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Takeover News/Rumours - Part 42

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Smiler said:
Problem the players face is that all clubs down here will be restricted by the salary cap do they won't be able to sign for anyone unless they lower their demands as they aren't good enough for The Championship.
I have a feeling once we start seeing more players at this level restricted like this one or two will want the PFA to actually do something about it and the EFL salary caps will vanish on however long the court case takes.
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I hope so. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the likes of Hibs, Aberdeen and Dundee United (and maybe even the Old Firm) snapping up the best out of contract talent from League One early on in the window before this happens though.
 

sick said:
Does extending contracts have the same outcome as signing new ones ?
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Yeah, albeit I'm not sure about the effective date. It was supposed to be from the end of the original contract, but there's nothing specifically about an extension signed 6 months earlier.

One way or another, from July the new wage would count completely towards the cap, so someone on 5k today, who is currently only counting 1.8k towards the cap, would count 5k if they signed a contract extension.

I did a quick calculation and I think we're at around £1.9m from our current first team squad, but that's with the legacy contracts being counted at 1.8k a week rather than their true cost. That gives us around £11k a week to play with, but that needs to extend so many players that it's tough to see how it happens. For example, if all of the 19 current over 21's in the squad were willing to accept £2.5k a week, that's an extra £700 per player, which costs £13.3k a week. On that basis, there can be no glamour signings over the age of 21 or not on loan.

Tough to see a way round it without promotion. It should be proportional to the income of the club.
 
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North Yorks Mackem said:
If this takeover was definitely happening and donald and methven were staying on.why haven't hume, Willis, or o'nien been offered a contract extension?

They'll be getting tapped up now. Good chance we've left it too late again.
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Because the club won’t give a toss who is out of contract, they only see money saved. That is why we are in the position we are today with these three spenks.
 
wisemensaysteve said:
I think it's all a load of rubbish, I think if it was a takeover it would have been done by now. imagine if it turns out all the ITK's are nothing more than a bunch of Mags taking the piss. some of the usernames both sides of the road do make me wonder.
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It's not just people on here though is it, it's in the press as well, I don't think it's a Jan Koller situation.
 
KittenMittens said:
Yeah, albeit I'm not sure about the effective date. It was supposed to be from the end of the original contract, but there's nothing specifically about an extension signed 6 months earlier.

One way or another, from July the new wage would count completely towards the cap, so someone on 5k today, who is currently only counting 1.8k towards the cap, would count 5k if they signed a contract extension.

I did a quick calculation and I think we're at around £1.9m from our current first team squad, but that's with the legacy contracts being counted at 1.8k a week rather than their true cost. That gives us around £11k a week to play with, but that needs to extend so many players that it's tough to see how it happens. For example, if all of the 19 current over 21's in the squad were willing to accept £2.5k a week, that's an extra £700 per player, which costs £13.3k a week. On that basis, there can be no glamour signings over the age of 21 or not on loan.

Tough to see a way round it without promotion. It should be proportional to the income of the club.
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I thought that the PFA were saying that what the EFL were essentially doing was wrong as they had not been consulted and that there would be a legal appeal on this and that currently the cap is unenforcable? I cant for the life of me understand how the EFL can bring this rule in for league 1 and 2 but not the championship and then separately you have the premier league.....all that is being created are gulfs between premier league and championship, championship and league 1 etc etc. I am confident that if a club wanted to challenge this rule legally with very good lawyers then the efl would not have a leg to stand on
 
Gash80 said:
I thought that the PFA were saying that what the EFL were essentially doing was wrong as they had not been consulted and that there would be a legal appeal on this and that currently the cap is unenforcable? I cant for the life of me understand how the EFL can bring this rule in for league 1 and 2 but not the championship and then separately you have the premier league.....all that is being created are gulfs between premier league and championship, championship and league 1 etc etc. I am confident that if a club wanted to challenge this rule legally with very good lawyers then the efl would not have a leg to stand on
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I agree, I just don't think the PFA have a legitimate legal case any more than Storey does. Ultimately it is not discriminatory, it does not unfairly stop a player moving between clubs because of his own contract... in effect if they couldn't challenge FPP/SCMP then they can't challenge this.

Now SAFC on the other hand, as an entity, we may very well have a case if we are willing to go down that route. If we can demonstrate that we have cash that would be reasonable to spend on players, we could challenge the jurisdiction of the EFL, but I I think all of it is doomed to fail, or at least go on way too long to make a difference next season.
 
KittenMittens said:
I agree, I just don't think the PFA have a legitimate legal case any more than Storey does. Ultimately it is not discriminatory, it does not unfairly stop a player moving between clubs because of his own contract... in effect if they couldn't challenge FPP/SCMP then they can't challenge this.

Now SAFC on the other hand, as an entity, we may very well have a case if we are willing to go down that route. If we can demonstrate that we have cash that would be reasonable to spend on players, we could challenge the jurisdiction of the EFL, but I I think all of it is doomed to fail, or at least go on way too long to make a difference next season.
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Ultimately they are punishing clubs because their own directors 'fit and proper' tests were a load of crap. In my opinion as long as you have a different/no rule for championship which is under the same ruling body then it is discrimination, and essentially for a club with income in that league such as sunderland is a restriction of trade. I can't understand why the likes of Sunderland, ipswich, portsmouth, Hull, charlton etc have not started a legal challenge yet, at the very least to postpone it
 
KittenMittens said:
Yeah, albeit I'm not sure about the effective date. It was supposed to be from the end of the original contract, but there's nothing specifically about an extension signed 6 months earlier.

One way or another, from July the new wage would count completely towards the cap, so someone on 5k today, who is currently only counting 1.8k towards the cap, would count 5k if they signed a contract extension.

I did a quick calculation and I think we're at around £1.9m from our current first team squad, but that's with the legacy contracts being counted at 1.8k a week rather than their true cost. That gives us around £11k a week to play with, but that needs to extend so many players that it's tough to see how it happens. For example, if all of the 19 current over 21's in the squad were willing to accept £2.5k a week, that's an extra £700 per player, which costs £13.3k a week. On that basis, there can be no glamour signings over the age of 21 or not on loan.

Tough to see a way round it without promotion. It should be proportional to the income of the club.
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This is a much more interesting topic than the takeover that is always a week away IMO.

I'd love to see what league 1 will look like in about 3 years time if the cap remains. We surely aren't the only club paying players over 1.8k, so there will be a huge switch in either lots of league 1 players taking pay cuts or the overall quality of the league getting even worse than it currently is.

Unless say teams in the current top 10 spots are within the cap limits already and aren't working about it, which then switches the convo to how absolutely shit, value to form, our players currently are, and we are we paying them so much.
 
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