Civil Liberties?

[CraigyWatt]

One of the more appropriate user names I think.

I was just scrolling down to post the same thing.

 

[Deleted member 45261]

It's your language and tone. It's pretty vile.
I dont agree with national lockdowns, I dont agree with many of the restrictions being imposed on us and I don't like the way things are heading. If that makes me a lunatic then so be it.
There are thousands of others now with similar views but we are branded nutters.
I'd love for Yeadon, Levitt or any of the others to go onto Qt and get a platform with other scientists so we could have it out in an open, grown-up conversation. It's okay to ask questions and be suspicious of what's happening. It's not just nutters like David Icke you know.
But you know better than everyone else.

I liked him when he was a humble youngster and pharmacy assistant, since he passed his exams and learned to drive not only is his tone vile but he is condescending, arrogant, disrespectful and downright abusive to posters on here who he's never met and knows absolutely nothing about (you should have seen the vile PM's he sent to me man) - and it's virtually every thread he's on.

I've nothing against fat people as I'm 16 clem meself but I have it on very good authority he's a very fat lad with few friends and you can count on the fingers of one thumb how many lasses he's had in his life.

Anyway I'll leave it there and the civil liberties well I'm not a particular lover of Sweden and their feminist Govt but they seem to have done well at keeping Covid under relative control and this with no lockdown at all - TBH I think they've gone for the herd immunity although they haven't achieved it and I think we could learn from their approach - lockdown lite if you like, they've just been asked to use common sense with gatherings and social distancing etc and I think this is the way we'll go, masks have never been mandatory and I'm thinking (hoping) that's the way we'll go too - working from home and distance learning are both here to stay incidentally IMO. Time is gonna tell with eradicating the virus obviously but I can't see the lockdown being extended - I think a comprehensive information campaign combined with a common sense approach will see us through this tricky limbo time until the vaccine is rolled out en masse.

 

[Frijj]

I liked him when he was a humble youngster and pharmacy assistant, since he passed his exams and learned to drive not only is his tone vile but he is condescending, arrogant, disrespectful and downright abusive to posters on here who he's never met and knows absolutely nothing about (you should have seen the vile PM's he sent to me man) - and it's virtually every thread he's on.

I've nothing against fat people as I'm 16 clem meself but I have it on very good authority he's a very fat lad with few friends and you can count on the fingers of one thumb how many lasses he's had in his life.

Anyway I'll leave it there and the civil liberties well I'm not a particular lover of Sweden and their feminist Govt but they seem to have done well at keeping Covid under relative control and this with no lockdown at all - TBH I think they've gone for the herd immunity although they haven't achieved it and I think we could learn from their approach - lockdown lite if you like, they've just been asked to use common sense with gatherings and social distancing etc and I think this is the way we'll go, masks have never been mandatory and I'm thinking (hoping) that's the way we'll go too - working from home and distance learning are both here to stay incidentally IMO. Time is gonna tell with eradicating the virus obviously but I can't see the lockdown being extended - I think a comprehensive information campaign combined with a common sense approach will see us through this tricky limbo time until the vaccine is rolled out en masse.

I thought I'd hit rock bottom, but then I heard even Lardy thinks he's better than me

 

[Deleted member 45261]

I thought I'd hit rock bottom, but then I heard even Lardy thinks he's better than me

I've had plenty of moments meself Frijj lad as you well know but it's one thing to be argumentative (after all it's what the vast majority of us are on the politics board for) and it's another to be unpleasant which unfortunately is how you seem to be coming across to a canny few people lately. I know fine well that I'm not the boards most popular but I try to be respectful to people and I never get abusive unless I'm being abused myself. I had an almost 3 year semi-enforced sabbatical mainly through injury (and partly through making a tit of meself) and to tell you the truth I missed the board quite a bit - it really doesn't seem the same these days but I think that'll essentially be people just being bored out of their heads with the lockdown/furlough etc and posting bollocks as well as new members joining through boredom and not knowing the craic. I'm not being funny here but try and switch off and give yourself a break and freshen up - even if it's for a daft amount of time like a week or a fortnight.

Nite lad and you can send me my apology at your leisure Xx

 

[robbied1]

I thought I'd hit rock bottom, but then I heard even Lardy thinks he's better than me

I've nothing against fat people as I'm 16 clem meself but I have it on very good authority he's a very fat lad with few friends and you can count on the fingers of one thumb how many lasses he's had in his life.

