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Frijj said:
Is that because I didn’t let you get away with posting utter turd?
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There you go again... I think you are the one posting utter turd
Ambivalent Squirrel said:
There was some boffin on the news earlier stating that one of the biggest concerns they have with getting vaccine coverage in the next months will be convincing the sceptics and conspiracy theorists of its efficacy and safety.

Facebook and Twitter have a lot to answer for.
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Those bloody scientists having an opinion on something they have expertise on. How dare they
 
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Ambivalent Squirrel said:
There was some boffin on the news earlier stating that one of the biggest concerns they have with getting vaccine coverage in the next months will be convincing the sceptics and conspiracy theorists of its efficacy and safety.

Facebook and Twitter have a lot to answer for.
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Although I’m not anti-vaccine, I haven’t seen much widespread information proving that this is a safe vaccine etc. For the skeptic among us, some big pharma CEO telling us how great it is probably won’t be the most convincing, and understandably so.
 
callum said:
Although I’m not anti-vaccine, I haven’t seen much widespread information proving that this is a safe vaccine etc. For the skeptic among us, some big pharma CEO telling us how great it is probably won’t be the most convincing, and understandably so.
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There was no suggestion from this guy that any vaccination program should proceed without the correct safety data and approvals - he was just highlighting the issues that will be faced thanks to the stuff circulating on social media.
 
Mackemmark74 said:
There you go again... I think you are the one posting utter turd

Those bloody scientists having an opinion on something they have expertise on. How dare they
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You presented arguments of two fringe scientists, both of whom were easily disproven or found to have written many falsehoods.

You stuck by these arguments because they told you what you wanted to hear - that things aren't that bad, we don't need to lockdown, and it'll all be okay.

You're unhappy that I called you out, and so you're now having a go at me for calling out people who have similar views to yourself.

Happy to discuss and debate any COVID-related issue you want, just post it and let's go.
 
Frijj said:
Happy to discuss and debate any COVID-related issue you want, just post it and let's go.
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There is NO reasoning with these lunatics. It doesnt matter how many of these theories are debunked they will either move the goalposts or move onto a different theory or deny facts.
 
Frijj said:
You presented arguments of two fringe scientists, both of whom were easily disproven or found to have written many falsehoods.

You stuck by these arguments because they told you what you wanted to hear - that things aren't that bad, we don't need to lockdown, and it'll all be okay.

You're unhappy that I called you out, and so you're now having a go at me for calling out people who have similar views to yourself.

Happy to discuss and debate any COVID-related issue you want, just post it and let's go.
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It's your language and tone. It's pretty vile.
I dont agree with national lockdowns, I dont agree with many of the restrictions being imposed on us and I don't like the way things are heading. If that makes me a lunatic then so be it.
There are thousands of others now with similar views but we are branded nutters.
I'd love for Yeadon, Levitt or any of the others to go onto Qt and get a platform with other scientists so we could have it out in an open, grown-up conversation. It's okay to ask questions and be suspicious of what's happening. It's not just nutters like David Icke you know.
But you know better than everyone else.
 
DaftGet said:
When is enough enough?

-No new Diesel/Petrol cars from 2030 bet a house if you own one it will be taxed to bits
-Covid clear passports on route no doubt (work requirement)
-Social media deciding who can say what without oversight
-Stay indoors or be fined
-Have Christmas but lockdown after as punishment
-Lockdown's cause more harm than good (WHO) Lets lockdown more
-Track and Trace
-Snoopers Charter


The people in charge have shown themselves time and time again to be total puppets and morons to resign the constant narrative as incomitance is retarded we are tip toping towards something else.

I trust the common sense of my fellow Britain's over all the news lately. If a family agree to meet why is that not their choice?

The temperature of the water is slowly being increased to boiling point and we are happy denying that the rights that our ancestor's and family members fought for are not being stripped away in the name of fear is offensive.

Usual Blah Blah Conspiracy insults. When does conspiracy theory become conspiracy fact?
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The masses willingly let the government stick a cheeky finger in ‘for our own good’, it was a forgone conclusion that we’d end up looking like we’d spent the weekend at a Michael Barymore pool party.
 
DaftGet said:
When is enough enough?

-No new Diesel/Petrol cars from 2030 bet a house if you own one it will be taxed to bits
-Covid clear passports on route no doubt (work requirement)
-Social media deciding who can say what without oversight
-Stay indoors or be fined
-Have Christmas but lockdown after as punishment
-Lockdown's cause more harm than good (WHO) Lets lockdown more
-Track and Trace
-Snoopers Charter


The people in charge have shown themselves time and time again to be total puppets and morons to resign the constant narrative as incomitance is retarded we are tip toping towards something else.

