scaremongering with constant speculation about the virus mutating into something that would render vaccines less effective.
I feel that come the summer the massive backlog within the NHS and the fear of a winter flu season will prevent the government from allowing us to get back to normal.
There may be a hidden agenda. The government may see this constant restriction of personal freedom as a means of educating the masses to change their lifestyles.
Jetting off to Spain at short notice on a cheap flight for a three day binge may be a thing of the past.
Hundreds of thousands have taken up jogging.
Working from home reduces traffic and public transport congestion.
Some old fashioned boozers may disappear.
We may very close to adopting a continental cafe culture.
The world is changing. I hope it does not change too much.

The government have been slow to lockdown on a number of occasions, due to wanting to protect the economy.
They'll want to get out of lockdown as soon as its feasible to get the economy back up running.
The scientists do err on the side of caution, but their job is purely medical advice so they dont generally consider the economic side of things.
Being risk adverse doesn't really come into it as theres 2 different risks (health & economic) which somewhat conflict each other. It's the politicians job to make a judgement in getting that balance right.

 

[Nobby]

I do not see a problem with going back to the old normal as soon as everyone over 50 has been vaccinated.
The problem we have is that the government and scientists are very risk averse. Already there is what I perceive to be scaremongering with constant speculation about the virus mutating into something that would render vaccines less effective.
I feel that come the summer the massive backlog within the NHS and the fear of a winter flu season will prevent the government from allowing us to get back to normal.
There may be a hidden agenda. The government may see this constant restriction of personal freedom as a means of educating the masses to change their lifestyles.
Jetting off to Spain at short notice on a cheap flight for a three day binge may be a thing of the past.
Hundreds of thousands have taken up jogging.
Working from home reduces traffic and public transport congestion.
Some old fashioned boozers may disappear.
We may very close to adopting a continental cafe culture.
The world is changing. I hope it does not change too much.

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Yeah no risk under 50.

Dragged this example across from the capt Tom thread as didn't want to contaminate that thread, but it's interesting to see who is posting and liking this story on there

 

[The Cheat]

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Yeah no risk under 50.

Dragged this example across from the capt Tom thread as didn't want to contaminate that thread, but it's interesting to see who is posting and liking this story on there

Nobody has ever said no risk. They've said very low risk. Which is true, and exactly why the case you posted is headlines news.

 

[Definitely Maybe]

If everyone in the UK has been vaccinated why could we not have busy pubs and football grounds? What justification not to? Honest question

We don't know if the vaccine prevents transmission, and if it's still transmitting it could still mutate and bypass the vaccine. That's been the message all along I think? The vaccine gives us a way out but we need to to remove restrictions gradually in a controlled manner once we're confident it is working. That's my understanding anyway.

 

[Hull_Mackem]

We don't know if the vaccine prevents transmission, and if it's still transmitting it could still mutate and bypass the vaccine. That's been the message all along I think? The vaccine gives us a way out but we need to to remove restrictions gradually in a controlled manner once we're confident it is working. That's my understanding anyway.

On that basis you could be justifying living with restrictions on life for eternity. It's not realistic.

The public and policy makers need to get used to this being around forever.

The vaccines can be adjusted to tackle mutations in a matter of weeks.

 

[Definitely Maybe]

On that basis you could be justifying living with restrictions on life for eternity. It's not realistic.

The public and policy makers need to get used to this being around forever.

The vaccines can be adjusted to tackle mutations in a matter of weeks.

I don't think anyone has seriously suggested having long term restrictions, just that there'll be a transition to make sure they're working.

Bear in mind the most vulnerable have been shielding for the best part of a year, if everyone suddenly cracks on as normal as soon as they're vaccinated you're risking wiping millions out if something doesn't work as planned.

 

[Hull_Mackem]

I don't think anyone has seriously suggested having long term restrictions, just that there'll be a transition to make sure they're working.

Bear in mind the most vulnerable have been shielding for the best part of a year, if everyone suddenly cracks on as normal as soon as they're vaccinated you're risking wiping millions out if something doesn't work as planned.

I don't think anyone sensible is suggesting suddenly going back to normal any time soon.

But once everyone who wants one is vaccinated, I can't see any justification for anything far from normality.

Everyone thinks different and no one knows for sure I guess

 

[Lo Ursem]

Nobody has ever said no risk. They've said very low risk. Which is true, and exactly why the case you posted is headlines news.

Correct.
It is the exception that proves the rule.
There are outliers in every scenario.
We are losing sight of the bigger picture.
Our vaccines will overcome variants of this virus.
We can not press the panic button and ramp up the fear factor every time a virus mutates.
We are sociable creatures by nature. We must overcome this irrational fear.
Otherwise what is the point of trumpeting our world class vaccination roll out. Vaccines were supposed to be a way out of this but with prevailing attitudes we are further away from ever of normality.

 

[Baloo]

When bullies name call you and make you do things against your will without having to physically hurt you, you eventually handle it and get used to it.
When bullies nip you, you learn to accept it and get used to it. When they punch you lightly enough so you don't bruise badly on the body that people can see, you accept it as best you can.
When you become used to that, they kick you in the places the kicks won't be seen..and again you accept it because telling about it makes you a sissy or a grass or people just don;t want to listen.
When you become used to that, you will be thrown in dog dirt, soaked in puddle water, then head ducked into it...all after the aforementioned attacks.
And so on and so on until the misery becomes body and mind breaking.

We're only at the name calling stage.

What stage are we at now?