June to July 2020 - NUFC

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Grilled Reuben said:
As toon sup[porter I'll just come out and say it .. I dont want Bentitez back under any circumstances. He's the emporers new clothes. He has a fantastic CV success and trophy wise but the football under him was awful. As Newcastle manager the common misconception was that he was working miracles. Bruce has proven that he wasnt, and that any average manager could have 'achieved' what Benitez did.

He went to China simply for the money (anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded .. he didnt go for the football, lifestyle or culture). Bruce came in and fair play to him has played the cards he was dealt pretty well. I have no beef with him. Is he the answer? No ... hes an average joe.. Neither is Benitez the answer, who is a bit of a dinosaur in football terms. The games moved on and he hasnt.

Should the fabled takeover happen any new owner would and should want to bring in his own man. I just hope it isnt either of the two managers discussed.
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Father Jack Hackett said:
They trebled his wage, tax-free. Come on man, you don't seriously think he would have stayed with you if Ashley had agreed to give him £100m in transfer funds, do you?
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I honestly believe that if Ashley had made assurances about where the transfer power lies, and committed to improving the facilities, (and Benitez had believed him), Benitez would have stayed. £100m kitty or no.
 
The Fish said:
That's not true. Results and League position show that results haven't been worse, and that those results have delivered this league position. They don't necessarily give a full picture of performances. Performance metrics give a better picture of performances. e.g. Newcastle could play shit, be absolutely battered and fluke a massively deflected own goal to give them the win. Liverpool could absolutely batter a team, entertain the crowd for 90 minutes, and pepper the goal with shots, but the 'keeper has a worldy and they only get the draw.
Your way of judging a performance says Newcastle performed better.
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Performances mean fuck all.

What matters is winning. Bentiezs nufc played shite there performances were also poor.

All your doing is talking in cliche and statistics which you are interpreting incorrectly.

Bruce will eventually get worse at NUFC as he is a poor manager.

There is zero evidence that he has performed poorly this season. You are providing nothing but speculation. The hard facts are Bruce is set to outperform Bentiez with a weaker side than Bentiez had last season.
 
Banks said:
Performances mean fuck all.

What matters is winning. Bentiezs nufc played shite there performances were also poor.

All your doing is talking in cliche and statistics which you are interpreting incorrectly.

Bruce will eventually get worse at NUFC as he is a poor manager.

There is zero evidence that he has performed poorly this season. You are providing nothing but speculation. The hard facts are Bruce is set to outperform Bentiez with a weaker side than Bentiez had last season.
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Performances fundamentally mean more than fuck all. You're just being ornery. If you're playing badly, results will soon drop off. This is so f***ing obvious it shouldn't need stating, but apparently it does.

How am I interpreting statistics incorrectly? we're worse in chances made, goals scored, chances allowed, goals conceded, more saves made etc. How is that interpreting the stats incorrectly? It's simply stating them.

I haven't said he's performed badly, I've said that the team's defence has performed worse. Which is as plain as the nose on your face, even before the statistics are brought in to validate the claim.

The hard facts are that Bruce's Newcastle look set to finish with more points in the 19/20 Premier League season, than Benitez' Newcastle side got in 18/19.
Father Jack Hackett said:
and pass up the chance to instantly treble his wage, tax free?
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Yes. It's not like he's short a bob or two already. Also, he was on a good wage here too, remember?
 
The Fish said:
Performances fundamentally mean more than fuck all. You're just being ornery. If you're playing badly, results will soon drop off. This is so f***ing obvious it shouldn't need stating, but apparently it does.

How am I interpreting statistics incorrectly? we're worse in chances made, goals scored, chances allowed, goals conceded, more saves made etc. How is that interpreting the stats incorrectly? It's simply stating them.

I haven't said he's performed badly, I've said that the team's defence has performed worse. Which is as plain as the nose on your face, even before the statistics are brought in to validate the claim.

The hard facts are that Bruce's Newcastle look set to finish with more points in the 19/20 Premier League season, than Benitez' Newcastle side got in 18/19.

