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I took from it that it’ll depend on how his Australian summer goes and any prospective call-up to the Aussie side which would affect availability.

Seems clear we want him but there’s a lot of cricket for him between now and next April so it’s up to him from there.

On the news, I think it’s more positive signs on the whole, I’m really excited about next season now and I genuinely think we’ll get promoted if we’re able to have a proper season.

Said many times this ‘summer’ that I hoped everyone could be retained, I certainly don’t feel it’s fair to get rid of anyone based on performances - but to me, those who’ve been let go are probably being done for mainly financial reasons, of course cricketing ability/promise will be part of it, but I think all counties will be thinking long and hard about how much money they can afford to spend on their playing staff, I don’t think we’ll be alone in trimming our squad.


You’ve got to be on a wind up........?! :eek:


Not quite the whole story though, is it?

Dale Benkenstein anyone? Michael Di Venuto? Otis Gibson?

We’ve had plenty of kolpak players who’ve been a success for/with us and yes, of course we would rather have homegrowns, but we’ve got a pretty decent record over the last twenty years of both producing world class talent AND picking up valuable naturalised Brits.

It’s perfectly fine to have both.

AND, I feel very strongly that actually, we’ve almost always maintained the right balance on this issue. Certainly with respect of the circumstances we’ve found ourselves in.

I remember the early years of kolpaks, they were littered all around the county circuit, some very good players and some absolute dross aswell, but we stuck for a long time with our one overseas man and a side full pretty much of local lads. Problem was, every game it seemed like the oppositions kolpaks were making key contributions and we were being left behind.

The thinking quickly became ‘if you can’t beat them, join them’.

We struck gold with Benks and he’ll go down as one of the most influential players in the clubs history. Others like Thorp and Breese, along with the lads already mentioned helped to propel us right to the top of the tree.

How much of the growth and development of lads like Stoneman, Borthwick, Stokes, Harmison, Mustard, etc, etc, etc were improved exponentially by having role models and mentors like them?

Of course the overarching point is that you have to be practical and pragmatic - we’ve got plenty of local talent in the squad and they’ll get their chance - but sometimes you have to look further afield to strengthen your ranks.

That’s before you consider that in recent times, many players who we produced from local sources have left for what they view as greener grass - those gaps need plugging and players like Mark Stoneman, Keaton Jennings and Scott Borthwick don’t just come along all the time. They’re not ten a penny. Nurturing talent takes a long time and when that talent chooses to leave you there’s no real compensation - either financially or from a squad strengthening point of view.

But these aren't Benkenstein or Michael Di Venuto who were international standard players, but with no path into the side.

I'd rather have Steel than the few lads they've took on personally.

journeyman lads, fair enough if they want them in, but don't do it at the expense of local talent, which seems to have happened here.
 

If Cook is still involved with the Academy with Windows , plus Walker and Killeen at senior level, I can't see much changing regarding development. 2 of the Saffers are internationals so they're a bit more than "journeymen " but I can't see the point of signing Dickson especially as Borthwick was clearly on the horizon. Fact is though, there are no young batting prospects knocking on the 1st team door so interim signings were necessary. 3 youngsters in the Under 19 Lions squad indicates that the Academy is still producing.

That wasn’t the impression I got at all. The way I remember it, Dickson was signed right at the start of the ‘resumption’ and the club cited it as a long-term signing very much with a view for the future (2021 onwards), as I understand it he’s only been ‘on-loan’ this year.

Whereas with Borthwick it seemed to happen very quickly and I felt like it was all very opportunistic in that either he decided he’d had enough of London or that Surrey had given him a nudge of sorts in that he’s not part of their immediate plans.
 
So where do we think Steel is going?
I will take a punt at Warwickshire.
If anyone is on twitter they could ask Marty as he has commented on today's news on his feed that some of these deals where agreed s while ago. Also he did say on commentary during the last match that all the players would be offered new deals.
 
But these aren't Benkenstein or Michael Di Venuto who were international standard players, but with no path into the side.

I'd rather have Steel than the few lads they've took on personally.

journeyman lads, fair enough if they want them in, but don't do it at the expense of local talent, which seems to have happened here.