I trust the common sense of my fellow Britain's over all the news lately. If a family agree to meet why is that not their choice?

The temperature of the water is slowly being increased to boiling point and we are happy denying that the rights that our ancestor's and family members fought for are not being stripped away in the name of fear is offensive.

Usual Blah Blah Conspiracy insults. When does conspiracy theory become conspiracy fact?
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You've missed of the paragraph at the bottom mate which said "lyk and share if u agree"
 
Mackemmark74 said:
It's your language and tone. It's pretty vile.
I dont agree with national lockdowns, I dont agree with many of the restrictions being imposed on us and I don't like the way things are heading. If that makes me a lunatic then so be it.
There are thousands of others now with similar views but we are branded nutters.
I'd love for Yeadon, Levitt or any of the others to go onto Qt and get a platform with other scientists so we could have it out in an open, grown-up conversation. It's okay to ask questions and be suspicious of what's happening. It's not just nutters like David Icke you know.
But you know better than everyone else.
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That is a good point. Why not debate these types,what have they got to loose, 🤫
 
Mackemmark74 said:
It's your language and tone. It's pretty vile.
I dont agree with national lockdowns, I dont agree with many of the restrictions being imposed on us and I don't like the way things are heading. If that makes me a lunatic then so be it.
There are thousands of others now with similar views but we are branded nutters.
I'd love for Yeadon, Levitt or any of the others to go onto Qt and get a platform with other scientists so we could have it out in an open, grown-up conversation. It's okay to ask questions and be suspicious of what's happening. It's not just nutters like David Icke you know.
But you know better than everyone else.
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My tone might be vile, but maybe you should ask your ICU nurse wife how the last minutes of those patients on ventilators are. I guarantee you, that's much worse than a few harsh words.

I'm glad you've finally dropped the pretence that you're interested in what the science says, and have come out that you're against lockdowns. Despite the fact that they've saved tens of thousands of lives.

We don't do science by Question Time. Science isn't about who is the best speaker or who can win over an audience of people - that's politics.

I completely agree though, it's absolutely fine to ask questions, but when you're going against the grain of the evidence, and the consensus of experts, you need something that's irrefutable. Where is Yeadon et al's irrefutable evidence against lockdowns?

I do know better than most to be fair. Not better than all, and not better than Whitty and the like, but I do know better than most.
 
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Frijj said:
I completely agree though, it's absolutely fine to ask questions, but when you're going against the grain of the evidence, and the consensus of experts, you need something that's irrefutable. Where is Yeadon et al's irrefutable evidence against lockdowns?
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Sweden ? Have you got the stats for Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmo to hand over this period ? As far as I can tell they were told 75k deaths by this point unless they locked down ? Looking at worldometer it seems everything is in line with the seasonal averages ?
 
SAFCOldie said:
Sweden ? Have you got the stats for Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmo to hand over this period ? As far as I can tell they were told 75k deaths by this point unless they locked down ? Looking at worldometer it seems everything is in line with the seasonal averages ?
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Can you actually ask an informed question instead of this mishmash? I have to admit, you're good at this, asking questions and making it appear as if it's 'right' but basing your question on a load of assumptions that the listener is supposed to just take at face value.

Why Sweden? Please - present the argument for Sweden, present the evidence of how many deaths they were 'told' they'd have and show me what the season averages are.

If you're not data literate enough to present that, then there's no point talking to you. I have wasted so much time trying to reason you, when you're really little more than a pointless, attention seeking troll.

If you want to 'question things' then present your own evidence, or don't bother.
 
callum said:
Although I’m not anti-vaccine, I haven’t seen much widespread information proving that this is a safe vaccine etc. For the skeptic among us, some big pharma CEO telling us how great it is probably won’t be the most convincing, and understandably so.
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It's an emergency measure which has been rushed through IMO and I have similar feelings - out of interest would/will you take it if it was offered?
 
The only reason the majority of people questioning any vaccine are doing so is the amount of publicity it has had/the end game. Most of these folk (not all) will have happily had their kids have other vaccines without even thinking about it. I trust the medical regulators to make the right decisions, and will continue to do so.
 
Sessegnons Mam said:
The only reason the majority of people questioning any vaccine are doing so is the amount of publicity it has had/the end game. Most of these folk (not all) will have happily had their kids have other vaccines without even thinking about it. I trust the medical regulators to make the right decisions, and will continue to do so.
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Yes but why would kids even need it?
 
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