Frij , surely not?????

 

[Cotia]

Think I'll swiftly exit this thread

 

[Grammar Police]

The only reason the majority of people questioning any vaccine are doing so is the amount of publicity it has had/the end game. Most of these folk (not all) will have happily had their kids have other vaccines without even thinking about it. I trust the medical regulators to make the right decisions, and will continue to do so.

They'll have also happily accepted the help of the state in the way of furlough cash.

Yet won't do anything to help the nation by way of mass immunisation.

And will be the first to moan when restrictions don't end on the first day the vaccine starts rolling out.

 

[West_Winger]

When is enough enough?

-No new Diesel/Petrol cars from 2030 bet a house if you own one it will be taxed to bits
-Covid clear passports on route no doubt (work requirement)
-Social media deciding who can say what without oversight
-Stay indoors or be fined
-Have Christmas but lockdown after as punishment
-Lockdown's cause more harm than good (WHO) Lets lockdown more
-Track and Trace
-Snoopers Charter


The people in charge have shown themselves time and time again to be total puppets and morons to resign the constant narrative as incomitance is retarded we are tip toping towards something else.

I trust the common sense of my fellow Britain's over all the news lately. If a family agree to meet why is that not their choice?

The temperature of the water is slowly being increased to boiling point and we are happy denying that the rights that our ancestor's and family members fought for are not being stripped away in the name of fear is offensive.

Usual Blah Blah Conspiracy insults. When does conspiracy theory become conspiracy fact?

Perfect username.

I bet you refuse to wear a mask as well despite it being the only way to stop “them” from tracking you, yes?

The only reason the majority of people questioning any vaccine are doing so is the amount of publicity it has had/the end game. Most of these folk (not all) will have happily had their kids have other vaccines without even thinking about it. I trust the medical regulators to make the right decisions, and will continue to do so.

They’ve spent their entire lives being told they’re thick. Now they think they’ve got some kind of secret that nobody else has access to and it’s the one time they’ve felt clever.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

All in all there's just another brick in, the wall.
That song actually sums up the way we're all going.
I wonder if it ends the same?

 

[Mackem DJ]

You've missed of the paragraph at the bottom mate which said "lyk and share if u agree"

 

[callum]

It's an emergency measure which has been rushed through IMO and I have similar feelings - out of interest would/will you take it if it was offered?

Probably not for atleast a few years.
Risk outweighs benefits for me. And I’ve already had Covid!

 

[Rustie Trombone]

I bet this was shared on Facebook. Without irony

Oi! Facebook has been fantastic entertainment through this pandemic

Who knew that Tracie who works in a call centre, has a cousin who knows a nurse who isn't tasking the vaccine and so she's not taking it either

 

[Mackemmark74]

My tone might be vile, but maybe you should ask your ICU nurse wife how the last minutes of those patients on ventilators are. I guarantee you, that's much worse than a few harsh words.

I'm glad you've finally dropped the pretence that you're interested in what the science says, and have come out that you're against lockdowns. Despite the fact that they've saved tens of thousands of lives.

We don't do science by Question Time. Science isn't about who is the best speaker or who can win over an audience of people - that's politics.

I completely agree though, it's absolutely fine to ask questions, but when you're going against the grain of the evidence, and the consensus of experts, you need something that's irrefutable. Where is Yeadon et al's irrefutable evidence against lockdowns?

I do know better than most to be fair. Not better than all, and not better than Whitty and the like, but I do know better than most.

