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A very powerful moment in British sport

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wev17 said:
Football will not change racism in this country. Football getting more black managers or more black people in the boardroom will do nothing do nothing to tackle systemic racism throughout normal society, will do nothing to help the oppurtunies for black kids in inner cities.

Society has to change racism, not football.
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It most certainly helps. What's the likelihood of 13 year olds becoming racist when Marcus Rashford, Paul Pogba, Mo Salah or Aubameyang are their favourite players?

More or less likely than folk fifty years ago?
 

wev17 said:
Football will not change racism in this country. Football getting more black managers or more black people in the boardroom will do nothing do nothing to tackle systemic racism throughout normal society, will do nothing to help the oppurtunies for black kids in inner cities.

Society has to change racism, not football.
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you are so wrong

so so so so wrong

sport stopped apartheid (it is the only actual effective embargo there has been, cite Cuba cite South Africa...thanks to pesky accountants rich people can afford to circumvent any legislation)

sport supported segregation (cite Ireland and the GAA)
if you tell catholics they play hurling and Protestants they play soccer and they can never play together ever ever... what is that? why even say that? I mean if these people hate each other so bad why do you even have to make it an offence for them to play sport together?
because, when children grow up playing together they don't find it so easy to be stupidly stupid to eachother

That is on a community level, in South Africa they had great athletes, great cricket, great rugby etc the sports embargo because of apartheid meant they could not compete on a global level. This really hurt them. They caved.

this is why Qatar should never have been given the World Cup
Father Jack Hackett said:
I did say we should.kesen from the past mind. I meant, it can't be changed but the present can, with knowledge gleaned from the past.
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I figured you weren't all gone Trump mad and shit ;)
 
CatRyan said:
you are so wrong

so so so so wrong

sport stopped apartheid (it is the only actual effective embargo there has been, cite Cuba cite South Africa...thanks to pesky accountants rich people can afford to circumvent any legislation)

sport supported segregation (cite Ireland and the GAA)
if you tell catholics they play hurling and Protestants they play soccer and they can never play together ever ever... what is that? why even say that? I mean if these people hate each other so bad why do you even have to make it an offence for them to play sport together?
because, when children grow up playing together they don't find it so easy to be stupidly stupid to eachother

That is on a community level, in South Africa they had great athletes, great cricket, great rugby etc the sports embargo because of apartheid meant they could not compete on a global level. This really hurt them. They caved.

this is why Qatar should never have been given the World Cup


I figured you weren't all gone Trump mad and shit ;)
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Lets have it right. We are not South Africa and this is not apartheid. This isn't Catholics and protestants divided by religion either and a lot more than sport solved those issues.

Sport will not root out systemic racism in this country. Nor should it have to. Can it help? Maybe a bit. But a lot of people black or white actually don't care for football.

Look only time will tell, I'm not going to do what you did and start saying "you are so so so wrong" over something neither of us can predict. In the UK sport of course must get its own house in order but I do not believe it players taking a knee, hiring more black managers, pundits talking all night about it will do much to effect systemic racism.
 
wev17 said:
Lets have it right. We are not South Africa and this is not apartheid. This isn't Catholics and protestants divided by religion either and a lot more than sport solved those issues.

Sport will not root out systemic racism in this country. Nor should it have to. Can it help? Maybe a bit. But a lot of people black or white actually don't care for football.

Look only time will tell, I'm not going to do what you did and start saying "you are so so so wrong" over something neither of us can predict. In the UK sport of course must get its own house in order but I do not believe it players taking a knee, hiring more black managers, pundits talking all night about it will do much to effect systemic racism.
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you are wrong in thinking sport doesn't have a voice in this or a place in this fight

Did you see what Rashford did on national policy just in the last few days?

we can not stop people feeling wrong things but Sport as such a powerful voice can show the right path, it can encourage children of all ethnicity and background to play together, cheer together etc
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People who respond with 'all lives matter' are a bit dumb.
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also they could be a striker for us with such an ability to miss the point
 
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CatRyan said:
you are wrong in thinking sport doesn't have a voice in this or a place in this fight

Did you see what Rashford did on national policy just in the last few days?

we can not stop people feeling wrong things but Sport as such a powerful voice can show the right path, it can encourage children of all ethnicity and background to play together, cheer together etc


also they could be a striker for us with such an ability to miss the point
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For clarity I said football and it's effect on the type of racism we need to tackle in this country will in my belief be minimal.
 
wev17 said:
For clarity I said football and it's effect on the type of racism we need to tackle in this country will in my belief be minimal.
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if all it amounts to is the players taking a knee en masse as a ruling for a few games and nothing further then you're right

it has the power to effect much more profound change though
 
wev17 said:
I have no problem with people getting behind a cause like this. It is correct and undoubtedly an issue that needs addressing throughout the world.

However, tonight I wanted to watch football. I wanted to hear the pundits talk about football. Nothing but football. We haven't had it for months. All we have had is the pandemic and protests, if I want to hear about them again I'll put sky news on. Not sky sports.

Yes football should highlight it, but no more. Football is football. It is entertainment ffs.
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The opposite side to that argument is when a black player gets racial abuse when they just wanted to play football. Or someone in the street etc.

Footballers are role models to lots of kids and some adults. By them doing this it may not help to change older generations but it will help with younger generations.
 
Did any player of the Premier League do anything 2016 when the police actually killed an ex black footballer who actually played in the premier league, Dalian Atkinson?
 
Father Jack Hackett said:
Taking the knee in their sweat shop made boots, kits made by companies whose founders were National Socialists, in a stadium owned by a country where human rights aren't on the agenda and slavery is still prevalent.
Aye lads, you crack on with your shows of virtue.
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Some good points made here
 
StrangerThings said:
Why are people so against the Black Lives Matter campaign? Can people tell me why it bothers them so much?
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I agree with the 3 words themselves - black lives do matter & I support equality.

However, the organisation behind it is a bit more sinister. Have a look on their gofundme page - they want to abolish the police and want to bring down the existing system (without a feasible suggestion for an alternative).


By getting "black lives matter" on each of the player's shirts the premier league are now deemed to be supporting this, not sure how they'll square that when crowds return and police are needed.

I'd rather they had "kick racism out" on the back of their shirts than "black lives matter"
 
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Gazillionaire empty headed morons kneeling and raising black panther fists...now waiting for the PR snakes to inform them of the next high-profile cause they must support.....

Completely shallow and meaningless isn't it? That's what sticks in my craw. Incomparable with the bravery and principled stance of Colin Kaapernick. Where were they all when he had his career severed at the knees? Wasn't high profile enough in our media for them to give a shiny shite.......
 
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