[3rd Test] England v Pakistan (Rose Bowl)

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I agree, that would be the conventional way to do it, however the current options aren’t obvious (to me at least) and when we have the top 3 & Pope all starting out at Test level I’d be reluctant to throw more inexperience in there. I’m all for giving new blood a chance however, although in this bubble I don’t think there is anyone else is there?

Indeed. When Stokes comes back I’d lose a bowler tho

 

[Salem Street South]

We can have 4 quicks if we don’t pick Bess ,6 batsman one keeper 4 quicks with Stokes as possible 5th quick, strengthening the batting and picking our 4 best bowlers at the same team.

Win win for me


He has showed imo against the best attack
in the world he can perform, they is not another opening in this country close to that pedigree imo.

Prefer him to Sibley tbh, as think he would have struggled against that Aussie attack

All fair points mate.

Bess has shown ability with the bat, that’s what’s getting him in the side over Leach at the moment and if it’s a worn pitch this time around, he’s worth his place. However like you say when there’s 86 overs bowled and the spinner doesn’t bowl it’s fair to ask if we should play another batsman, particularly when Root can bowl a few overs if necessary.

Burns did do well against a very good attack, and as such has credit in the bank. However he can’t live off the back of that series forever.

 

[Voice of fair play]

All fair points mate.

Bess has shown ability with the bat, that’s what’s getting him in the side over Leach at the moment and if it’s a worn pitch this time around, he’s worth his place. However like you say when there’s 86 overs bowled and the spinner doesn’t bowl it’s fair to ask if we should play another batsman, particularly when Root can bowl a few overs if necessary.

Burns did do well against a very good attack, and as such has credit in the bank. However he can’t live off the back of that series forever.

And particularly when we have such riches in the fast bowling department

 

[Salem Street South]

And particularly when we have such riches in the fast bowling department

Agreed

 

[The Rat]

His place shouldn't be in doubt because of three scores

I think long term he will struggle personally

so many moving parts he has to be absolutely in the zone just to survive

Poor effort.

Your bias to surrey is hilarious

he averages less than bairstow who you hate for no apparent reason

a very strange man

With the fast bowling department so strong would not pick Bess.

86 overs in their first innings last test and not one ball

can someone tell me how archer is ahead of wood?

Wood since his run up change is so much quicker

we don’t need 3 85mph rightarm bowlers

Exactly there is too much of this tradition that we must pick a spinner.

No disrespect to Bess, but we have the best fast bowling depth I can ever remember.

Just pick your best 4 bowlers and no doubt in my mind Bess is not one of them!


I thought against a brilliant attack in the Ashes that the Aussies had ,Burns stood up to it well, with the other options available well worth his place imo.

he had a virtually identical record to Denly like

they both did decent I though but it just shows you have important perceptions and who you play for is

 

[Voice of fair play]

I think long term he will struggle personally

so many moving parts he has to be absolutely in the zone just to survive

Your bias to surrey is hilarious

he averages less than bairstow who you hate for no apparent reason

a very strange man


can someone tell me how archer is ahead of wood?

Wood since his run up change is so much quicker

we don’t need 3 85mph rightarm bowlers

It can’t be underestimated how good Cummins and Hazelwood were in the Ashes they were absolutely superb.

For Burns to come through that with a plus for his performances does for me.

You don’t perform against that attack bowling that well ,if you not a good player.

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

Hopefully the tour to India goes ahead in the winter (5 test series I think) that will test the quirky techniques of some of our batsmen and actually how good our bowling attack is. The Indians have a decent pace attack themselves so they may not even prepare dust bowls.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Hopefully the tour to India goes ahead in the winter (5 test series I think) that will test the quirky techniques of some of our batsmen and actually how good our bowling attack is. The Indians have a decent pace attack themselves so they may not even prepare dust bowls.

I can’t see it to be honest, India is having a dreadful time.

The IPL is now in the UAE next month, playing there may be possible

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

I can’t see it to be honest, India is having a dreadful time.

The IPL is now in the UAE next month, playing there may be possible

They may end up playing the England tour in the middle East as well. I can't see it getting cancelled to much money involved for both countries to loose.

 

[The Rat]

It can’t be underestimated how good Cummins and Hazelwood were in the Ashes they were absolutely superb.

For Burns to come through that with a plus for his performances does for me.

You don’t perform against that attack bowling that well ,if you not a good player.

yeah I agree whichis why I defend Denly

as they had almost identical records

yet you wouldnever have guessed that would you?

Hopefully the tour to India goes ahead in the winter (5 test series I think) that will test the quirky techniques of some of our batsmen and actually how good our bowling attack is. The Indians have a decent pace attack themselves so they may not even prepare dust bowls.

it’s going to be in the UAE

that’s what George dobell told me

more than likely 3 tests with more ODIs

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

yeah I agree whichis why I defend Denly

as they had almost identical records

yet you wouldnever have guessed that would you?


it’s going to be in the UAE

that’s what George dobell told me

more than likely 3 tests with more ODIs

It will definitely go ahead slightly disappointed if it's not a 5 test series but it should be a huge challenge for England.

 

[Salem Street South]

Quite like the idea of a series against India in the UAE. Would slightly fancy our chances, more than in India, not sure why, possibly because we would have more experience of playing there than them.

 

[TopCat]

Has there been any update from the Stokes family? Is it Ged who is ill?


