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Black Lives Matter

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themanagersnot2blame said:
Why do you need to be proud to be British? Would you be ashamed to be Canadian, Hungarian, Kenyan or Brazilian?
You are who you are, you were born British (or were made so via an application) it’s not an achievement - why would you be proud of something you are by default and haven’t done anything to achieve. Are you proud to have brown hair, blue eyes, a birth mark on your shoulder?
My take on pride is that in order for it to have any real meaning there would need to be an opposite outcome that you have managed to avoid whereby you would feel shame if you hadn’t.
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There is like zero logic here mind.
Being proud to be British doesn't mean you would be ashamed to be Canadian.
If a black person is proud to be black he is not saying he would be ashamed to be white.
If I am proud to be my fathers son it doesn't mean i would be ashamed to be the son of someone else.
If it's ok to be a proud Nigerian it's got to be ok to be a proud Englishman.

When someone says "i am proud to be ......." they are simply saying i consider it an honour to be or I feel no shame in the fact.
 
TZMouk said:
Threads like this just go to prove that this board is full of wronguns. If you're spouting nonsense like "All Lives Matter" or "White Lives Matter" after everything that's gone on then you're either thick as fuck, ignorant as fuck, or racist as fuck.
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The Politics forum can be an absolute cesspit like.
 
AndyH said:
There is like zero logic here mind.
Being proud to be British doesn't mean you would be ashamed to be Canadian.
If a black person is proud to be black he is not saying he would be ashamed to be white.
If I am proud to be my fathers son it doesn't mean i would be ashamed to be the son of someone else.
If it's ok to be a proud Nigerian it's got to be ok to be a proud Englishman.

When someone says "i am proud to be ......." they are simply saying i consider it an honour to be or I feel no shame in the fact.
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Pride has no meaning if it’s just a fuzzy feeling about something that just happens to be the case.
How can you be proud of something you just are?
I’m not proud (or ashamed) to be British, my fathers son or white - i just am those things.
 
SAFCOldie said:
Where is it ? We have short lists for jobs that favour minorities ? We have sports stars, actors, presenters, even MPs with a large black contingent? Record numbers of black youngsters at University! And all the while it's white boys that are bottom of the education league table IMSC. All in all the UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, yet this movement is set up as if it's dealing with a comparable issue to the States.
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What is an acceptable level of institutional racism? Just because it’s not as bad as other countries doesn’t make it any less abhorrent here.

Pretty much all empirical data on the subject says BAME citizens face more challenges in life than white people and we have a system where they are still seen as lesser, just look at recent events like the windrush or grenfell scandals

I mean your comments really highlight why there is such a need for the BLM movement
 
woodlebert said:
This video is worth a watch for those debating the matter

You must be logged on to see media items
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It appears a bit sweeping in my opinion.

Try this although I don't agree with everything said.

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Doeboy said:
American coppers kill a lot of people mind
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Even allowing for criminal black gangs you are far more likely to be killed if you are black; 1 in a 1,000 chance if you are black as oppose to 1 in 33,000 chance if you are white. That still seems steep to my eyes.
Coeus said:
What's yours?
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Cannot remember your post so cannot remember what I was countering.
 
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Travis said:
It’s f***ing tiring all this explaining to people about the BLM movement. First of all I thought maybe there were more prejudice in this country than I first imagined but now I’m thinking there’s an equal amount of idiots that either can’t work it out or know shit all about history other than “2 World Wars one World Cup”.
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It's not 19th century racism where people think it's acceptable to say black people are monkeys, or inherently inferior, or call them niggers etc. Its not that very obvious racism, that anybody would call out.

Instead, It's the racism of white people wanting black people to pipe down about their experiences and keeping it to themselves. The racism of when being faced with the choice of listening to black people and educating themselves, or doing fuck all, they would rather the latter. The racism of just wanting all their culture, media, friends, and experiences to be silent about racism and issues of race, while that same silence ensures complicity with and the perpetuation of the rampant experience of racism that POC and black people encounter.

The racism of not wanting black people to be their slaves anymore, but just never to question them or make them feel uncomfortable about anything, at all, and the racism of the immediate ire and antagonism and violence they resort to when that happens.
 
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two left feet said:
Even allowing for criminal black gangs you are far more likely to be killed if you are black; 1 in a 1,000 chance if you are black as oppose to 1 in 33,000 chance if you are white. That still seems steep to my eyes.
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It's a very simplistic way of looking at stats that mind.
where did you get that stat by the way?
 
So I keep hearing stats about bame being under proportionally represented in society. Britain is 90%white, 3%black and the rest other ethnicity.

Let's take football and the premier league who seem to be going all out pushing BLM.

33% of all premiere league players are Black. Do we say that is over represented and make a case for clubs to give young white footballers a better chance at the expense of black footballers ?
Or do we quite rightly say they deserve it because they are better players and more suited for the job ?
 
AndyH said:
It's a very simplistic way of looking at stats that mind.
where did you get that stat by the way?
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think it was a news report - no matter the ultimate accuracy of the quoted figures and even if the white figure were halved it would still be staggering.

Ultimately there is still a staggering amount of racisms in this country, let alone other parts of the world.
 
Mickdundee said:
... because he was black.

He was walking through a gated community visiting his dad’s fiancée and was shot because Zimmerman (whose father was half German and half white American btw) thought he was a “threat”. Why was he a threat? Because a black teenager in a hoodie shouldn’t be in a gated community.
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His father was German, his mother was from peru, notice you left that out. He was part of the neighbourhood watch, he conftonted martin who attecked zimmerman first, and hed the head injurys to prove it. He shot martin in self defence under the stupid florida stand your ground law.
 
rubberface said:
Did i say you did???
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In that case, I have no idea who you were talking to when you were replying to my post and asking me why there had been "outrage" at the banner.

Why are you making up things when you say, without any evidence, "So, people saying white lives don't matter??????"
 
Lanchester said:
In that case, I have no idea who you were talking to when you were replying to my post and asking me why there had been "outrage" at the banner.

Why are you making up things when you say, without any evidence, "So, people saying white lives don't matter??????"
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I said "so, are people saying white lives don't matter?"...get it correct. Ya like a dog with a f***ing bone.
 
themanagersnot2blame said:
Pride has no meaning if it’s just a fuzzy feeling about something that just happens to be the case.
How can you be proud of something you just are?
I’m not proud (or ashamed) to be British, my fathers son or white - i just am those things.
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It's a statement showing that you value those things. I am proud to be my father's son because he was good man and I'm happy to be associated with him. As opposed to I'm ashamed to be my father's son because he was Fred West.
 
two left feet said:
Even allowing for criminal black gangs you are far more likely to be killed if you are black; 1 in a 1,000 chance if you are black as oppose to 1 in 33,000 chance if you are white. That still seems steep to my eyes.


Cannot remember your post so cannot remember what I was countering.
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Suppose the issue is still police brutality.
 
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