I've asked her and she says you are talking nonsense. Sensationalised claptrap. Shes more upset at the lack of care being shown to other sick people. The missed appointments, the lack of treatment, not being able to see people face to face. The nurses I know think the situation is a disgrace and things need to get back to some sort of normality.
Perhaps lockdown saved lives initially - that's debatable. Half the deaths were in care homes and you could blame the govt for that by chucking poor elderly people out of hospitals.
Lockdowns will cost more as we move forward. Now we have such a compliant population how do we know lockdowns and/or social distancing wont become the norm. Everytime there is a new virus or a bad flu season. There were 50000 excess deaths caused by flu a couple of years back...
I fear that any time the NHS is struggling, govt can impose ridiculous rules on us and we all just sit back and meekly go along with it.
What is it Yeadon and the likes of Dr Clare Craig say that you disagree with it. Are they wrong about immunity levels? Are they both wrong about the inaccuracy of mass testing using PCR testing?
Why shouldn't Yeadon get a platform on QT. It's not just politicians who go on the programme. I think he would be excellent on the programme.
I just find it incredible that on mainstream telly, there are no dissenting voices, everyone jokes about their experience in lockdown, follows the same narrative as everyone else. Surely it's alright to publically say 'this is bullshit' and this is why...
Yes, Covid is serious but the average age of someone dying from it is 82. From non covid illness it is 81.
Are we at full capacity in hospitals? Nope.
Are 4000 a day, as Vallance claimed could happen, dying. Nope
Supermarkets have been open right through. Staff have been working side by side. Have they had mass outbreaks? Have they been forced to close due to staff illness? Nope
I could go on but I've work to do. Been sitting in my house for 9 months now, not seen work colleagues or family but let's 'stick together'...

 

[Dogbark]

I've had plenty of moments meself Frijj lad as you well know but it's one thing to be argumentative (after all it's what the vast majority of us are on the politics board for) and it's another to be unpleasant which unfortunately is how you seem to be coming across to a canny few people lately. I know fine well that I'm not the boards most popular but I try to be respectful to people and I never get abusive unless I'm being abused myself. I had an almost 3 year semi-enforced sabbatical mainly through injury (and partly through making a tit of meself) and to tell you the truth I missed the board quite a bit - it really doesn't seem the same these days but I think that'll essentially be people just being bored out of their heads with the lockdown/furlough etc and posting bollocks as well as new members joining through boredom and not knowing the craic. I'm not being funny here but try and switch off and give yourself a break and freshen up - even if it's for a daft amount of time like a week or a fortnight.

Nite lad and you can send me my apology at your leisure Xx

There was no three-year break on here. You just created another username

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I've asked her and she says you are talking nonsense. Sensationalised claptrap. Shes more upset at the lack of care being shown to other sick people. The missed appointments, the lack of treatment, not being able to see people face to face. The nurses I know think the situation is a disgrace and things need to get back to some sort of normality.
Perhaps lockdown saved lives initially - that's debatable. Half the deaths were in care homes and you could blame the govt for that by chucking poor elderly people out of hospitals.
Lockdowns will cost more as we move forward. Now we have such a compliant population how do we know lockdowns and/or social distancing wont become the norm. Everytime there is a new virus or a bad flu season. There were 50000 excess deaths caused by flu a couple of years back...
I fear that any time the NHS is struggling, govt can impose ridiculous rules on us and we all just sit back and meekly go along with it.
What is it Yeadon and the likes of Dr Clare Craig say that you disagree with it. Are they wrong about immunity levels? Are they both wrong about the inaccuracy of mass testing using PCR testing?
Why shouldn't Yeadon get a platform on QT. It's not just politicians who go on the programme. I think he would be excellent on the programme.
I just find it incredible that on mainstream telly, there are no dissenting voices, everyone jokes about their experience in lockdown, follows the same narrative as everyone else. Surely it's alright to publically say 'this is bullshit' and this is why...
Yes, Covid is serious but the average age of someone dying from it is 82. From non covid illness it is 81.
Are we at full capacity in hospitals? Nope.
Are 4000 a day, as Vallance claimed could happen, dying. Nope
Supermarkets have been open right through. Staff have been working side by side. Have they had mass outbreaks? Have they been forced to close due to staff illness? Nope
I could go on but I've work to do. Been sitting in my house for 9 months now, not seen work colleagues or family but let's 'stick together'...

No offence here but you’ve used the phrase sensationalised claptrap and then followed it up with that...

 

[Mackemmark74]

No offence here but you’ve used the phrase sensationalised claptrap and then followed it up with that...

Dont think I've ever used the word 'claptrap' in my life. Big moment for me.
I dont think its sensationalist. Might be bollocks but just how I feel

 

[Dogbark]

Dont think I've ever used the word 'claptrap' in my life. Big moment for me.
I dont think its sensationalist. Might be bollocks but just how I feel

Who did you post as before your last ban on here?

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Dont think I've ever used the word 'claptrap' in my life. Big moment for me.
I dont think its sensationalist. Might be bollocks but just how I feel

You don’t think this phrase is sensationalist?

