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June to July 2020 - NUFC

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The Fish said:
? Extend it, what the fuck are you dribbling about? Had he been appointed 2 games earlier, after the Chelsea mauling and before the break he would have had 12 games to rescue the season.

Firstly, Thauvin? :lol:

Secondly, you wanna list the whole squads? and compare them side by side and contextualise those comparisons, because I'm more than happy to oblige.
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Thauvin the kid playing for Marseille and France, aye or is he shit and not the managers fault they couldn't get a tune out of him
 
Secret Visage said:
:lol:

It's NEVER Rafa's fault, that he failed, according to most of you lot.
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Did you not see that I literally said I don't disagree that he'd have been disappointed that he failed to keep us up?
leerik_canamole said:
Thauvin the kid playing for Marseille and France, aye or is he shit and not the managers fault they couldn't get a tune out of him
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He couldn't perform in the Premier League. Didn't want to be at Newcastle and only performed when he returned to France.
 
The Fish said:
? Extend it, what the fuck are you dribbling about? Had he been appointed 2 games earlier, after the Chelsea mauling and before the break he would have had 12 games to rescue the season.

Firstly, Thauvin? :lol:

Secondly, you wanna list the whole squads? and compare them side by side and contextualise those comparisons, because I'm more than happy to oblige.
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Thauvin is quality, mate
 
Tiote said:
Okay then. After spending almost £70,000,000 (fact) Bruce has the same amount of points this season that Benitez did at this stage last season (fact), with a vastly worse goal difference (fact).

Therefore, it is a fact that Bruce has performed worse than Benitez. Debate over, by your own logic.

And again, this isn't pro Benitez, it's anti-Bruce. It's amazing how the narrative about Bruce has changed on here over the years - check the threads in the first few posts in my post history, and you lads are saying the exact same things that you're now arguing against.
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The only fact you got right was the GD so how is the debate over? 🤔

Benitez after most teams were on 31 games. He also lost the next 2 games and GD went to -12 and it took 35 games to get more points than Bruce currently has after 31)
2018-19 P31 W9 D8 L14 F31 A40 Pts35 GD-9
Position 14th
Points away from relegation: 7
Points from 7th: 9

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Bruce after all teams played 31 games
2019-20 P31 W10 D9 L12 F29 A42 Pts39 GD-13
Position 13th
Points away from relegation: 12
Points from 7th: 6

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I forgot that the season before, Benitez had exactly the results giveing the same points and goals after 31 games. Though this time they were in 12th.

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Millhouse said:
I’ve watched quite a lot of French football and if a mid-level premier league team had him, they’d build a team around him.
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There’s been countless good players from overseas who for some reason don’t cut it here. It’s a non starter of an argument to say that because somebody can do it in one league he’s guaranteed to perform here. It simply doesn’t work like that.
 
mad cyril said:
There’s been countless good players from overseas who for some reason don’t cut it here. It’s a non starter of an argument to say that because somebody can do it in one league he’s guaranteed to perform here. It simply doesn’t work like that.
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I agree but he barely played in England and under two negative managers. Under the right management, I think he’d do really well.
 
The Fish said:
? Extend it, what the fuck are you dribbling about? Had he been appointed 2 games earlier, after the Chelsea mauling and before the break he would have had 12 games to rescue the season.

Firstly, Thauvin? :lol:

Secondly, you wanna list the whole squads? and compare them side by side and contextualise those comparisons, because I'm more than happy to oblige.
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Embarrassing yourself here. Thauvin would walk into your current side 😂
 
Millhouse said:
I agree but he barely played in England and under two negative managers. Under the right management, I think he’d do really well.
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Sometimes players just aren’t cut out for here. Look at Verón at Man U, couldn’t have a better manager than Ferguson and he flopped. Maybe Thauvan could have shown more under different managers, we’ll never know, but he showed absolutely nothing when he was here. Fair play to the lad though for going on to have a very good career back home.
Banks said:
Embarrassing yourself here. Thauvin would walk into your current side 😂
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That doesn’t make sense. Why would he walk into our team now which is comfortably safe yet couldn’t ‘walk into’ a side that got renegades ?
mad cyril said:
Sometimes players just aren’t cut out for here. Look at Verón at Man U, couldn’t have a better manager than Ferguson and he flopped. Maybe Thauvan could have shown more under different managers, we’ll never know, but he showed absolutely nothing when he was here. Fair play to the lad though for going on to have a very good career back home.


That doesn’t make sense. Why would he walk into our team now which is comfortably safe yet couldn’t ‘walk into’ a side that got relegated ?
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mad cyril said:
Sometimes players just aren’t cut out for here. Look at Verón at Man U, couldn’t have a better manager than Ferguson and he flopped. Maybe Thauvan could have shown more under different managers, we’ll never know, but he showed absolutely nothing when he was here. Fair play to the lad though for going on to have a very good career back home.
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mad cyril said:
Sometimes players just aren’t cut out for here. Look at Verón at Man U, couldn’t have a better manager than Ferguson and he flopped. Maybe Thauvan could have shown more under different managers, we’ll never know, but he showed absolutely nothing when he was here. Fair play to the lad though for going on to have a very good career back home.


That doesn’t make sense. Why would he walk into our team now which is comfortably safe yet couldn’t ‘walk into’ a side that got renegades ?
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Well which is it? McClaren was a mess or he wasn't?

Your telling me he couldn't dislodge Almiron? Deary me 😂
 
mad cyril said:
Sometimes players just aren’t cut out for here. Look at Verón at Man U, couldn’t have a better manager than Ferguson and he flopped. Maybe Thauvan could have shown more under different managers, we’ll never know, but he showed absolutely nothing when he was here. Fair play to the lad though for going on to have a very good career back home.


That doesn’t make sense. Why would he walk into our team now which is comfortably safe yet couldn’t ‘walk into’ a side that got renegades ?
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i already agreed with that point.

I’d say the style of play was equally important than the coach(Moyes got the best out of players once).
I know Benitez is often criticised for his man-management, so that could have been a factor(equally he seemingly got the best out of Townsend).
 
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