Yes. It's not like he's short a bob or two already. Also, he was on a good wage here too, remember?
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You've been completely taken-in by him. You honestly think his love of "Toons" would have seen him pass-up that sort of coin?

Mental.
 
The Fish said:
Performances fundamentally mean more than fuck all. You're just being ornery. If you're playing badly, results will soon drop off. This is so f***ing obvious it shouldn't need stating, but apparently it does.

How am I interpreting statistics incorrectly? we're worse in chances made, goals scored, chances allowed, goals conceded, more saves made etc. How is that interpreting the stats incorrectly? It's simply stating them.

I haven't said he's performed badly, I've said that the team's defence has performed worse. Which is as plain as the nose on your face, even before the statistics are brought in to validate the claim.

The hard facts are that Bruce's Newcastle look set to finish with more points in the 19/20 Premier League season, than Benitez' Newcastle side got in 18/19.

Yes. It's not like he's short a bob or two already. Also, he was on a good wage here too, remember?
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Yes because the sign of champions is playing badly yet winning that isn't a famous saying at all.

Performances only matter when results are not happening. You are getting results.

So what kind of chances have you made? Care to point out the source you are using that breaks down a comparison of

Where you chances are created from?
Goals are conceded from?
Saves made from yard distance ?

Or could it be your looking at a general stat and placing importance on it because you have an agenda.
 
The Fish said:
7 games to play where this club could easily ship more than 5 goals, hell we could ship 5 goals in one match, again. And I specifically said that the performances are significantly worse, which they have been.



A deal he took after it was clear that NUFC and he couldn't come to an agreement. Can't blame him really.
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In your opinion
 
Father Jack Hackett said:
Why was he going to turn that money down then?
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Premier League remains one of the best leagues in the world to manage a team in.
All his familial ties are in England
He'd started the job at Newcastle and obviously has plans in mind of how to take Newcastle further, not just on the pitch, but off it too.
And yes, the support of the Newcastle fans was something he clearly enjoyed.

However, it's all moot because Ashley didn't want to concede transfer control to him, didn't want to put money into the infrastructure of the club, and has little ambition beyond Premier League survival.
 
The Fish said:
Premier League remains one of the best leagues in the world to manage a team in.
All his familial ties are in England
He'd started the job at Newcastle and obviously has plans in mind of how to take Newcastle further, not just on the pitch, but off it too.
And yes, the support of the Newcastle fans was something he clearly enjoyed.

However, it's all moot because Ashley didn't want to concede transfer control to him, didn't want to put money into the infrastructure of the club, and has little ambition beyond Premier League survival.
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You're like the Moonies some of you
 
Banks said:
Yes because the sign of champions is playing badly yet winning that isn't a famous saying at all.

Performances only matter when results are not happening. You are getting results.

So what kind of chances have you made? Care to point out the source you are using that breaks down a comparison of

Where you chances are created from?
Goals are conceded from?
Saves made from yard distance ?

Or could it be your looking at a general stat and placing importance on it because you have an agenda.
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We're a long way short of being champions, but I admire your faith in Newcastle and Steve Bruce. Playing badly for potential champions means going to tough grounds, playing beneath themselves and getting a win. Playing badly for relegation/midtable sides means getting a shoeing from good teams and in the 90+ minutes getting 2 wholly unwarranted goals to equalise. Big difference.

I use loads of sources, Understat, Whoscored, soccerstats, transfermarkt, footcharts, football analysis twitter accounts like experimental361, attackingcb etc.
 
The Fish said:
We're a long way short of being champions, but I admire your faith in Newcastle and Steve Bruce. Playing badly for potential champions means going to tough grounds, playing beneath themselves and getting a win. Playing badly for relegation/midtable sides means getting a shoeing from good teams and in the 90+ minutes getting 2 wholly unwarranted goals to equalise. Big difference.

I use loads of sources, Understat, Whoscored, soccerstats, transfermarkt, footcharts, football analysis twitter accounts like experimental361, attackingcb etc.
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What about the stat of Rafa not winning a game last season until November !!

Sorry mate !!
 
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