I didn’t say they were, but often you never quite know how good someone is going to be until you try them. Bedingham and Berhardien DO have international experience though - so I’m not sure who you’re referring to.

As an example - Yorkshire put Lees on the scrapheap, yet we’ve given him a fresh start and he’s absolutely thrived for us. The lads I mentioned, the jury is still out, but I saw plenty from Bedingham to suggest he’ll be a valuable asset to us next season.

It isn’t a case of either/or. Steel was offered a contract - but he chose to leave.

I’m more than satisfied that those tasked with judging our talent have decided that it’s not worth breaking the bank in the current climate for a white ball specialist.

In the case of Steel, I’m afraid you’re wrong, we haven’t opted for ‘journeyman talent’ over a local lad.
 
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I didn’t say they were, but often you never quite know how good someone is going to be until you try them. Bedingham and Berhardien DO have international experience though - so I’m not sure who you’re referring to.

As an example - Yorkshire put Lees on the scrapheap, yet we’ve given him a fresh start and he’s absolutely thrived for us. The lads I mentioned, the jury is still out, but I saw plenty from Bedingham to suggest he’ll be a valuable asset to us next season.

It isn’t a case of either/or. Steel was offered a contract - but he chose to leave.

I’m more than satisfied that those tasked with judging our talent have decided that it’s not worth breaking the bank in the current climate for a white ball specialist.

In the case of Steel, I’m afraid you’re wrong, we haven’t opted for ‘journeyman talent’ over a local lad.
Don't think Bedingham has international experience.
 
So where do we think Steel is going?
I will take a punt at Warwickshire.
If anyone is on twitter they could ask Marty as he has commented on today's news on his feed that some of these deals where agreed s while ago. Also he did say on commentary during the last match that all the players would be offered new deals.
Looks like potentially Leicestershire based on his recent follows on twitter.
 
I didn’t say they were, but often you never quite know how good someone is going to be until you try them. Bedingham and Berhardien DO have international experience though - so I’m not sure who you’re referring to.

As an example - Yorkshire put Lees on the scrapheap, yet we’ve given him a fresh start and he’s absolutely thrived for us. The lads I mentioned, the jury is still out, but I saw plenty from Bedingham to suggest he’ll be a valuable asset to us next season.

It isn’t a case of either/or. Steel was offered a contract - but he chose to leave.

I’m more than satisfied that those tasked with judging our talent have decided that it’s not worth breaking the bank in the current climate for a white ball specialist.

In the case of Steel, I’m afraid you’re wrong, we haven’t opted for ‘journeyman talent’ over a local lad.

Says who?

I think we have. Wasted wages on some kolpaks.
 
Says who?

I think we have. Wasted wages on some kolpaks.

Says the fact that Steel was offered a contract and decided not to take it.

If we’d released him, you might have an argument - but we didn’t. He snubbed us.

Which kolpaks have we wasted wages on, in your opinion?
 
Says the fact that Steel was offered a contract and decided not to take it.

If we’d released him, you might have an argument - but we didn’t. He snubbed us.

Which kolpaks have we wasted wages on, in your opinion?

we'll have to agree to disagree with this one, I wouldn't have signed any of the saffers they did last year
 
I'm very disappointed about Coughlin and Bell. Both not given any sort of chance, whilst others this season were given chances time and time again and didn't produce. Whilst I've not been against the recent recruitment policy I still believe we need to give youngsters a chance and I feel times this season were good chances and it's a shame it never happened. Still questions marks for me over Marcus North, was never convinced with him. See how it goes but we need to start and deliver next season
 
we'll have to agree to disagree with this one, I wouldn't have signed any of the saffers they did last year

So you wouldn’t have signed Bedingham and Behardien?

Does that mean you’d play Scott Steel in the side instead of either? If so, where would you have him bat?
 
So you wouldn’t have signed Bedingham and Behardien?

Does that mean you’d play Scott Steel in the side instead of either? If so, where would you have him bat?

No I wouldn't

and that is not down to me

I said earlier, quality not quantity

unless they are a class above I'd just want to develop our own
 
No I wouldn't

and that is not down to me

I said earlier, quality not quantity

unless they are a class above I'd just want to develop our own

Which was pretty much my entire point earlier when I referenced Benkenstein et al.

