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Is there takeover still on ?
Was watching mag supporters on YouTube last night and they still seem to think it’s going through
No. It’s not.
Nukehasslefan
Winger
Sustainable for what?
It seems to be for the mindset of playing also ran.
It's awful to think about but, until we have the resources to actually compete at the top and sustain that, this is what we're going to be subjected to...and not just us...but most of the premier league teams and those who gain promotion to it....unfortunately.
You know what.... I know I'll come a cropper because I always have a glass half full before every game, mindset. It's wishful thinking and basically an attitude of ruling with my heart and not my head.
But you are right, Bruce's done the same thing and basically set us up to fail, due to that negative mentality, which I really don;t get in one way, as in, why pay footballers those wages to produce that but also knowing that the object of the club is to ensure survival, only, with each place above it as a bonus....among many clubs that seem to be adopting the same approach...except other clubs seem to be allowed to actually play some football...way more than we seem to be allowed to.
It's effing soul destroying.
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Themig
Winger
Ah the old Net Spend!And yet Premier League clubs still employ him...
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The Fish
Winger
Your whole thing is based on the support given to Benitez and the contempt Bruce is held in. If we had hated Benitez and loved Bruce you'd argue that Benitez is better and Bruce is worse. It's mental. Everything shows Bruce is worse than RB, everything. Goals scored, goals conceded, points per game, all the performance stats, the journalists, the pundits, the fans, and your own eyes. But you're dismissing all that because what? Because you think Benitez was given too much praise? It's utterly mental.
Nukehasslefan
Winger
I'm sorry but that's not how I saw it and I was always a glass half full person.
Benitez was riding on his ego and producing horrible football.
The only thing that was well executed was any player that did not follow his mind numbing orders.
Steve Bruce isn't faring much better, of late.
The Fish
Winger
To pin your goal scoring hopes on getting a penalty, or luck, or a worldy. It's unsustainable. Burnley don't, Brighton don't, Crystal Palace don't, why should we?
Super Ted
Striker
You have issues marra, I have said you were shite under Benitez and shite under Bruce. Your results have been almost identical across both managers. It's not me that's trying to justify anything anti-Benitez, it's you trying to convince everyone that Benitez at Newcastle, was miles better than what you have now, which simply is not the case whether you like it or not.Your whole thing is based on the support given to Benitez and the contempt Bruce is held in. If we had hated Benitez and loved Bruce you'd argue that Benitez is better and Bruce is worse. It's mental. Everything shows Bruce is worse than RB, everything. Goals scored, goals conceded, points per game, all the performance stats, the journalists, the pundits, the fans, and your own eyes. But you're dismissing all that because what? Because you think Benitez was given too much praise? It's utterly mental.
The Fish
Winger
We had a very good defence. Top half for defence.
You might not enjoy solid defending, but it wasn't shit football. This turgid, passive, disorganised bollocks is shit football.
It's me trying to prove that the football is way worse under Bruce than it was under Benitez. We score less, concede more, win fewer points.
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Nukehasslefan
Winger
To be honest, Benitez was given far too much praise for very little return for it. It really did beggar belief and the only reason he was held in such esteem was down to the idealistic view that he was a world class manager who inherited a dysfunctional but very good,squad.Your whole thing is based on the support given to Benitez and the contempt Bruce is held in. If we had hated Benitez and loved Bruce you'd argue that Benitez is better and Bruce is worse. It's mental. Everything shows Bruce is worse than RB, everything. Goals scored, goals conceded, points per game, all the performance stats, the journalists, the pundits, the fans, and your own eyes. But you're dismissing all that because what? Because you think Benitez was given too much praise? It's utterly mental.
He then went about dismantling it and adding his own and changed nothing, results wise but did create a regimented subservient bunch of grafters who's drilled mentality appeared to be, do not lose the game....not, go out and win the game.
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captain fatty
Central Defender
Benitez certainly trumped Bruce in the relegation from the premier league stakesYour whole thing is based on the support given to Benitez and the contempt Bruce is held in. If we had hated Benitez and loved Bruce you'd argue that Benitez is better and Bruce is worse. It's mental. Everything shows Bruce is worse than RB, everything. Goals scored, goals conceded, points per game, all the performance stats, the journalists, the pundits, the fans, and your own eyes. But you're dismissing all that because what? Because you think Benitez was given too much praise? It's utterly mental.
Nukehasslefan
Winger
It was for most part, just as it is for most part with Bruce.
Don't forget that Benitez has a championship of stats against his name to make him look better than he was.
Take that out of the equation and look again.
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The Fish
Winger
Ashley is still the problem, but he's given Bruce what he wanted. He's spent £100m on attackers, he's signed older players, he's signed PL experienced players.
When Newcastle lost under Benitez he got the blame if it was his fault (cup games, Cardiff etc.) Bruce gets the blame when it's his fault. If we were executing a decent plan but being beaten by better teams, fair enough, but we're playing shit. Like, really shit. Just lost to the worst team in PL history, deservedly.
The Fish
Winger
Scored more, conded fewer, won more points per game in the PL.
You're talking nonsense.
Nukehasslefan
Winger
Super Ted
Striker
Both seasons finishing 13th, Under Benitez scoring 42 conceding 48 with 45 points, Under Bruce scoring 38, conceding 58 with 44 points.
Benitez cup run, second round and fourth round, Bruce second round and Quarter Finals (QF again this year)
That is now deemed as 'way worse' is it? A few heavy defeats in games like City away 5-0, Arsenal 4-0 and United 4-1 signficantly impacted the goal difference in comparisons. Benitez lost the same games with City 2-1, Arsenal 2-0 & United 3-2 (after somehow being 2-0 up inside 10 minutes) all results ending in ZERO points, but aye, huge difference.
Statistically both seasons were as close as could be.
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Wansbeck Viking
Striker
It’s not really Ashley’s fault if Bruce (and Rafa) have spent money on shite.
You’ve said Ashley is still the problem but then said Bruce has spent £100m on strikers.
£100m is canny money for a supposed terrible owner who doesn’t spend.
Bears Beets
Striker
In the co-op
The Fish
Winger
PL games since our return.
And we're skipping over the fact that the football, the actual spectcle, is worse.
Even in the examples you give, it's patently obvious that those losses were worse under Bruce than they were under Benitez. Those scores show that we were outmatched by elite teams, but defended well. Bruce's show we were soundly beaten. We never conceded 5 under Benitez, already done that 3 times under Bruce. Only McClaren managed us to heavy defeats more frequently (-3) than Bruce has.
Benitez didn't take the cups seriously and that's not good.
But have you watched us? Bruce's football is terrible. Benitez stuff might not be entertaining, but fuck me it was better than this shit.
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