In terms of selection, I'd like to see a bit more variety in the attack. Broad and Woakes are in the form of their lives so they stay in, but I'd add some pace in form are Mark Wood and it's a toss up between Curran, Robinson, Archer or Anderson


Burns, Sibley, Crawley, Root (c), Pope, Buttler (w), Woakes, Broad, Bess, Archer, Wood

Maybe Anderson for Bess if it's not a spinning pitch

(sorry @Ghfd )

 

[Steak Pie]

Burns is fortunate Stokes is NA, his place should be under pressure with scores of 4, 10 & 0 in his last three knocks, plus two drops in the last test.

Doesn’t take much imagination to think what the usual suspects would have to say if that had been Buttler’s recent record.

Got 57 and 90 three games ago, that 90 being a score that Jos has topped once in his entire 6 year test career.

Buttler has exactly 18 more runs than Burns this summer and we're all saying that he's doing better and, for once, is deserving of his place. Unless you think Buttler's place should be under pressure as well?

 

[Salem Street South]

Got 57 and 90 three games ago, that 90 being a score that Jos has topped once in his entire 6 year test career.

Buttler has exactly 18 more runs than Burns this summer and we're all saying that he's doing better and, for once, is deserving of his place. Unless you think Buttler's place should be under pressure as well?

1. It's 16 more runs.
2. Really. Saying he's doing better and 'for once' deserving of his place, isn't what I've seen on here tbh & is damning him with faint praise. You simply aren't capable of being fair or objective where Buttler is concerned.
3. No. Of course his place isn't under pressure, he's just won us a Test match from an impossible position. How many Tests has Burns won us this summer, or ever in fact?
4. The difference is Burns is a top order batsman, Buttler is a lower middle order wicket keeper batsman, you are comparing apples with oranges. The fact is, if Buttler had those scores in his last three Tests, as well as the dropped chances, you and the rest would be screaming for him to be dropped.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

1. It's 16 more runs.
2. Really. Saying he's doing better and 'for once' deserving of his place, isn't what I've seen on here tbh & is damning him with faint praise. You simply aren't capable of being fair or objective where Buttler is concerned.
3. No. Of course his place isn't under pressure, he's just won us a Test match from an impossible position. How many Tests has Burns won us this summer, or ever in fact?
4. The difference is Burns is a top order batsman, Buttler is a lower middle order wicket keeper batsman, you are comparing apples with oranges. The fact is, if Buttler had those scores in his last three Tests, as well as the dropped chances, you and the rest would be screaming for him to be dropped.

On your 3rd point, you do know Woakes scored more than him right? He played well, he didnt win the test by himself.

On the 2nd, his biggest critics (me and others) wouldn’t drop him now. Some of the stuff is light hearted. And he’s played well (with the bat) in recent weeks so deserves his place. I’m still allowed to say he’s played a lot of tests with very little output so far

 

[Steak Pie]

1. It's 16 more runs.
2. Really. Saying he's doing better and 'for once' deserving of his place, isn't what I've seen on here tbh & is damning him with faint praise. You simply aren't capable of being fair or objective where Buttler is concerned.
3. No. Of course his place isn't under pressure, he's just won us a Test match from an impossible position. How many Tests has Burns won us this summer, or ever in fact?
4. The difference is Burns is a top order batsman, Buttler is a lower middle order wicket keeper batsman, you are comparing apples with oranges. The fact is, if Buttler had those scores in his last three Tests, as well as the dropped chances, you and the rest would be screaming for him to be dropped.

16 more runs in 4 (and a bit) matches, and with that you're saying one is under pressure and one isn't. What I said was that it was a great innings building on a solid series v the Windies, and it was. It's the first time since Sri Lanka 2018 that he's justified his place. Good on him.

Three weeks ago Burns got 147 runs in one match, something Buttler has never done. Not as a keeper, nor as a batsman in his 46 matches.

It's pretty funny that you brought up Buttler and compared him to Burns, and now you're claiming I'm 'comparing apples with oranges'. And it's even funnier that you seem to be focusing on the catches Burns dropped in the slips, but not the horrendous performance behind the stumps which required him and Woakes to rescue the game. Objective you say?

If Burns is still struggling in a few games time, then we'll talk.

 

[Salem Street South]

On your 3rd point, you do know Woakes scored more than him right? He played well, he didnt win the test by himself.

On the 2nd, his biggest critics (me and others) wouldn’t drop him now. Some of the stuff is light hearted. And he’s played well (with the bat) in recent weeks so deserves his place. I’m still allowed to say he’s played a lot of tests with very little output so far

9 more, but yeah fair enough he didn't do it alone. They did change the entire momentum and ultimately the course of that match though and Buttler was instrumental in that, which is more than Burns has done in any of his Tests so far, frankly.

Yes of course you can say that, doesn't mean it's particularly fair or accurate, though.

 

[brandon]

Hopefully the tour to India goes ahead in the winter (5 test series I think) that will test the quirky techniques of some of our batsmen and actually how good our bowling attack is. The Indians have a decent pace attack themselves so they may not even prepare dust bowls.

We’ll get f***ing mullered in India.

Our batting isn’t good enough and our spin options are wank.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

9 more, but yeah fair enough he didn't do it alone. They did change the entire momentum and ultimately the course of that match though and Buttler was instrumental in that, which is more than Burns has done in any of his Tests so far, frankly.

Yes of course you can say that, doesn't mean it's particularly fair or accurate, though.

About from Burns having scored 2 tons? Including 133 in the Ashes?