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June to July 2020 - NUFC

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How much they lord over Benitez is hilarious. If he was called Ralph Benitez they would of hounded him out. The job he did there was average as fuck as Steve Bruce is showing
 

mad cyril said:
Did you think that we’d ( NUFC ) be relegated under Bruce ? If so are you man enough to admit you underestimated him ?

Benitez most points in season for us was 45. If Bruce achieves another 7 points from the remaining 7 games will you admit he’s done a better job than his predecessor?
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In that circumstance I'd be willing to conceed that he'd continued the job adequately, with a caveat that next season would be more relevant as he fixes more of his own grip on the team. My concern with Bruce would always be the ceiling of the club under him, his record suggests that he'll always take a club backwards given time.
 
Banks said:
Yes because safc fans think the same 😂

League position not points is what matters to me

Only thig that matters is premier League. Scoring Vs Rochdale is not producing 😂
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So if Newcastle finish with more points this season, but lower league position than last, will you concede Bruce has done a worse job than Benitez?
Binxy said:
Get a life.
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:lol: the retort of a beaten man.
 
Tiote said:
You absolutely can compare the two, you just don't want to because it doesn't suit your narrative :lol: why can't we use net spend/players-sold, when the players-sold argument is used to defend Bruce ("he lost Rondon and Perez etc etc")?

7th place is hardly outstanding. It was, however, excellent given where you were when he took over. 10-13th place is hardly outstanding either, it was however, excellent compared to where we were in terms of trajectory when the dutch numptee left.

The parallels between early Reid and Benitez's time at Newcastle are actually pretty stark, if you look at it from an unbiased angle.
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They aren't at all
 
The Fish said:
So if Newcastle finish with more points this season, but lower league position than last, will you concede Bruce has done a worse job than Benitez?

:lol: the retort of a beaten man.
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No because of the following.

A. Joelinton wasn't a Bruce signing he was long being touted for you lot when Rafa was there.

B. He lost two of your main scorers

3. Benitez did worse in his first 12 months.
 
Banks said:
No because of the following.

A. Joelinton wasn't a Bruce signing he was long being touted for you lot when Rafa was there.

B. He lost two of your main scorers

3. Benitez did worse in his first 12 months.
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Haddup sonny Jim, any time there's context applied to Benitez' time it's dismissed out of hand.

A. Joelinton's signing was signed off by Bruce. He's had plenty of time to realise he's not a targetman and cannot play that way, yet still he persists with that.
B. He's got a massive upgrade in attacking midfield in the shape of ASM, and he's inherited a good defence
C. If we're applying context, Benitez inherited a mess from McClaren, had to fix that, then had to organise a team to get immediate promotion back to the Premier League, which he did.
 
I just see Almiron as being very fast, but with limited ability. Joelinton is a bit like Almiron but without the speed. £60,000,000 oh dear me.
 
Tiote said:
In that circumstance I'd be willing to conceed that he'd continued the job adequately, with a caveat that next season would be more relevant as he fixes more of his own grip on the team. My concern with Bruce would always be the ceiling of the club under him, his record suggests that he'll always take a club backwards given time.
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99% of managers take clubs backwards over time, hence why they eventually get sacked.

If Bruce Reaches 46 points he has undoubtedly progressed the club with a worse side ( imo ) than last season and with only 3 weeks pre season with them.

Next season he’ll have to do it all again ( if he’s here ) and he’ll know that. For me though, the reluctance of many fans to admit he’s done a decent job so far is staggering.
 
The Fish said:
Haddup sonny Jim, any time there's context applied to Benitez' time it's dismissed out of hand.

A. Joelinton's signing was signed off by Bruce. He's had plenty of time to realise he's not a targetman and cannot play that way, yet still he persists with that.
B. He's got a massive upgrade in attacking midfield in the shape of ASM, and he's inherited a good defence
C. If we're applying context, Benitez inherited a mess from McClaren, got relegated, then had to organise a team to get immediate promotion back to the Premier League, which he did.
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Tidied for accuracy.
 
The Fish said:
Haddup sonny Jim, any time there's context applied to Benitez' time it's dismissed out of hand.

A. Joelinton's signing was signed off by Bruce. He's had plenty of time to realise he's not a targetman and cannot play that way, yet still he persists with that.
B. He's got a massive upgrade in attacking midfield in the shape of ASM, and he's inherited a good defence
C. If we're applying context, Benitez inherited a mess from McClaren, had to fix that, then had to organise a team to get immediate promotion back to the Premier League, which he did.
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Benitez first job was to secure survival but he failed to do it. We all no he was left a mess by mclaren but he has to take accountability for failing to beat Norwich, Sunderland and Villa. One win and we’re safe. He’ll be disappointed with that and will know he should have done better.
 
mad cyril said:
Benitez first job was to secure survival but he failed to do it. We all no he was left a mess by mclaren but he has to take accountability for failing to beat Norwich, Sunderland and Villa. One win and we’re safe. He’ll be disappointed with that and will know he should have done better.
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Don't disagree. A fixture or two more against Stoke and/or Bournemouth and we would have stayed up, of that I'm convinced.
 
The Fish said:
Haddup sonny Jim, any time there's context applied to Benitez' time it's dismissed out of hand.

A. Joelinton's signing was signed off by Bruce. He's had plenty of time to realise he's not a targetman and cannot play that way, yet still he persists with that.
B. He's got a massive upgrade in attacking midfield in the shape of ASM, and he's inherited a good defence
C. If we're applying context, Benitez inherited a mess from McClaren, had to fix that, then had to organise a team to get immediate promotion back to the Premier League, which he did.
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Aye Benitez inherited a mess compared Bruce

Collocini
Janmaat
Wijnaldum
Sissoko
Tiote
Thauvin
Cisse
Perez
Mitrovic

Complete mess compared to what Benitez left you with

Manquillo
Hayden
Almiron
Clark
Yedlin
Mutu
Murphy

Well played Rafa
 
Secret Visage said:
Extend the season to suit Rafa, oh do fuck off :lol:
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? Extend it, what the fuck are you dribbling about? Had he been appointed 2 games earlier, after the Chelsea mauling and before the break he would have had 12 games to rescue the season.
leerik_canamole said:
Aye Benitez inherited a mess compared Bruce

Collocini
Janmaat
Wijnaldum
Sissoko
Tiote
Thauvin
Cisse
Perez
Mitrovic

Complete mess compared to what Benitez left you with

Manquillo
Hayden
Almiron
Clark
Yedlin
Mutu
Murphy

Well played Rafa
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Firstly, Thauvin? :lol:

Secondly, you wanna list the whole squads? and compare them side by side and contextualise those comparisons, because I'm more than happy to oblige.
 
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