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Newcastle thread Oct and Nov 2020

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The Fish said:
Like shite. Burnley wouldn't trade their manager who's got them top half twice on a shoestring for a bloke who couldn't get Aston Villa promoted from the Championship with the biggest budget in that league ever.
Fulham and West Brom might give him a go, possibly,maybe, certainly wouldn't be "No problem". But like I say, Steve Bruce isn't anyone's first choice. Reports say he was 11th choice for us!

and if the only teams in the league that would maybe give him the gig are the ones in the relegation mire, what the fuck does that tell you about him? :lol:
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Mate you’re going to have to stop living in the past and keep referring to Villa etc. We need to keep it to current role as everything else is irrelevant.
And yes those clubs starring at relegation ( albeit it early days ) would want a manager who currently keeps his team up with ease. you say “what does it tell you about him” ? Well it tells me he does a capable job of securing premier league status.
To flip it, not a cat in hells chance I’d swop Bruce for Dyche.
 

mad cyril said:
Mate you’re going to have to stop living in the past and keep referring to Villa etc. We need to keep it to current role as everything else is irrelevant.
And yes those clubs starring at relegation ( albeit it early days ) would want a manager who currently keeps his team up with ease. you say “what does it tell you about him” ? Well it tells me he does a capable job of securing premier league status.
To flip it, not a cat in hells chance I’d swop Bruce for Dyche.
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If we're only looking at the here and now, Bruce hasn't secured Premier League survival yet. On the 'here and now' you wouldn't take Guardiola, Hassenhutl, Espirito Santo, Potter, Wilder, Hodgson? You'd go for Dean Smith ahead of all of them?

I could understand if last season's stats were unusual, the shoeings we got bizarre, the mess we looked an oddity. But they're not, are they? The only thing unusual about Bruce's Newcastle last season was the points they ended up with.
 
The Fish said:
You keep doing this mate. Blaming only Benitez for the relegation, ignoring McClaren, ignoring that his PpG was better than other managers who managed to survive in similar situations in different seasons. You state he spent more money than anyone else, which is flat out false as Aston Villa(£77m) outspent Newcastle(£57m) in that very season (Villa managed by Steve Bruce to 13th, no less). You keep bringing up the cup runs as if beating Rochdale (after a replay), Oxford (after a replay), Morcambe and Newport is some kind of high bar. Especially when you look at the line-ups put out in the games vs the line-ups put out by Benitez.

You state he has a worse record in the league, but in full seasons he either beat the final position , or beat the points return. So in what way is Bruce outperforming him in the League? More goals? Nope. Fewer conceded? Nope. More possession? Nope.

Like shite. Burnley wouldn't trade their manager who's got them top half twice on a shoestring for a bloke who couldn't get Aston Villa promoted from the Championship with the biggest budget in that league ever.
Fulham and West Brom might give him a go, possibly,maybe, certainly wouldn't be "No problem". But like I say, Steve Bruce isn't anyone's first choice. Reports say he was 11th choice for us!

and if the only teams in the league that would maybe give him the gig are the ones in the relegation mire, what the fuck does that tell you about him? :lol:
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It is when Benitez is losing 3-0 away to Oxford with Perez and Mitrovic as their front two. He got you relegated (not his fault) hopeless in cups (not his fault) has worse PPG than Steve Bruce of all people (not his fault) That team that got relegated could easily have stayed up, the performance at Villa given where Villa were - bottom not having lost loads in a row, getting hammered off everyone and you went there and Rafa wouldn't let you take a risk. It was ridiculous. I saw in the second half of the Sunderland game that there was enough in that team to say up and of course when the shackles were off you battered Spurs.
 
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It is when Benitez is losing 3-0 away to Oxford with Perez and Mitrovic as their front two.
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And Sels, Good, Hanley, Haidara, Gamez, Barlaser, Lazaar, Hayden, El-Mahni behind them. That's not even a second string man, it's third or fourth. And even then, they should have beaten Oxford and it's shit that they didn't. Needing to bites at the cherry to get past Oxford, Rochdale is bad, not good.
He got you relegated (not his fault) hopeless in cups (not his fault) has worse PPG than Steve Bruce of all people (not his fault) That team that got relegated could easily have stayed up, the performance at Villa given where Villa were - bottom not having lost loads in a row, getting hammered off everyone and you went there and Rafa wouldn't let you take a risk. It was ridiculous.
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Played a 4-2-3-1 away from home against an ultra defensive 5-3-2. Had lion's share of chances, shots, possession. Manager could have gone even more attacking, I suppose, but to read it on here he pitched up with 9 men behind the ball, which is fundamentally not true.
I saw in the second half of the Sunderland game that there was enough in that team to say up and of course when the shackles were off you battered Spurs.
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Those final 10 games we won 3, drew 4 and lost 3 (1.3PpG). Including creditable draws against Man City and Liverpool. If we'd had that 1.3PpG throughout the season we would have ended up on 51pts, good enough for 10th. I've said it before but if McClaren had been sacked after the drubbing at Chelsea, RB would have had a fortnight to work on the side before winnable games against Stoke and Bournemouth and I'd have expected us to stay up.