“I fear that any time the NHS is struggling, govt can impose ridiculous rules on us and we all just sit back and meekly go along with it”

 

[Frijj]

I've asked her and she says you are talking nonsense. Sensationalised claptrap. Shes more upset at the lack of care being shown to other sick people. The missed appointments, the lack of treatment, not being able to see people face to face. The nurses I know think the situation is a disgrace and things need to get back to some sort of normality.
Perhaps lockdown saved lives initially - that's debatable. Half the deaths were in care homes and you could blame the govt for that by chucking poor elderly people out of hospitals.
Lockdowns will cost more as we move forward. Now we have such a compliant population how do we know lockdowns and/or social distancing wont become the norm. Everytime there is a new virus or a bad flu season. There were 50000 excess deaths caused by flu a couple of years back...
I fear that any time the NHS is struggling, govt can impose ridiculous rules on us and we all just sit back and meekly go along with it.
What is it Yeadon and the likes of Dr Clare Craig say that you disagree with it. Are they wrong about immunity levels? Are they both wrong about the inaccuracy of mass testing using PCR testing?
Why shouldn't Yeadon get a platform on QT. It's not just politicians who go on the programme. I think he would be excellent on the programme.
I just find it incredible that on mainstream telly, there are no dissenting voices, everyone jokes about their experience in lockdown, follows the same narrative as everyone else. Surely it's alright to publically say 'this is bullshit' and this is why...
Yes, Covid is serious but the average age of someone dying from it is 82. From non covid illness it is 81.
Are we at full capacity in hospitals? Nope.
Are 4000 a day, as Vallance claimed could happen, dying. Nope
Supermarkets have been open right through. Staff have been working side by side. Have they had mass outbreaks? Have they been forced to close due to staff illness? Nope
I could go on but I've work to do. Been sitting in my house for 9 months now, not seen work colleagues or family but let's 'stick together'...

In case the following answer is too long, here's a three point summary

• You're wrong
• Your evidence is terrible
• Please stop contradicting yourself

Really? Your ICU nurse wife thinks I'm "sensationalising" COVID deaths? Dear me. This woman may or may not exist but to make such stuff up and attribute it to a nurse is pretty shocking stuff.

It isn't debatable at all that lockdown saved lives initially. Lockdown brought transmission down sharply and thus prevented people from getting COVID and dying through it. That's inarguable fact.

What isn't an inarguable fact is your claim that "lockdowns will cost more [lives] as we move forward. Please provide evidence or show your working.

The causes of excess winter mortality for the winter of 2017/18 are debatable. Please provide evidence that there were "50,000 deaths caused by flu" during that winter.

You can "fear" whatever you like but you must also recognise that it makes little sense for the government to put us into a lockdown or mandate social distancing in future at "any time the NHS is struggling". We only have such exceptional measures now because we're dealing with such an exceptional circumstance - not a bad flu season, but rather a novel coronavirus. Two different things.

I'm not going through the full corpus of Yeadon's work to find things I disagree with. You may recall when you posted a thread with a video from him, I went on the COVID-sceptic website that was hosting some of his work, read it, and replied in that thread with my disagreements. You can read that there.

I didn't say he couldn't go on QT, but rather that science isn't about getting a case across in a back and forth format on television. That's politics - and it values appearance and ability to communicate rather than actual facts.

I don't watch broadcast TV so I have no idea whether or not there are dissenting voices on TV.

Meaninglessly posting stats without argument or context doesn't really mean much, and you're being deliberately misleading here.

The average age of death from COVID is immaterial really - those are still deaths, there are a lot of them, and there are plenty of people dying in their 50s, 60s and 70s. Just because someone dies in their early 80s doesn't make their death any less valid.

The 4,000 deaths a day was the very worst case when we do absolutely nothing to stop the virus. Ironically, you're cutting your own argument out from under you. That was the worst case scenario if we did nothing to stop transmission, but you're against lockdowns? So you're going to call him out for being wrong, despite him saying that's how bad things would be if we didn't lockdown, whilst also being against lockdowns?

Plenty of workplaces have had outbreaks. In supermarkets actually staff aren't right next to each other. In offices staff are closest and I'm certain there are offices across the country that have seen outbreaks.

 

[TZMouk]

Because he calls out the divs? Why should he pussyfoot around the idiots?

I firmly believe we should be sensitive to everyone's circumstances but some of the tripe that people post these days is just, at best, nonsense, and at worst, dangerous nonsense.