Which is also what I believe the club’s overall view is.

Bedingham has shown decent promise that he can be a valuable top order bat for us, unfortunately the same can’t be said for Steel.

On Behardien, far too early to say.
 
Which was pretty much my entire point earlier when I referenced Benkenstein et al.

Which is also what I believe the club’s overall view is.

Bedingham has shown decent promise that he can be a valuable top order bat for us, unfortunately the same can’t be said for Steel.

On Behardien, far too early to say.

Listen Brandon, I am not asking you to change your view, my personal view as a Durham lad is I don't want us signing saffers unless they are exceptional, I feel we flooded the squad with too many outside the area

Steel was a good white ball talent, and he is gone too soon
 
Listen Brandon, I am not asking you to change your view, my personal view as a Durham lad is I don't want us signing saffers unless they are exceptional, I feel we flooded the squad with too many outside the area

Steel was a good white ball talent, and he is gone too soon

What you aren’t seeing is that our view is the same.

What you also aren’t seeing is that actually, the club really haven’t ‘flooded’ the squad with too many from outside the area.

Although perhaps your opinion on the maximum permissible number of outsiders varies from mine.

BUT, what I’m absolutely certain of, is that you’ve not taken any of the circumstances and/or mitigation I mentioned earlier on board as to why they may have more ‘foreigners’ on the books than either you or I would have liked.

Which is why I pressed you to speak of individuals and explain your feelings towards them when put up against a local.

It’s easy to bemoan the lack of local players playing or being given opportunities, but it’s a results business and when other counties come pillaging our best homegrown talent, who we’ve found, taught, nurtured and spent tens of thousands of pounds worth of training hours on, it isn’t always just as simple as throwing a cap to the next local lad off the rank.

I maintain my view that we still have a more than acceptable ‘balance’ and the only reason we have as many outsiders on the staff as we do at present is due to what I’d consider ‘acceptable exceptions’.
 
What you aren’t seeing is that our view is the same.

What you also aren’t seeing is that actually, the club really haven’t ‘flooded’ the squad with too many from outside the area.

Although perhaps your opinion on the maximum permissible number of outsiders varies from mine.

BUT, what I’m absolutely certain of, is that you’ve not taken any of the circumstances and/or mitigation I mentioned earlier on board as to why they may have more ‘foreigners’ on the books than either you or I would have liked.

Which is why I pressed you to speak of individuals and explain your feelings towards them when put up against a local.

It’s easy to bemoan the lack of local players playing or being given opportunities, but it’s a results business and when other counties come pillaging our best homegrown talent, who we’ve found, taught, nurtured and spent tens of thousands of pounds worth of training hours on, it isn’t always just as simple as throwing a cap to the next local lad off the rank.

I maintain my view that we still have a more than acceptable ‘balance’ and the only reason we have as many outsiders on the staff as we do at present is due to what I’d consider ‘acceptable exceptions’.

Its simple, the lads we have signed are not good enough quality to stunt development of others

they are probably better, but not by enough

Just my view like, nto sure why you keep repeating your view like

its fine that you disagree, we have different views on the squad.
 
Its simple, the lads we have signed are not good enough quality to stunt development of others

they are probably better, but not by enough

Just my view like, nto sure why you keep repeating your view like

its fine that you disagree, we have different views on the squad.

Right, so who in your opinion has had their development stunted by foreigners?

As for the bit in bold - I can’t make sense of that at all, are you suggesting that you’d rather have a poorer squad aslong as they were all local?!

Can’t see any sense in that whatsoever.
 
Right, so who in your opinion has had their development stunted by foreigners?

As for the bit in bold - I can’t make sense of that at all, are you suggesting that you’d rather have a poorer squad aslong as they were all local?!

Can’t see any sense in that whatsoever.

Yeah absolutely, for the level we are talking about, no point signing 3 kolpaks who improve us by 1 place in the table.

either lads who are a step above in class, or don't bother.

You don't agree, its fine, let it go. Not sure why you have posted 10 replies saying the same thing like.

I am not asking for your opinion. let it go.

good night.
 
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