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March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

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Sima said:
I mean, I could mention at this point that Steve Bruce got Sunderland to tenth which is way higher than the generally-lauded Sam Allardyce.

You can paint a reasonably different picture if you ignore significant chunks of context.
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That would also ignore the millions more Bruce had (and wasted)
 
Sima said:
I mean, I could mention at this point that Steve Bruce got Sunderland to tenth which is way higher than the generally-lauded Sam Allardyce.

You can paint a reasonably different picture if you ignore significant chunks of context.
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allardyce didn’t have a full season but you know that :rolleyes:
 
Frankel said:
I am aware of spending money on shite, but I’ve never once bemoaned Ellis Short spending money, I bemoaned the fact he had useless bastards running the club. The stick Ashley seems to be beat with is he puts no money in the club. He arguably saved your club from doing a Leeds but has been absolutely hounded since.
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One of the sticks that Ashley gets hit with is that he doesn't invest when it's wise to. e.g. Pardew somehow managed 5th, we had money in the bank and that summer we signed Vurnon Anita, subsequently the season that followed was a relegation scrap. Ashley could have written off the debt (as Short did), or worked on commercial income for the club's benefit.

As a club Newcastle enjoyed an inflated decade when Sir John Hall invested a lot of money in. You have to admit that some of your fans now expect regular European finishes and that some of them feel entitled to it?
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Some fans might, some fans expect us to be relegated every season. Most fans I know, and most fans online seem not to exist at these extremes. Unsurprisingly.

You must almost admit that a lot of Newcastle fans have a view that Sunderland are essentially shit (Sunderland’s a massive club chant etc).
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I do admit that. The majority of my life (I'm 38) Sunderland have finished below Newcastle. My experiences of Newcastle include title challenges, European competitions, cup finals, comfortable midtable finishes, and only a few seasons out of the top flight. My experiences of Sunderland; usually finishing below us, not playing in Europe, not challenging for the title, spending a good few seasons out of the top flight, the seasons you were in the top flight spent in the bottom half. All of these experiences do paint a picture of Sunderland AFC as a bit shit.

And of course I'm biased and forget the dross years for us and emphasise the bad years for you, but I hope you see that it's an understandable POV. If I was perhaps older and saw you be more successful, or if I was younger and hadn't seen us challenge for the title, or play in the Champions League, saw more of us in lower leagues, maybe I wouldn't hold this view.

The rivalry will always paint the opposition as shit, how often do you see people insist on here that our players are shit, our manager is shit, our stadium is shit, our city is a shithole etc. It's daft tribalism. Which is fine. It's when you see people twisting themselves in knots to try and dismiss achievements, or downplay history or whatever. There's plenty of shit to throw at both clubs, and plenty to celebrate without fabricating made up shit.

I've said "shit" a lot.
And said a lot of shit.
 
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ferryhill mackem said:
is this the same Rafa that spent £50m more than Pardew in less time and on less players?
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I mean you're wilfully ignoring the massive explosion in transfer fees that happened between those periods but aye, if you want.
mr chuckles said:
Wtf do you keep going round in circles on here you must have had the same conversations dozens of times yet you still log on to go over the same old shite f***ing hell man
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I didn't bring it up first, flower.

I'm just eagerly anticpating the forensic analysis of the closing stages of the 2015/16 season tbh.
 
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