What did for us was the other team in the mix went on an impressive run of their own. In the final 10 games you won 3, drew 6 and only lost once (1.5PpG). That's remarkable for a relegation side. If you'd managed that throughout the season you'd have ended up on 57pts. Good enough for 9th. Had you maintained your form up until that point (24pts/28games=0.85 PpG) you would have finished on 32pts and in 19th position.
 
The Fish said:
And Sels, Good, Hanley, Haidara, Gamez, Barlaser, Lazaar, Hayden, El-Mahni behind them. That's not even a second string man, it's third or fourth. And even then, they should have beaten Oxford and it's shit that they didn't. Needing to bites at the cherry to get past Oxford, Rochdale is bad, not good.

Played a 4-2-3-1 away from home against an ultra defensive 5-3-2. Had lion's share of chances, shots, possession. Manager could have gone even more attacking, I suppose, but to read it on here he pitched up with 9 men behind the ball, which is fundamentally not true.

Those final 10 games we won 3, drew 4 and lost 3 (1.3PpG). Including creditable draws against Man City and Liverpool. If we'd had that 1.3PpG throughout the season we would have ended up on 51pts, good enough for 10th. I've said it before but if McClaren had been sacked after the drubbing at Chelsea, RB would have had a fortnight to work on the side before winnable games against Stoke and Bournemouth and I'd have expected us to stay up.

What did for us was the other team in the mix went on an impressive run of their own. In the final 10 games you won 3, drew 6 and only lost once (1.5PpG). That's remarkable for a relegation side. If you'd managed that throughout the season you'd have ended up on 57pts. Good enough for 9th. Had you maintained your form up until that point (24pts/28games=0.85 PpG) you would have finished on 32pts and in 19th position.
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Blah, blah, blah....

Bruce has 7 points from 4 games or 66.5 over 38 games.
 
The Fish said:
And Sels, Good, Hanley, Haidara, Gamez, Barlaser, Lazaar, Hayden, El-Mahni behind them. That's not even a second string man, it's third or fourth. And even then, they should have beaten Oxford and it's shit that they didn't. Needing to bites at the cherry to get past Oxford, Rochdale is bad, not good.

Played a 4-2-3-1 away from home against an ultra defensive 5-3-2. Had lion's share of chances, shots, possession. Manager could have gone even more attacking, I suppose, but to read it on here he pitched up with 9 men behind the ball, which is fundamentally not true.

Those final 10 games we won 3, drew 4 and lost 3 (1.3PpG). Including creditable draws against Man City and Liverpool. If we'd had that 1.3PpG throughout the season we would have ended up on 51pts, good enough for 10th. I've said it before but if McClaren had been sacked after the drubbing at Chelsea, RB would have had a fortnight to work on the side before winnable games against Stoke and Bournemouth and I'd have expected us to stay up.

What did for us was the other team in the mix went on an impressive run of their own. In the final 10 games you won 3, drew 6 and only lost once (1.5PpG). That's remarkable for a relegation side. If you'd managed that throughout the season you'd have ended up on 57pts. Good enough for 9th. Had you maintained your form up until that point (24pts/28games=0.85 PpG) you would have finished on 32pts and in 19th position.
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Cup games are only ever about going through only you could compare getting thrashed at Oxford favourably to knocking out Newport and Rochdale. The Villa game was absolutely shameful given how easy they were to beat for every team that played them at that time. They had completely given up and the manager was scared to win the game for fear of losing it.
 
rentaghost said:
Cup games are only ever about going through only you could compare getting thrashed at Oxford favourably to knocking out Newport and Rochdale. The Villa game was absolutely shameful given how easy they were to beat for every team that played them at that time. They had completely given up and the manager was scared to win the game for fear of losing it.
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said it a million times, if he’s as great as people make out he’d have kept us up.
He only had to beat one of either the worst Villa team in history, equally as bad Norwich or Sunderland at home and he’d have done the job he was brought in to do.
Of course the relegation is not solely his fault but he failed to do what was required. Thats fact and not even up for debate imo
 
It's crap to watch under Bruce, it was under Benitez as well. We seemed more organised under Benitez. But Bruce is doing way better than I expected him to. Been enjoyable having a couple of cup runs as well, actually trying in the cups instead of sacking them off on purpose.

Things could be better, definitely. I don't really rate Bruce, but he's doing ok. I expected us to get relegated last season but he surprised me, even if we were lucky as hell in quite a few games. Still early days this season and it's been a mixed bag, but it should hopefully improve on last season.
 
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I think its disgraceful regards the Power Grab but how these fuckers can call anyone after begging the Murderers to buy them is beyond me
 
mr chuckles said:
Is very exciting to watch the type of player that gets you off your seat and if he played for us we would adore him.

He makes things happen and his pace is frightening yea he has some poor games but for a mid to lower club like the mags he's a very good player
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All fart and nee shite
Vore said:
I was amazed no-one bought him this summer. He'd walk in to most CL teams (unfortunately).
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No he wouldn't man.
 
mr chuckles said:
Is very exciting to watch the type of player that gets you off your seat and if he played for us we would adore him.

He makes things happen and his pace is frightening yea he has some poor games but for a mid to lower club like the mags he's a very good player
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This, what I've seen of them he's their only player. Some stay kicking about which say PPG in which he played were far superior to those he missed.
 
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